re: enough said

[Jack]

On 2004/01/14 01:51, in article
, "nemo l'ancien"
> wrote:

> You just come when et where your own interest are in balance. Don't tell
> me about fight for freedom. It's fight for Dollar...

Monsieur Old Fish,

The French also benefited, no?

Next time we will leave you to your own devices [or not, 'cause we love you
so much after you sent us the nice statue -- that has to be worth hundreds
of thousands of American dead].



------------

Jack

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: re: enough said
>From: Jack
>Date: 1/14/04 10:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 2004/01/14 01:51, in article
, "nemo l'ancien"
> wrote:
>
>> You just come when et where your own interest are in balance. Don't tell
>> me about fight for freedom. It's fight for Dollar...
>
>Monsieur Old Fish,
>
>The French also benefited, no?
>
>Next time we will leave you to your own devices [or not, 'cause we love you
>so much after you sent us the nice statue -- that has to be worth hundreds
>of thousands of American dead].
>
>
>
>------------
>
>Jack
>

France still hasn't paid it s war debt from WW I or WW II. They just
surrender and claim vicory. I guess they are after the almighty dollar as
usual.. (sheesh)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> >Subject: re: enough said
> >From: Jack
> >Date: 1/14/04 10:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >On 2004/01/14 01:51, in article
> , "nemo l'ancien"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> You just come when et where your own interest are in balance. Don't
tell
> >> me about fight for freedom. It's fight for Dollar...
> >
> >Monsieur Old Fish,
> >
> >The French also benefited, no?
> >
> >Next time we will leave you to your own devices [or not, 'cause we love
you
> >so much after you sent us the nice statue -- that has to be worth
hundreds
> >of thousands of American dead].
> >
> >
> >
> >------------
> >
> >Jack
> >
>
> France still hasn't paid it s war debt from WW I or WW II. They just
> surrender and claim vicory. I guess they are after the almighty dollar as
> usual.. (sheesh)
>
>
>

Bla bla bla bla turn the record off Art; or someday a kid is going to be
dumb enough to believe you.

And if ever you come over for D-Day celebrations, I have a big house on
Sword Beach (at Luc-sur-Mer to be precise, 3 miles from Pegsus Bridge;
flattened by a shell on D-Day) and every 10 years (the major D-Day
anniversarys) we hold a huge BBQ for vets (english, canadian, french and
american) that landed in Normandy and specially on Sword.
You are welcome of course, if you'd like to confront your views with guys
who "were there too".....

--
Pierre-Henri Baras
___________________________
French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net

Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
http://www.aviation-fr.info

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: enough said
>From: "Pierre-Henri Baras"
>Date: 1/15/04 9:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>> >Subject: re: enough said
>> >From: Jack
>> >Date: 1/14/04 10:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >On 2004/01/14 01:51, in article
>> , "nemo l'ancien"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> You just come when et where your own interest are in balance. Don't
>tell
>> >> me about fight for freedom. It's fight for Dollar...
>> >
>> >Monsieur Old Fish,
>> >
>> >The French also benefited, no?
>> >
>> >Next time we will leave you to your own devices [or not, 'cause we love
>you
>> >so much after you sent us the nice statue -- that has to be worth
>hundreds
>> >of thousands of American dead].
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------
>> >
>> >Jack
>> >
>>
>> France still hasn't paid it s war debt from WW I or WW II. They just
>> surrender and claim vicory. I guess they are after the almighty dollar as
>> usual.. (sheesh)
>>
>>
>>
>
>Bla bla bla bla turn the record off Art; or someday a kid is going to be
>dumb enough to believe you.
>
>And if ever you come over for D-Day celebrations, I have a big house on
>Sword Beach (at Luc-sur-Mer to be precise, 3 miles from Pegsus Bridge;
>flattened by a shell on D-Day) and every 10 years (the major D-Day
>anniversarys) we hold a huge BBQ for vets (english, canadian, french and
>american) that landed in Normandy and specially on Sword.
>You are welcome of course, if you'd like to confront your views with guys
>who "were there too".....
>
>--
>Pierre-Henri Baras
>___________________________
>French Fleet Air Arm
>http://www.ffaa.net
>
>Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
>http://www.aviation-fr.info
>
>

And when all these guys come over do you tell them that they only came to
Normandy because they were after the mighty dollar you piece of crap.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

Nope, I only tell that to revisionnists like you.

Cheers from Paris,
Cheese eating smelly surrendering monkey #56,987,356

> And when all these guys come over do you tell them that they only came to
> Normandy because they were after the mighty dollar you piece of crap.
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[Grantland]

(ArtKramr) wrote:

>And when all these guys come over do you tell them that they only came to
>Normandy because they were after the mighty dollar you piece of crap.
>
>Arthur Kramer
>344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany

What a dirty old Jew you are, filth.

Grantland
>Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[B2431]

>From: (Grantland)
>Date: 1/15/2004 7:35 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>>And when all these guys come over do you tell them that they only came to
>>Normandy because they were after the mighty dollar you piece of crap.
>>
>>Arthur Kramer
>>344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>
>What a dirty old Jew you are, filth.
>
>Grantland

Behave.

Dan, U.s. Air Force, retired

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: enough said
>From: (B2431)
>Date: 1/15/04 9:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>From: (Grantland)
>>Date: 1/15/2004 7:35 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>>
>>>And when all these guys come over do you tell them that they only came to
>>>Normandy because they were after the mighty dollar you piece of crap.
>>>
>>>Arthur Kramer
>>>344th BG 494th BS
>>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>>
>>What a dirty old Jew you are, filth.
>>
>>Grantland
>
>Behave.
>
>Dan, U.s. Air Force, retired


Nazis always reveal themselves soonee or later.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Enough said
>From: "Pierre-Henri Baras"
>Date: 1/16/04 11:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Nope! I'd rather surrender to a mosquito than to thank YOU (grin).
>You don't deserve a thankyou; but you should be donated a corkscrew to get
>your head out of your butt. I'm fed up with your arrogant, selfish,
>stubborn, hypocrite and pathetic attitude.
>
>Old age doesn't explain everything.
>And being a veteran doesn't allow everything either.
>
>See you in hell (or in Vegas; If ever I return there be sure to expect a
>polite visite from me to your retirement home; it's easy to say what you've
>been saying behind a screen).
>
>--
>Pierre-Henri Baras
>___________________________

Your apology is accepted. I can understand why you surrendered. But why did you
collaborate.?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...

> Your apology is accepted. I can understand why you surrendered. But why
did you
> collaborate.?
>

The cars.
No one can make em' like the 'krauts.

The way things are going you yanks should've collaborated with Japan !!!
That Lexus convertible sure is a beauty!

--
Pierre-Henri Baras
___________________________
French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net

Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
http://www.aviation-fr.info

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> The way things are going you yanks should've collaborated with Japan !!!
>

Didn't need to. Plenty of Japanese cars are made right here in the US of A.

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Enough said
>From: "Pierre-Henri Baras"
>Date: 1/16/04 2:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>
>> Your apology is accepted. I can understand why you surrendered. But why
>did you
>> collaborate.?
>>
>
>The cars.
>No one can make em' like the 'krauts.
>
>The way things are going you yanks should've collaborated with Japan !!!
>That Lexus convertible sure is a beauty!
>
>--
>Pierre-Henri Baras
>___________________________
>French Fleet Air Arm
>http://www.ffaa.net
>
>Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
>http://www.aviation-fr.info
>

I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the French
make cars?

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Jarg]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Enough said
> >From: "Pierre-Henri Baras"
> >Date: 1/16/04 2:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> >
> >> Your apology is accepted. I can understand why you surrendered. But why
> >did you
> >> collaborate.?
> >>
> >
> >The cars.
> >No one can make em' like the 'krauts.
> >
> >The way things are going you yanks should've collaborated with Japan !!!
> >That Lexus convertible sure is a beauty!
> >
> >--
> >Pierre-Henri Baras
> >___________________________
> >French Fleet Air Arm
> >http://www.ffaa.net
> >
> >Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
> >http://www.aviation-fr.info
> >
>
> I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
French
> make cars?
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
to run (away)!

http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg

Jarg

[ArtKramr]

>ubject: Re: Enough said
>From: "Jarg"
>Date: 1/16/04 3:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>> >Subject: Re: Enough said
>> >From: "Pierre-Henri Baras"
>> >Date: 1/16/04 2:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
>> ...
>> >
>> >> Your apology is accepted. I can understand why you surrendered. But why
>> >did you
>> >> collaborate.?
>> >>
>> >
>> >The cars.
>> >No one can make em' like the 'krauts.
>> >
>> >The way things are going you yanks should've collaborated with Japan !!!
>> >That Lexus convertible sure is a beauty!
>> >
>> >--
>> >Pierre-Henri Baras
>> >___________________________
>> >French Fleet Air Arm
>> >http://www.ffaa.net
>> >
>> >Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
>> >http://www.aviation-fr.info
>> >
>>
>> I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
>French
>> make cars?
>>
>> Arthur Kramer
>> 344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>>
>
>Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
>to run (away)!
>
>http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
>
>Jarg
>
>
>

That explains everything.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[ArVa]

"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> > >
> >
> > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
> French
> > make cars?
> >
> > Arthur Kramer
> > 344th BG 494th BS
> > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
> >
>
> Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
> to run (away)!
>
> http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
>
> Jarg
>


Clap, clap, clap. Brilliant. Really hilarious. It really comforts you,
doesn't it?

Now, for something a little more solid :
http://www.euronext.com/file/view/0,4245,1626_53424_119664837,00.pdf. As
even you will probably figure, it's in French but I'm sure clever people
like you who know so well everything about France will have no problem to
understand, even if there is no images included...

Arva

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Enough said
>From: "ArVa"
>Date: 1/16/04 3:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <400872c3$0$27078$79c14f64

>Now, for something a little more solid :
>http://www.euronext.com/file/view/0,4245,1626_53424_119664837,00.pdf. As
>even you will probably figure, it's in French but I'm sure clever people
>like you who know so w

WOW Renault, Are they still in business?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Jarg]

"ArVa" > wrote in message
...
> "Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
> ...
> > "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
> > French
> > > make cars?
> > >
> > > Arthur Kramer
> > > 344th BG 494th BS
> > > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> > > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> > > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
> > >
> >
> > Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and
ready
> > to run (away)!
> >
> > http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
> >
> > Jarg
> >
>
>
> Clap, clap, clap. Brilliant. Really hilarious.

Thank you! Thank you very much! You are too kind. Really! I'm just
pleased I could bring a little joy into your drap and dreary French life!

Jarg

[ArVa]

"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
m...
> "ArVa" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
> > ...
> > > "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
> > > French
> > > > make cars?
> > > >
> > > > Arthur Kramer
> > > > 344th BG 494th BS
> > > > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> > > > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> > > > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
> > > >
> > >
> > > Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and
> ready
> > > to run (away)!
> > >
> > > http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
> > >
> > > Jarg
> > >
> >
> >
> > Clap, clap, clap. Brilliant. Really hilarious.
>
> Thank you! Thank you very much! You are too kind. Really!

No need to thank me. It's always a pleasure (not to mention a duty) to
assist people with problems (and believe me, a superiority complex *is* a
problem) and bring a little bit of information to people who obviously lack
some. That's the way we are, we cheese-eating surrendering monkeys. That is,
when we have time between a weapon delivery to one of the last remaining
dictators (but there are fewer and fewer because of you and it takes a lot
of time in a 2CV as the one on your picture), a pogrom down the streets of
Paris or a US flag burning meeting... There are just seven days in a week,
you know?...
What am I saying? Of course you know that, even if the week is not an
American invention... Err, you knew that? I mean, that time was not invented
by an American?... Yes, probably...

Seriously, you guys are pathetic with your clichés...


> I'm just pleased I could bring a little joy into your drap and dreary
French life!

LOL! Man, you have no idea. Well, I just wish you the life I have...

Now, I can't wait for the Al Minyard's "Words of Wisdom" about French cars
being utter crap or France being an enemy... :-)

Cheers from Paris,
Arva

[Mike Marron]

>"ArVa" > wrote:

>Now, I can't wait for the Al Minyard's "Words of Wisdom" about French cars
>being utter crap or France being an enemy... :-)

>Cheers from Paris,
>Arva

Great thread. WRT French cars being "utter crap," the first car I ever
rode in was a wonderful 1958 Peugeot 403 sedan. Dad bought it used
from some enlisted man on base (Elemendorf) when he was flying
F-102's in Alaska.

He liked the Peugeot so much that he had it shipped from Anchorage
down to Seattle when the Air Force transferred us to Charleston,
South Carolina (assigned to the 444th FIS flying F-101's) in 1963.
I was three years old.

In Seattle, he packed his three boys (aged three, four and five!),
his wife, and whatever household belongings he could fit in the
Peugeot (anything that wouldn't fit inside he tied down on the
roof) and then proceeded to drive that diminutive French car
3,000 miles from Seattle all the way down to Charleston. Amazing.

And there's never been a more cool television character than Inspector
Colombo with his loyal Bassett hound and his beloved 1959 Peugeot
Cabriolet convertible.

[Bob McKellar]

Mike Marron wrote:

> >"ArVa" > wrote:
>
> >Now, I can't wait for the Al Minyard's "Words of Wisdom" about French cars
> >being utter crap or France being an enemy... :-)
>
> >Cheers from Paris,
> >Arva
>
> Great thread. WRT French cars being "utter crap," the first car I ever
> rode in was a wonderful 1958 Peugeot 403 sedan. Dad bought it used
> from some enlisted man on base (Elemendorf) when he was flying
> F-102's in Alaska.
>
> He liked the Peugeot so much that he had it shipped from Anchorage
> down to Seattle when the Air Force transferred us to Charleston,
> South Carolina (assigned to the 444th FIS flying F-101's) in 1963.
> I was three years old.
>
> In Seattle, he packed his three boys (aged three, four and five!),
> his wife, and whatever household belongings he could fit in the
> Peugeot (anything that wouldn't fit inside he tied down on the
> roof) and then proceeded to drive that diminutive French car
> 3,000 miles from Seattle all the way down to Charleston. Amazing.

3000 miles? At one time? In a Peugeot?

That is amazing!

>
>
> And there's never been a more cool television character than Inspector
> Colombo with his loyal Bassett hound and his beloved 1959 Peugeot
> Cabriolet convertible.
>
>

I thought it was a Hillman. Could be wrong, of course.

Bob McKellar

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"Jarg" > wrote:

> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >Subject: Re: Enough said
> > >From: "Pierre-Henri Baras"
> > >Date: 1/16/04 2:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > >Message-id: >
> > >
> > >
> > >"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> > ...
> > >
> > >> Your apology is accepted. I can understand why you surrendered. But why
> > >did you
> > >> collaborate.?
> > >>
> > >
> > >The cars.
> > >No one can make em' like the 'krauts.
> > >
> > >The way things are going you yanks should've collaborated with Japan !!!
> > >That Lexus convertible sure is a beauty!
> >
> > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
> > French make cars?
>
> Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
> to run (away)!
>
> http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg

I like the tilting headlights best. Next best would probably be one of
the tropical models with the canvas seats. Actually, there used to be a
couple of them running locally. Haven't seen them for a while, though.

[Mike Marron]

>Bob McKellar > wrote:
>>Mike Marron wrote:
>>>"ArVa" > wrote:

>>>Now, I can't wait for the Al Minyard's "Words of Wisdom" about French cars
>>>being utter crap or France being an enemy... :-)

>>>Cheers from Paris,
>>>Arva

>>Great thread. WRT French cars being "utter crap," the first car I ever
>>rode in was a wonderful 1958 Peugeot 403 sedan. Dad bought it used
>>from some enlisted man on base (Elemendorf) when he was flying
>>F-102's in Alaska.

>>He liked the Peugeot so much that he had it shipped from Anchorage
>>down to Seattle when the Air Force transferred us to Charleston,
>>South Carolina (assigned to the 444th FIS flying F-101's) in 1963.
>>I was three years old.

>>In Seattle, he packed his three boys (aged three, four and five!),
>>his wife, and whatever household belongings he could fit in the
>>Peugeot (anything that wouldn't fit inside he tied down on the
>>roof) and then proceeded to drive that diminutive French car
>>3,000 miles from Seattle all the way down to Charleston. Amazing.

>3000 miles? At one time? In a Peugeot?

>That is amazing!

Heh.

>>And there's never been a more cool television character than Inspector
>>Colombo with his loyal Bassett hound and his beloved 1959 Peugeot
>>Cabriolet convertible.

>I thought it was a Hillman. Could be wrong, of course.

"Columbo drives a 1959 Peugeot 403 convertible (licence plate # APD
403). He is prone to airsickness and seasickness and he can't swim."

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbo

[KtM]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:08:57 GMT, "Jarg" >
wrote:

>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>> >Subject: Re: Enough said
>> >From: "Pierre-Henri Baras"
>> >Date: 1/16/04 2:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"ArtKramr" > a écrit dans le message de news:
>> ...
>> >
>> >> Your apology is accepted. I can understand why you surrendered. But why
>> >did you
>> >> collaborate.?
>> >>
>> >
>> >The cars.
>> >No one can make em' like the 'krauts.
>> >
>> >The way things are going you yanks should've collaborated with Japan !!!
>> >That Lexus convertible sure is a beauty!
>> >
>> >--
>> >Pierre-Henri Baras
>> >___________________________
>> >French Fleet Air Arm
>> >http://www.ffaa.net
>> >
>> >Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
>> >http://www.aviation-fr.info
>> >
>>
>> I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
>French
>> make cars?
>>
>> Arthur Kramer
>> 344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>>
>
>Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
>to run (away)!
>
>http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
>
>Jarg
>
>
Well, Im not into bashing French, but they are not classified as cars,
but junkyards

[Alan Minyard]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:24:50 +0100, "ArVa" > wrote:

>"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
...
>> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
>> > >
>> >
>> > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
>> French
>> > make cars?
>> >
>> > Arthur Kramer
>> > 344th BG 494th BS
>> > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>> >
>>
>> Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
>> to run (away)!
>>
>> http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
>>
>> Jarg
>>
>
>
>Clap, clap, clap. Brilliant. Really hilarious. It really comforts you,
>doesn't it?
>
>Now, for something a little more solid :
>http://www.euronext.com/file/view/0,4245,1626_53424_119664837,00.pdf. As
>even you will probably figure, it's in French but I'm sure clever people
>like you who know so well everything about France will have no problem to
>understand, even if there is no images included...
>
>Arva
>
That is a press release from a french "auto maker". What do you expect
from such a biased source? Renault was run out of the US market, as
was Pugeot. Both lacked the quality to compete.

Al Minyard

[Alan Minyard]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:18:02 +0100, "ArVa" > wrote:

>
>"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
m...
>> "ArVa" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
>> > ...
>> > > "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
>> > > French
>> > > > make cars?
>> > > >
>> > > > Arthur Kramer
>> > > > 344th BG 494th BS
>> > > > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> > > > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> > > > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and
>> ready
>> > > to run (away)!
>> > >
>> > > http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
>> > >
>> > > Jarg
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Clap, clap, clap. Brilliant. Really hilarious.
>>
>> Thank you! Thank you very much! You are too kind. Really!
>
>No need to thank me. It's always a pleasure (not to mention a duty) to
>assist people with problems (and believe me, a superiority complex *is* a
>problem) and bring a little bit of information to people who obviously lack
>some. That's the way we are, we cheese-eating surrendering monkeys. That is,
>when we have time between a weapon delivery to one of the last remaining
>dictators (but there are fewer and fewer because of you and it takes a lot
>of time in a 2CV as the one on your picture), a pogrom down the streets of
>Paris or a US flag burning meeting... There are just seven days in a week,
>you know?...
>What am I saying? Of course you know that, even if the week is not an
>American invention... Err, you knew that? I mean, that time was not invented
>by an American?... Yes, probably...
>
>Seriously, you guys are pathetic with your clichés...
>
>
>> I'm just pleased I could bring a little joy into your drap and dreary
>French life!
>
>LOL! Man, you have no idea. Well, I just wish you the life I have...
>
>Now, I can't wait for the Al Minyard's "Words of Wisdom" about French cars
>being utter crap or France being an enemy... :-)
>
>Cheers from Paris,
>Arva
>
>
>
Already posted.

Al Minyard

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"KtM" > a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
> >Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and
ready
> >to run (away)!
> >
> >http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
> >
> >Jarg
> >
> >
> Well, Im not into bashing French, but they are not classified as cars,
> but junkyards


Considering the 2CV is over 55 years old, it's quite normal!

--
Pierre-Henri Baras
___________________________
French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net

Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
http://www.aviation-fr.info

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Alan Minyard > writes:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:24:50 +0100, "ArVa" > wrote:
>
>>"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
...
>>> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
>>> French
>>> > make cars?

>>> Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
>>> to run (away)!
>>>
>>> http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg

> That is a press release from a french "auto maker". What do you expect
> from such a biased source? Renault was run out of the US market, as
> was Pugeot. Both lacked the quality to compete.

Working as a mechanic on the Renault 15 (Gordini) has been a leading
cause of cognitive disorders. (Not a Transverse-Engined Front Wheel
Drive, but a Reverse Engined setup. With everything else backward, as
well, Whoever thought up the idea that the coolant pump should be the
highest point in the cooling system must have received a Special Medal
from the Engine Block Caster's Union.

When I was instructing in Pursuit and Protection Driving, we used
Peugeots as our school cars. They were cheap, handled reasonable
well, and you didn't feel bad when you broke one.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Bob McKellar]

Peter Stickney wrote:

> In article >,
> Alan Minyard > writes:
> > On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:24:50 +0100, "ArVa" > wrote:
> >
> >>"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
> ...
> >>> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
> >>> French
> >>> > make cars?
>
> >>> Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
> >>> to run (away)!
> >>>
> >>> http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
>
> > That is a press release from a french "auto maker". What do you expect
> > from such a biased source? Renault was run out of the US market, as
> > was Pugeot. Both lacked the quality to compete.
>
> Working as a mechanic on the Renault 15 (Gordini) has been a leading
> cause of cognitive disorders. (Not a Transverse-Engined Front Wheel
> Drive, but a Reverse Engined setup. With everything else backward, as
> well, Whoever thought up the idea that the coolant pump should be the
> highest point in the cooling system must have received a Special Medal
> from the Engine Block Caster's Union.
>
> When I was instructing in Pursuit and Protection Driving, we used
> Peugeots as our school cars. They were cheap, handled reasonable
> well, and you didn't feel bad when you broke one.
>
> --
> Pete Stickney
> A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
> bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

The quickest, most entertaining car I ever drove was a Renault Alpine.

Of course, having been built as a factory entrant in the Monte Carlo Rally, it was
not quite in stock configuration. ( But it was street legal.)

Bob McKellar

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Bob McKellar > writes:
>
>
> Peter Stickney wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Alan Minyard > writes:
>> > On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:24:50 +0100, "ArVa" > wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
>> ...
>> >>> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
>> >>> French
>> >>> > make cars?
>>
>> >>> Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
>> >>> to run (away)!
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
>>
>> > That is a press release from a french "auto maker". What do you expect
>> > from such a biased source? Renault was run out of the US market, as
>> > was Pugeot. Both lacked the quality to compete.
>>
>> Working as a mechanic on the Renault 15 (Gordini) has been a leading
>> cause of cognitive disorders. (Not a Transverse-Engined Front Wheel
>> Drive, but a Reverse Engined setup. With everything else backward, as
>> well, Whoever thought up the idea that the coolant pump should be the
>> highest point in the cooling system must have received a Special Medal
>> from the Engine Block Caster's Union.
>>
>> When I was instructing in Pursuit and Protection Driving, we used
>> Peugeots as our school cars. They were cheap, handled reasonable
>> well, and you didn't feel bad when you broke one.
>>
>> --
>> Pete Stickney
>> A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
>> bad measures. -- Daniel Webster
>
> The quickest, most entertaining car I ever drove was a Renault Alpine.
>
> Of course, having been built as a factory entrant in the Monte Carlo Rally, it was
> not quite in stock configuration. ( But it was street legal.)

An old Alpine ('60s era)? That is an amazing beast. I'm somewhat
envious. Seems like it would handle a bit like an old Porsche 911.
(Which wouldn't be at all bad, if you stayed awake)

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Bob McKellar]

Peter Stickney wrote:

> In article >,
> Bob McKellar > writes:
> >
> >
> > Peter Stickney wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> Alan Minyard > writes:
> >> > On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:24:50 +0100, "ArVa" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>"Jarg" > a écrit dans le message de
> >> ...
> >> >>> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I'm a Mercedes man myself. 420 SEL as a matter of fact. BTW, do the
> >> >>> French
> >> >>> > make cars?
> >>
> >> >>> Of couse the French make cars. Check out this beauty, gassed up and ready
> >> >>> to run (away)!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.citroen-hy.com/kauppa/2cv-87-1.jpg
> >>
> >> > That is a press release from a french "auto maker". What do you expect
> >> > from such a biased source? Renault was run out of the US market, as
> >> > was Pugeot. Both lacked the quality to compete.
> >>
> >> Working as a mechanic on the Renault 15 (Gordini) has been a leading
> >> cause of cognitive disorders. (Not a Transverse-Engined Front Wheel
> >> Drive, but a Reverse Engined setup. With everything else backward, as
> >> well, Whoever thought up the idea that the coolant pump should be the
> >> highest point in the cooling system must have received a Special Medal
> >> from the Engine Block Caster's Union.
> >>
> >> When I was instructing in Pursuit and Protection Driving, we used
> >> Peugeots as our school cars. They were cheap, handled reasonable
> >> well, and you didn't feel bad when you broke one.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Pete Stickney
> >> A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
> >> bad measures. -- Daniel Webster
> >
> > The quickest, most entertaining car I ever drove was a Renault Alpine.
> >
> > Of course, having been built as a factory entrant in the Monte Carlo Rally, it was
> > not quite in stock configuration. ( But it was street legal.)
>
> An old Alpine ('60s era)? That is an amazing beast. I'm somewhat
> envious. Seems like it would handle a bit like an old Porsche 911.
> (Which wouldn't be at all bad, if you stayed awake)
>
> --
> Pete Stickney
> A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
> bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

I first encountered it in the mid 70's, when it was long retired as a competition car.
I have a hazy recollection it was in the '67 Rally. It was a hoot! It looked kind of
like a squished Karmann Ghia, with a tiny 4 cylinder water cooled engine in the rear.
Another hazy memory was it was about 1100 cc. The fiberglass body was so thin you could
easily deform it with your hand.

The first time I drove it ( in downtown traffic ) the guy with me said "We're trying to
hold it to 6000 rpm". At the first intersection, when the light changed, I gave it a
"bit" of gas and hit 7000 passing under the traffic light. It had no top end speed,
with the rally gears, but it sure would rev! It also had huge wide tires, and would
turn on a franc.

We made a lot of enemies one night. We stayed out too late and it got dark enough we
had to turn on the lights. Turning them "on" turned on all 6 driving lights and the
folks in the oncoming lane were not pleased.

No cup holders.

I also recall it spent some time as a fugitive, due to some nasty circumstances
involving divorces and bankruptcies. It hid in a nondescript garage in a small town,
awaiting its opportunity to return and terrorize the populace.

Bob McKellar

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Bob McKellar > writes:
> Peter Stickney wrote:
>> An old Alpine ('60s era)? That is an amazing beast. I'm somewhat
>> envious. Seems like it would handle a bit like an old Porsche 911.
>> (Which wouldn't be at all bad, if you stayed awake)

> I also recall it spent some time as a fugitive, due to some nasty circumstances
> involving divorces and bankruptcies. It hid in a nondescript garage in a small town,
> awaiting its opportunity to return and terrorize the populace.

So it may still me lurking out there - sleeping - waiting for some
unsuspecting soul to unleash it on a world unprepared to deal with it.

Cool. I'm on it. As soon as I can whip up some vacation time, a
ticket to France, and a bunch of French Laywers to deal with the
paperwork...

(I should go anyway - I've a 10-ton Federal tractor (Ex French Army),
sitting in Marseilles, that's been waiting for a reasonable price to
travel as anything but Deck Cargo... (Deck Cargo's cheap, but there's
no responsibility on the part of the Ship's Owners or Master to
deliver it. Once it's out to sea, if they get tired of walking around
it, they can deep-six it with no repercussions.))

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Bob McKellar]

Peter Stickney wrote:

> In article >,
> Bob McKellar > writes:
> > Peter Stickney wrote:
> >> An old Alpine ('60s era)? That is an amazing beast. I'm somewhat
> >> envious. Seems like it would handle a bit like an old Porsche 911.
> >> (Which wouldn't be at all bad, if you stayed awake)
>
> > I also recall it spent some time as a fugitive, due to some nasty circumstances
> > involving divorces and bankruptcies. It hid in a nondescript garage in a small town,
> > awaiting its opportunity to return and terrorize the populace.
>
> So it may still me lurking out there - sleeping - waiting for some
> unsuspecting soul to unleash it on a world unprepared to deal with it.
>
> Cool. I'm on it. As soon as I can whip up some vacation time, a
> ticket to France, and a bunch of French Laywers to deal with the
> paperwork...
>
> (I should go anyway - I've a 10-ton Federal tractor (Ex French Army),
> sitting in Marseilles, that's been waiting for a reasonable price to
> travel as anything but Deck Cargo... (Deck Cargo's cheap, but there's
> no responsibility on the part of the Ship's Owners or Master to
> deliver it. Once it's out to sea, if they get tired of walking around
> it, they can deep-six it with no repercussions.))
>
> --
> Pete Stickney
> A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
> bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

France? Who said anything about France? Try Southeast USA.

Bob

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Bob McKellar > writes:
> Peter Stickney wrote:
>> Cool. I'm on it. As soon as I can whip up some vacation time, a
>> ticket to France, and a bunch of French Laywers to deal with the
>> paperwork...

> France? Who said anything about France? Try Southeast USA.

Sorry. My mistake. Good news, though. That means that trying to get
it in Gray Market won't be a problem. I still need to work out the
logistics on that danged truck, though. It's a lot more difficult
these days than it was back in the '50s and '60s. (When my Uncle
imported his Volvo P1800 via a B-47's bomb bay)

There are some amazing cars out there, if you know where to look. One
of my "Almost but not quites" was one of Augie Pabst's Porsche 908s
(Also street legal). And then there was the Plymouth Superbird with
the 440, 4-speed, bucket seats & console, that if I'd only had 3 grand
handy in '79...

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster