tail numbers and countries of registration

[William Hung[_2_]]

If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it registered
in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
:

> If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it registered
> in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
> characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> Wil

YV is Venezuala I think. Might be Burma, though. I think most that have
numbers in the reg after the hyphen are oriental.
There would be loads of places on the net you could find that I would bet.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
:

> If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it registered
> in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
> characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> Wil

Found one

http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm

A sim site!

Barf!

Anyhow, it's Venezuala.


Bertie

[Marty Shapiro]

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote in
:

> William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
> :
>
>> If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it registered
>> in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
>> characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>>
>> Wil
>
> Found one
>
> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>
> A sim site!
>
> Barf!
>
> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>
>
> Bertie

Wikipedia has a list of country codes for just about any official code
referring to a country at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_codes

The codes include aircraft registration codes, airport prefex codes,
international direct dialing code, ITU maritime codes, and more.

This page also has pointers to specific codes. For aircraft identifier
prefixes you can go directly to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_registration

The ICAO will SELL you online access to their data base for US $300 per
year.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Robert M. Gary]

On Feb 24, 8:13*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
> :
>
> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. *What country is it registered
> > in? *Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
> > characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> > Wil
>
> Found one
>
> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>
> A sim site!
>
> Barf!
>
> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>
> Bertie


The other day I saw a new Citation Mustang parked at the airport. The
seats still had the plastic on them. The number was "OK", which
apparently is Czech Republic.
My home field in California doesn't have a "K" number. When I fly
direct to Canada I have to tell them I'm actually departing from a
different airport just to make their computer happy.

-Robert

[akjcbkJA]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 24, 8:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
> :
>
> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it registered
> > in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
> > characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> > Wil
>
> Found one
>
> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>
> A sim site!
>
> Barf!
>
> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>
> Bertie


The other day I saw a new Citation Mustang parked at the airport. The
seats still had the plastic on them. The number was "OK", which
apparently is Czech Republic.
My home field in California doesn't have a "K" number. When I fly
direct to Canada I have to tell them I'm actually departing from a
different airport just to make their computer happy.

-Robert

One of the newest tail number prefixes is M which stands for the Isle of Man
Useful for personalised tail numbers like M-IKEY

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"akjcbkJA" > wrote in
:

>
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> news:b894ef09-8c19-422c-b84a-fc421b71ea70@
41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com..
> . On Feb 24, 8:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote in
>> news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
>> :
>>
>> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it
>> > registered in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what
>> > leading tail characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>>
>> > Wil
>>
>> Found one
>>
>> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>>
>> A sim site!
>>
>> Barf!
>>
>> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> The other day I saw a new Citation Mustang parked at the airport. The
> seats still had the plastic on them. The number was "OK", which
> apparently is Czech Republic.
> My home field in California doesn't have a "K" number. When I fly
> direct to Canada I have to tell them I'm actually departing from a
> different airport just to make their computer happy.
>
> -Robert
>
> One of the newest tail number prefixes is M which stands for the Isle
> of Man Useful for personalised tail numbers like M-IKEY
>

Really? They got a divorce?
That had to be the quietest war of independence in history!


Bertie
>

[xyzzy]

On Feb 25, 2:33 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> "akjcbkJA" > wrote :
>
>
>
> > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> > news:b894ef09-8c19-422c-b84a-fc421b71ea70@
>
> 41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com..
>
>
>
> > . On Feb 24, 8:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
> >> :
>
> >> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it
> >> > registered in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what
> >> > leading tail characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> >> > Wil
>
> >> Found one
>
> >>http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>
> >> A sim site!
>
> >> Barf!
>
> >> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > The other day I saw a new Citation Mustang parked at the airport. The
> > seats still had the plastic on them. The number was "OK", which
> > apparently is Czech Republic.
> > My home field in California doesn't have a "K" number. When I fly
> > direct to Canada I have to tell them I'm actually departing from a
> > different airport just to make their computer happy.
>
> > -Robert
>
> > One of the newest tail number prefixes is M which stands for the Isle
> > of Man Useful for personalised tail numbers like M-IKEY
>
> Really? They got a divorce?
> That had to be the quietest war of independence in history!

No, they're still together.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

xyzzy > wrote in
:

> On Feb 25, 2:33 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> "akjcbkJA" > wrote
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
>> > news:b894ef09-8c19-422c-b84a-fc421b71ea70@
>>
>> 41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com..
>>
>>
>>
>> > . On Feb 24, 8:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> >> news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
>> >> :
>>
>> >> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it
>> >> > registered in? Is there a site that shows which country gets
>> >> > what leading tail characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>>
>> >> > Wil
>>
>> >> Found one
>>
>> >>http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>>
>> >> A sim site!
>>
>> >> Barf!
>>
>> >> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > The other day I saw a new Citation Mustang parked at the airport.
>> > The seats still had the plastic on them. The number was "OK", which
>> > apparently is Czech Republic.
>> > My home field in California doesn't have a "K" number. When I fly
>> > direct to Canada I have to tell them I'm actually departing from a
>> > different airport just to make their computer happy.
>>
>> > -Robert
>>
>> > One of the newest tail number prefixes is M which stands for the
>> > Isle of Man Useful for personalised tail numbers like M-IKEY
>>
>> Really? They got a divorce?
>> That had to be the quietest war of independence in history!
>
> No, they're still together.

OK, but why the seperate reg?

Bertie

[Robert M. Gary]

On Feb 26, 12:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> OK, but why the seperate reg?
>
> Bertie

Like Alaska?

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On Feb 24, 8:13*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
> :
>
> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. *What country is it registered
> > in? *Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
> > characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> > Wil
>
> Found one
>
> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>

Why does it say Mexico is in Central America?

-Robert

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:1642e551-7c7c-494a-bcb6-
:

> On Feb 24, 8:13*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
>> :
>>
>> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. *What country is it registered
>
>> > in? *Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
>> > characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>>
>> > Wil
>>
>> Found one
>>
>> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>>
>
> Why does it say Mexico is in Central America?
>

Why are you asking me? Maybe they;re trying to distance themselves or maybe
it was written by Shrub.


Bertie

[xyzzy]

On Feb 26, 4:40 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> xyzzy > wrote :
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 2:33 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> "akjcbkJA" > wrote
> >> :
>
> >> > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> >> > news:b894ef09-8c19-422c-b84a-fc421b71ea70@
>
> >> 41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com..
>
> >> > . On Feb 24, 8:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
> >> >> news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
> >> >> :
>
> >> >> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it
> >> >> > registered in? Is there a site that shows which country gets
> >> >> > what leading tail characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> >> >> > Wil
>
> >> >> Found one
>
> >> >>http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>
> >> >> A sim site!
>
> >> >> Barf!
>
> >> >> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>
> >> >> Bertie
>
> >> > The other day I saw a new Citation Mustang parked at the airport.
> >> > The seats still had the plastic on them. The number was "OK", which
> >> > apparently is Czech Republic.
> >> > My home field in California doesn't have a "K" number. When I fly
> >> > direct to Canada I have to tell them I'm actually departing from a
> >> > different airport just to make their computer happy.
>
> >> > -Robert
>
> >> > One of the newest tail number prefixes is M which stands for the
> >> > Isle of Man Useful for personalised tail numbers like M-IKEY
>
> >> Really? They got a divorce?
> >> That had to be the quietest war of independence in history!
>
> > No, they're still together.
>
> OK, but why the seperate reg?
>
> Bertie

Looks like a continuation of one of IoM's key industries -- providing
tax shelters for wealthy people:

http://iomblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/isle-of-mans-new-aircraft-registry.html

Geared toward private jets, fees promised to be lower than Europe,
more "user-friendly", etc.

[[email protected]]

On Feb 24, 9:02 pm, William Hung > wrote:
> If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it registered
> in? Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
> characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> Wil

Funny story to tell. I was on a long cross-country trip as an
instructor several years ago, from here in Canada down through MT, ID,
UT, and NV to AZ. I was in a 180, the others were in a 182 and a
couple of 172s. The American controllers, used to the "November one
two three Kilo" thing, had more than a little difficulty with our
Canadian call signs. The 180, as an example, was C-FIAC. Try that
phonetically.
As we transited Salt Lake to Provo, the controller, a woman, did
something like this after I called in north of the city:

Click. "Canadian Charlie Foxtrot Indie Alphia Charl..." Click.
Click. "Canadian Charlia Foxtrot India Alphia..." Click.
Click. "Canadian Foxtrot Charlie Alpha Indie..." Click.
Click. Much laughter by other controllers heard in background tower
noise. Frustration and embarrassment evident in her voice. "Canadian
180, proceed on course east of the highway."

Dan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

xyzzy > wrote in
:

> On Feb 26, 4:40 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> xyzzy > wrote
>> innews:52c42561-1a26-43c4-a3cc-4481d7d868c1
@d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.co
>> m:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 25, 2:33 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> "akjcbkJA" > wrote
>> >> :
>>
>> >> > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
>> >> > news:b894ef09-8c19-422c-b84a-fc421b71ea70@
>>
>> >> 41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com..
>>
>> >> > . On Feb 24, 8:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> >> >> William Hung > wrote in
>> >> >> news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
>> >> >> :
>>
>> >> >> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. What country is it
>> >> >> > registered in? Is there a site that shows which country gets
>> >> >> > what leading tail characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>>
>> >> >> > Wil
>>
>> >> >> Found one
>>
>> >> >>http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>>
>> >> >> A sim site!
>>
>> >> >> Barf!
>>
>> >> >> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>>
>> >> >> Bertie
>>
>> >> > The other day I saw a new Citation Mustang parked at the
>> >> > airport. The seats still had the plastic on them. The number was
>> >> > "OK", which apparently is Czech Republic.
>> >> > My home field in California doesn't have a "K" number. When I
>> >> > fly direct to Canada I have to tell them I'm actually departing
>> >> > from a different airport just to make their computer happy.
>>
>> >> > -Robert
>>
>> >> > One of the newest tail number prefixes is M which stands for the
>> >> > Isle of Man Useful for personalised tail numbers like M-IKEY
>>
>> >> Really? They got a divorce?
>> >> That had to be the quietest war of independence in history!
>>
>> > No, they're still together.
>>
>> OK, but why the seperate reg?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Looks like a continuation of one of IoM's key industries -- providing
> tax shelters for wealthy people:
>
> http://iomblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/isle-of-mans-new-aircraft-
registry.
> html
>
> Geared toward private jets, fees promised to be lower than Europe,
> more "user-friendly", etc.
>

A-ha.. I'd say there would be a market for that. Private flying is nutso
expensive in Europe.
They have another cool rule. No speed limits except in towns.
Nutcase bikers form all over converge on the place just to drive as fast
as they can.
As long as they can.


Bertie

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-02-27, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> A-ha.. I'd say there would be a market for that. Private flying is nutso
> expensive in Europe.

The other reason is that the N-reg is falling out of favour: aircraft
with the N reg are finding themselves unwelcome in more places these
days, especially in Africa and the middle East. So jet owners not US
based but who used the N reg are starting to convert.

If you have a Manx based plane you can register it whatever it is, so
long as it has a CofA. I went to the meeting they had at Ronaldsway. I
had to pinch myself to convince myself I wasn't dreaming - aviation
regulators who were actually trying to make things easier, and make
things happen, and make things less expensive. For example, *ALL* of my
FAA ratings are valid in M-reg planes, all I have to do is fill out a
form and that's it. In Europe, at most your basic day VFR PPL is all
you'll get from a foreign license (UK and Eire), and most of Europe not
even that - you have to take a bunch of tests to validate a foreign
license. The guy who was in charge of airworthiness and maintenance was
extremely enthusiastic - not some bureaucrat, but someone who loved
aviation, breathed aviation, understood things like wooden planes and
the like. What a refreshing change!

As for independence, the Isle of Man has quite a bit of it already - I
have a Manx passport, for instance. We raise our own taxes, make our own
legislation etc., print our own banknotes, but it's still British territory.

> They have another cool rule. No speed limits except in towns.
> Nutcase bikers form all over converge on the place just to drive as fast
> as they can.

Don't forget the Isle of Man TT. My Dad still races sidecars in that. A
37 3/4 mile long race circuit, with races from 3 to 6 laps. Also, the
Isle of Man Grand Prix (same circuit), the Southern 100 (on the Billown
circuit in the south, 4 and a bit miles per lap) and the Jurby Road Race
in the north.

Last year was the 100th anniversary of the TT races, we got something
like 25000 bikes come over, and something like 50,000 visitors (our
normal population is 80,000).

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[xyzzy]

On Feb 28, 12:08 pm, Dylan Smith > wrote:
> --
> From the sunny Isle of Man.

You had me until you said that :)

Is it really sunny there in the Irish sea? It sure isn't in the nearby
landmasses. I have a friend who lives there and I've never heard him
say it's sunny (windy, yes).

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Dylan Smith > wrote in
:

> On 2008-02-27, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> A-ha.. I'd say there would be a market for that. Private flying is
>> nutso expensive in Europe.
>
> The other reason is that the N-reg is falling out of favour: aircraft
> with the N reg are finding themselves unwelcome in more places these
> days, especially in Africa and the middle East. So jet owners not US
> based but who used the N reg are starting to convert.
>
> If you have a Manx based plane you can register it whatever it is, so
> long as it has a CofA. I went to the meeting they had at Ronaldsway. I
> had to pinch myself to convince myself I wasn't dreaming - aviation
> regulators who were actually trying to make things easier, and make
> things happen, and make things less expensive. For example, *ALL* of
> my FAA ratings are valid in M-reg planes, all I have to do is fill out
> a form and that's it. In Europe, at most your basic day VFR PPL is all
> you'll get from a foreign license (UK and Eire), and most of Europe
> not even that - you have to take a bunch of tests to validate a
> foreign license. The guy who was in charge of airworthiness and
> maintenance was extremely enthusiastic - not some bureaucrat, but
> someone who loved aviation, breathed aviation, understood things like
> wooden planes and the like. What a refreshing change!

That does sound excellent..
>
> As for independence, the Isle of Man has quite a bit of it already - I
> have a Manx passport, for instance. We raise our own taxes, make our
> own legislation etc., print our own banknotes, but it's still British
> territory.

Yes, I knew a lot of that already. I beleive your language is making a
comeback as well.
>
>> They have another cool rule. No speed limits except in towns.
>> Nutcase bikers form all over converge on the place just to drive as
>> fast as they can.
>
> Don't forget the Isle of Man TT. My Dad still races sidecars in that.
> A 37 3/4 mile long race circuit, with races from 3 to 6 laps. Also,
> the Isle of Man Grand Prix (same circuit), the Southern 100 (on the
> Billown circuit in the south, 4 and a bit miles per lap) and the Jurby
> Road Race in the north.

Cool. He must be mad, though! The walls...
>
> Last year was the 100th anniversary of the TT races, we got something
> like 25000 bikes come over, and something like 50,000 visitors (our
> normal population is 80,000).
>


I've been there! I ride as well, but my bike won't fit in the airplane.

Bertie

[RdKetchup]

Dylan Smith wrote:
> Don't forget the Isle of Man TT. My Dad still races sidecars in that. A
> 37 3/4 mile long race circuit, with races from 3 to 6 laps. Also, the
> Isle of Man Grand Prix (same circuit), the Southern 100 (on the Billown
> circuit in the south, 4 and a bit miles per lap) and the Jurby Road Race
> in the north.
>
> Last year was the 100th anniversary of the TT races, we got something
> like 25000 bikes come over, and something like 50,000 visitors (our
> normal population is 80,000).
>

Wow, what a coincidence, earlier this week I was asking in r.a.s.f1 if
anybody had suggestion regarding a possible trip I wanted to take to the
IoM TT this summer, and now I find something regarding it in r.a.p :)

Could I contact you by email for a few questions, like best way to get
there (plane, ferry), motorcycle rentals, possibility of renting an
apartment for the week instead of going to an hotel? If you have info
regarding these type of things of course, or know where to point me toward.

Thanks.

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-02-28, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Don't forget the Isle of Man TT. My Dad still races sidecars in that.
>> A 37 3/4 mile long race circuit, with races from 3 to 6 laps. Also,
>> the Isle of Man Grand Prix (same circuit), the Southern 100 (on the
>> Billown circuit in the south, 4 and a bit miles per lap) and the Jurby
>> Road Race in the north.
>
> Cool. He must be mad, though! The walls...

He crashed into one, once - broke his right hand and wrist and arm very
badly (lots of steel pins sticking out, that kind of thing), destroyed
his helmet and got the free helicopter ride.

Didn't stop him though. He had a new outfit the next year, and crashed
again - no injury that time, straighened the outfit, and raced.

He's not crashed since.

I don't have video of the TT (it's too long for my video equipment) but
I do have some video of the Southern 100 which is also a road race (and
personally, I much prefer the Southern to the TT - it's a much
friendlier meeting, even if the course is more dangerous). Here's the
video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVdXdGSxnwY

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-02-28, RdKetchup > wrote:
> Could I contact you by email for a few questions, like best way to get
> there (plane, ferry), motorcycle rentals, possibility of renting an
> apartment for the week instead of going to an hotel?

Yes. The reply to mail address is valid, be sure to give your mail a
subject line that stands out so I don't mistake it for spam.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-02-28, xyzzy > wrote:
> On Feb 28, 12:08 pm, Dylan Smith > wrote:
>> --
>> From the sunny Isle of Man.
>
> You had me until you said that :)
>
> Is it really sunny there in the Irish sea? It sure isn't in the nearby
> landmasses. I have a friend who lives there and I've never heard him
> say it's sunny (windy, yes).

You don't need to be near a large landmass for the sun to come out.

While it might not be as sunny as, say, the California central valley,
in a normal summer we do get plenty of sunshine - generally more
sunshine than the north west UK.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

[xyzzy]

On Feb 29, 8:41 am, Dylan Smith > wrote:
> On 2008-02-28, xyzzy > wrote:
>
> > On Feb 28, 12:08 pm, Dylan Smith > wrote:
> >> --
> >> From the sunny Isle of Man.
>
> > You had me until you said that :)
>
> > Is it really sunny there in the Irish sea? It sure isn't in the nearby
> > landmasses. I have a friend who lives there and I've never heard him
> > say it's sunny (windy, yes).
>
> You don't need to be near a large landmass for the sun to come out.
>
> While it might not be as sunny as, say, the California central valley,
> in a normal summer we do get plenty of sunshine - generally more
> sunshine than the north west UK.

Well that's a tough comparison to win :)

Is this wiki entry incorrect?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_the_Isle_of_Man#Climate

"The Isle of Man is known for its overcast skies and low levels of
sunshine."

I'm really curious about that, not looking to win a contest with you.

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-02-29, xyzzy > wrote:
> "The Isle of Man is known for its overcast skies and low levels of
> sunshine."
>
> I'm really curious about that, not looking to win a contest with you.

Sure, in the winter it's overcast most of the time - ironically, it's
one of the reasons that the palm trees in my garden are viable (I have
four species of palm) - because the overcast winters mean we get very
few frosts. But we get sunshine in the summer, we tend to be under the
same blocking high that the rest of the British Isles is under. Well,
apart from last summer which was awful.

The Isle of Man used to be summer tourist destination for the UK and
Ireland. Cheap flights to the Med put an end to that, though.

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[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-02-29, Peter > wrote:
>
> Dylan Smith > wrote
>
>>If you have a Manx based plane you can register it whatever it is, so
>>long as it has a CofA.
>
> Only if you live there yourself.

That's why I said 'Manx based plane' :-) It's not going to be entirely
convenient to keep your plane in the Isle of Man if you live in
Budapest.

> That's quite a "significant" requirement, given the weather there ;)

The weather's perfectly fine, thanyouverymuch. How many bitter icy
frosts has the central UK had this winter? All the people on the Hardy
Tropical forums are whining about all the plants they've lost, and none
of mine have been touched!

> One reason people register M-XXXX is that it is perceived to provide
> protection from the occassionally threatened moves by EASA (the
> European aviation regulator) to kick U.S. registered aircraft off
> European soil after 90 days' parking. Whether this will happen is a
> separate argument...

EASA should get a clue, and perhaps try to understand why people want to
N reg rather than on their own nations register - and change the
regulations appropriately so that European registrations are desirable
to have. Such as making the instrument rating comparable to the US
instrument rating, and changing some of the inane light plane
maintenance rules so they are like the US ones; many of these
regulations actually ending up making aviation more dangerous because
aircraft owners have to choose between complying with an inane but
expensive regulation and making a worthwhile safety improvement to their
aircraft. The CAA in particular seems to always make rules with the
assumption that aircraft owners have an infinite money supply - just
look at the recent Mode S stupidity.

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[Stella Starr]

Dylan Smith wrote:

> While it might not be as sunny as, say, the California central valley,
> in a normal summer we do get plenty of sunshine - generally more
> sunshine than the north west UK.
>
I was startled to find after last year's move that the same thing is
true in the Pacific Northwest, here across the pond (and also across the
continent). Last summer my friends from an entire lifetime in the
Midwest kept asking "Tired of the rain yet?"

And I'd answer, "Actually in the summer it hardly ever rains and it's
amazingly beautishshshshSHSHSHSHHH..." because by that point I'd be
surrounded by a crowd of Oregonians shushing me and whispering, "Don't
TELL them! They'll ALL want to move here!"

Ssshhhtella

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

Peter > wrote in
:

>
>>generally more
>>> sunshine than the north west UK.
>
> Yes but that's true for most places ;)
>
> People who live in the NW UK have done so knowing they will have the
> nonstop convenyor belt of frontal weather coming from the U.S. east
> coast.

Actually, it forms mid atlantic.



In return for that, they have lower property prices, so lower
> mortgages, leaving them with much more disposable income to spend on
> their "weekend and night activities" and their holidays :)
>

According to them it's because people in the south have screwed them at
every turn!



Bertie

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-01, Peter > wrote:
> There are situations where N-reg are treated badly, e.g. 24 hr or even
> 5-day pripr permission in some Greek airports, or Turkey, but the same

I was actually thinking of France. While the French won't stop you
taking an N-reg plane there, when you do they will give you hassle over
the paperwork at many airports - checking in pettifoggling detail
especially for things like VAT payment. They don't do that for other
registers. The N-reg people at Ronaldsway who flew to France were eager
to transfer to the M-reg for this reason.

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[William Hung[_2_]]

On Feb 24, 11:13*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
> :
>
> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. *What country is it registered
> > in? *Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
> > characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>
> > Wil
>
> Found one
>
> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>
> A sim site!
>
> Barf!
>
> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>
> Bertie

Hey thanks Bertie!

Wil

[Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]]

William Hung > wrote in news:684c390a-480b-425f-b8cd-
:

> On Feb 24, 11:13*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> William Hung > wrote in news:f4fc54a9-f63e-480c-86f5-
>> :
>>
>> > If a plane had a tail that was YV-3???. *What country is it registered
>
>> > in? *Is there a site that shows which country gets what leading tail
>> > characters, N=US, F=France, C=Canada...etc.
>>
>> > Wil
>>
>> Found one
>>
>> http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/04fs/data/FSICAO.htm
>>
>> A sim site!
>>
>> Barf!
>>
>> Anyhow, it's Venezuala.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Hey thanks Bertie!
>
> Wil
>

's OK.

Bertie

[akjcbkJA]

"Dylan Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2008-03-01, Peter > wrote:
>> There are situations where N-reg are treated badly, e.g. 24 hr or even
>> 5-day pripr permission in some Greek airports, or Turkey, but the same
>
> I was actually thinking of France. While the French won't stop you
> taking an N-reg plane there, when you do they will give you hassle over
> the paperwork at many airports - checking in pettifoggling detail
> especially for things like VAT payment. They don't do that for other
> registers. The N-reg people at Ronaldsway who flew to France were eager
> to transfer to the M-reg for this reason.
>
Flying an N reg into France, it is important for the pilot to have the
restricted radio operators licence. It is the sucker punch the French try
and catch pilots out with.

[Alan[_6_]]

In article > Peter > writes:
>
>"akjcbkJA" > wrote
>
>>Flying an N reg into France, it is important for the pilot to have the
>>restricted radio operators licence. It is the sucker punch the French try
>>and catch pilots out with.
>
>Yes, true for an N-reg flying anywhere outside the USA!
>
>And the pilot needs the FCC radio license too. That's two separate
>radio licenses you need.
>
>Here's some notes on this stuff
>
>http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/faa-nreg/docs.html

Did you come across the requirements for folks who hold a General
Radiotelephone Operator License instead of the Restricted Radiotelephone
Operator Permit? The GROL is a larger certificate, and not something
one would carry around.

Alan

[Dylan Smith]

On 2008-03-04, Peter > wrote:
> Yes, true for an N-reg flying anywhere outside the USA!
>
> And the pilot needs the FCC radio license too. That's two separate
> radio licenses you need.

I think you have that the opposite way around: the Restricted
Radiotelephone Operators License is for the pilot, not the plane's
radio. (I have an FCC RT operators license).

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[John Godwin]

(Alan) wrote in
:

> Did you come across the requirements for folks who hold a
> General
> Radiotelephone Operator License instead of the Restricted
> Radiotelephone Operator Permit? The GROL is a larger certificate,
> and not something one would carry around.

There's also a wallet-sized card for the GROL.

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