Re: Winston Churchill As Anthrax Bomber

[Krztalizer]

>> The Germans in both wars were barbaric, to the allies. In WW2, they
>were
>> animals, and it didn't take too much allied propaganda to set the
>scene.
>
>You get your History from Hollywood Smollywood. Unfortunately it's
>just crap.

Here is where you tell us that KZ was actually just a modest RAD project, hyped
by the Allies. Bernd, you have a lot of good info to share, but standing
beside the Nazis and telling us how humane they were just ain't going to work.
90% of the German military WERE just professional soldiers, airmen, and
sailors, doing their duty to volk und vaterland. Very few of this group were
out violating their Article 98 oath. Unfortunately, the remaining few percent
of the Wehrmacht (a few Heer, some KM, small percent LW, damn near ALL W-SS)
actively participated in genocide, scorched earth, strafing refugees, MG
lifeboats and all the other things that were _not_ invented in Hollywood.

You started sounding like a well read authority on this thread and are slowly
moving toward a defiant "we were the victims" stance. Wrong audience, sir.

Germany's leadership took its people directly into harm's way and if its cities
and population were being immolated, Hitler always had the option of halting
the carnage by surrendering and taking his punishment for sponsoring murder in
his own country and all over the European continent.

v/r
Gordon

[Krztalizer]

>
>>Around the time of Coventry British Jamming of the German blind
>>bombing system was mostly ineffecvive despite claims to the contrary.
>
>Source, please?

Mike, Knickebein (SP) most certainly was jammed - I've interviewed KG airmen
that rode 111s, 88s, and 217s during this period and the jamming was hit or
miss, but definitely it worked on occasion. The 'Wizard War' was active almost
from the first siren of the conflict.

v/r
Gordon

[M. J. Powell]

In message >, Krztalizer
> writes
>>
>>>Around the time of Coventry British Jamming of the German blind
>>>bombing system was mostly ineffecvive despite claims to the contrary.
>>
>>Source, please?
>
>Mike, Knickebein (SP) most certainly was jammed - I've interviewed KG airmen
>that rode 111s, 88s, and 217s during this period and the jamming was hit or
>miss, but definitely it worked on occasion.

Yes, I know it was jammed. What I wanted to know was the source of the
claim that it was 'mostly ineffective'.

> The 'Wizard War' was active almost
>from the first siren of the conflict.

Long before that.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

[Krztalizer]

>
> Mosquitoes could take down just the walls of prisons.
>
>I believe that happened once, and was a matter of luck.
>

Emphatically disagree on the "luck" part. That's like saying it was just luck
that sank the Arizona, not months of planning and practice.

The Jerico raid participants specifically targeted the German barracks
(hit/destroyed), the outer wall at two points (hit/destroyed), and put a couple
into the walls of the prison itself, exactly as planned, with the intention of
knocking doors off hinges.

A matter of luck? No sir - skill, daring, and professionalism under fire.

Mosquito crews were rather famous to the Germans for their ability to put bombs
into tight spots - at Aarhus University, students were in one wing of a
building, the Gestapo records office in another. It most certainly was not
luck that one was destroyed, the other undamaged. I could spend the rest of
the day providing such examples - what about the S/L that flew down the street
under the rooftops in Holland, depositing his bombs through the doorway of the
SS headquarters? Whether Jerico happened only once or not, it is an excellent
example of the ability of 105 and 109 Squadron's skill at precise bombing. You
dismiss the accomplishments of these men in a cavalier manner to make your
point and it was entirely unneccessary.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[Keith Willshaw]

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
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> >
> > Mosquitoes could take down just the walls of prisons.
> >
> >I believe that happened once, and was a matter of luck.
> >
>
> Emphatically disagree on the "luck" part. That's like saying it was just
luck
> that sank the Arizona, not months of planning and practice.
>
> The Jerico raid participants specifically targeted the German barracks
> (hit/destroyed), the outer wall at two points (hit/destroyed), and put a
couple
> into the walls of the prison itself, exactly as planned, with the
intention of
> knocking doors off hinges.
>
> A matter of luck? No sir - skill, daring, and professionalism under fire.
>

Absolutely, German light flak was deadly and at those altitudes
your chances of survival if badly hit were low. The loss rates on this sort
of mission
could be very high. Of the 18 aircraft used in Jericho 2 were shot
down and 3 more badly damaged.

In the raid on the Gestapo HQ in Copenhagen 3 out of 10 aircraft were
shot down, another was so badly damaged it crashed on landing
and was written off and another limped back on one engine.

Keith

[Cub Driver]

>90% of the German military WERE just professional soldiers, airmen, and
>sailors, doing their duty to volk und vaterland.

I think you give too much credit to the German military, and indeed to
the human race. When you are in a society that condones extermination
camps, reprisal murders, torture of prisoners, and the like, it takes
a great act of courage to do otherwise. Perhaps 90 percent of the
German military (and any other military) would have acted correctly
had they been given a different example, but they weren't, and they
didn't.

I think you should reverse your percentages. Or else you should put an
asterisk after "duty" and specify that this included what a sane
society would deem crimes.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Spiv]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
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>
> > I'd be interested in any cites you can produce
> > for the claim that the Irish (presumably the
> > government?) put on extra lights to help German
> > bombers. It would have been a breach of neutrality
> > which would surprise me.
>
> It would also have been an astonishing
> waste of money, in a very lean
> time, which would surprise me even more.

The Germans bombed Dublin by mistake once by a lone plane which dropped
bombs in a park or somewhere harmless. DeValera ordered all lights to
always remain on and added more. This clearly was not to protect Dublin at
all, it was a clear effective beacon to guide planes to Liverpool. The
people of Liverpool never forgave the Irish for what they did.

> I'm sure the British were terribly annoyed that Ireland remained
> neutral during WWII.

Not really.

> Still, they got hundreds of thousands of Irish
> workers and soldiers,

All paid for. The soldiers were volunteers. The Irish have a love hate
relationship with the British. Many ex IRA joined the British army, with
ready made useful gun skills, and no questions asked.

> not to mention Irish greengoods and beef, and
> any British or American airmen who went down
> over the Republic were quietly returned across
> the border to northern Ireland, so it really
> worked out quite well in the end.

Returned? One escaped and the British sent him back, to enforce the neutral
relationship. On VE Day the students at Dublin university burnt the Irish
tricolour in disgust at Ireland standing by and doing nothing. Many Irish
were embarrassed at their stance in WW2.



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[Spiv]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
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>
> >I'd be interested in any cites you can produce for the claim that the
> >Irish (presumably the government?) put on extra lights to help German
> >bombers. It would have been a breach of neutrality which would surprise
me.
>
> It would also have been an astonishing waste of money, in a very lean
> time, which would surprise me even more.
>
> I'm sure the British were terribly annoyed that Ireland remained
> neutral during WWII. Still, they got hundreds of thousands of Irish
> workers and soldiers, not to mention Irish greengoods and beef, and
> any British or American airmen who went down over the Republic were
> quietly returned across the border to northern Ireland, so it really
> worked out quite well in the end.

Irish men and women joined the British Armed Forces in the Second World War
with nearly 2,000 killed. The IRA is known to have helped the Germans by
providing intelligence about Belfast a major shipbuilding city (they built
the Titanic), in the north, still in the UK. The city was almost destroyed
in four Luftwaffe bombing raids in 1941.

There were claims that people living in the Republic close to the border
with Ulster, turned on their house lights at night to guide the German
bombers into Belfast.

Seven Irishmen from the Republic won VCs. During WW2. Irish newspapers were
censored, and not allowed to refer to people from the Republic fighting for
the British. The Irish referred to WW2 as "the emergency".

The British-hating premier de Valera delivered a clear message in 1945. He
signed a book of condolence at the German embassy in Dublin, to mark the
death of Adolf Hitler.



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[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
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>

>
> The Germans bombed Dublin by mistake once by a lone plane which dropped
> bombs in a park or somewhere harmless. DeValera ordered all lights to
> always remain on and added more. This clearly was not to protect Dublin
at
> all, it was a clear effective beacon to guide planes to Liverpool. The
> people of Liverpool never forgave the Irish for what they did.
>

Now last time I checked Dublin was a LONG way from Liverpool
so pray tell how having its lights could aid the Luftwaffe target that city
?

Perhaps the Americans were helping by not blacking out NYC in 1940 ?

How about the lights in Stockholm - were they a beacon pointing to
Newcastle do you think ?

Keith

[Spiv]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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>
> "Spiv" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
>
> >
> > The Germans bombed Dublin by mistake once by a lone plane which dropped
> > bombs in a park or somewhere harmless. DeValera ordered all lights to
> > always remain on and added more. This clearly was not to protect Dublin
> at
> > all, it was a clear effective beacon to guide planes to Liverpool. The
> > people of Liverpool never forgave the Irish for what they did.
> >
>
> Now last time I checked Dublin was a LONG way from Liverpool
> so pray tell how having its lights could aid the Luftwaffe target that
city
> ?

It is due west of Liverpool. See Dublin to the west then steer due east and
you hit it.

> Perhaps the Americans were
> helping by not blacking out NYC in 1940 ?

You have a sense of humour I see.

>
> How about the lights in Stockholm - were they a beacon pointing to
> Newcastle do you think ?

Oh you are fun.


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[John Mullen]

Spiv wrote:
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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>
>>"Spiv" > wrote in message
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>>>The Germans bombed Dublin by mistake once by a lone plane which dropped
>>>bombs in a park or somewhere harmless. DeValera ordered all lights to
>>>always remain on and added more. This clearly was not to protect Dublin
>>
>>at
>>
>>>all, it was a clear effective beacon to guide planes to Liverpool. The
>>>people of Liverpool never forgave the Irish for what they did.
>>>
>>
>>Now last time I checked Dublin was a LONG way from Liverpool
>>so pray tell how having its lights could aid the Luftwaffe target that
>
> city
>
>>?
>
>
> It is due west of Liverpool. See Dublin to the west then steer due east and
> you hit it.

Actually coastal cities are fairly easy to find even when blacked out.
Read up on Hamburg etc. No need for your urban myth!

>
>>Perhaps the Americans were
>>helping by not blacking out NYC in 1940 ?
>
>
> You have a sense of humour I see.
>
>
>>How about the lights in Stockholm - were they a beacon pointing to
>>Newcastle do you think ?
>
>
> Oh you are fun.

Well it makes almost as much sense as your Dublin story...

John

[Spiv]

"John Mullen" > wrote in message
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> Spiv wrote:
> > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>"Spiv" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>The Germans bombed Dublin by mistake once by a lone plane which dropped
> >>>bombs in a park or somewhere harmless.

Sorry the German did a bit of isolated bombing and killed a number of
people.

> >>>DeValera ordered all lights to
> >>>always remain on and added more. This clearly was not to protect
Dublin
>> >>at all, it was a clear effective beacon to guide planes to Liverpool.
The
> >>>people of Liverpool never forgave the Irish for what they did.
> >>
> >>Now last time I checked Dublin was a LONG way from Liverpool
> >>so pray tell how having its lights could aid the Luftwaffe target that
> > city?
> >
> > It is due west of Liverpool. See Dublin to the west then steer due east
and
> > you hit it.
>
> Actually coastal cities are fairly easy to find even when blacked out.
> Read up on Hamburg etc. No need for your urban myth!

You obviously didn't know where Liverpool was. In a full moon they are
easy enough. At one point the whole of the Manchester Ship canal was spayed
with sawdust to prevent it shining back. German bomber coming in from the
east could follow the canal to Liverpool in a good moon.

> >>Perhaps the Americans were
> >>helping by not blacking out NYC in 1940 ?

> > You have a sense of humour I see.
> >
> >>How about the lights in Stockholm - were they a beacon pointing to
> >>Newcastle do you think ?
> >
> > Oh you are fun.
>
> Well it makes almost as much sense as your Dublin story...

By your name you are Irish or of Irish decent. And yes the Irish did light
up Dublin with extra lights. Don't like that do you?


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[Presidente Alcazar]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:08:11 +0000, Greg Hennessy >
wrote:

>>It would also have been an astonishing waste of money, in a very lean
>>time, which would surprise me even more.
>
>In a country with just 3 merchant ships to keep it supplied thats not
>surprising.

They didn't have 3 ocean-going ships until Lemass got going in 1942.
Meanwhile, and afterwards, all Irisih imports crossed the German Uboat
blockade in British ships or ships in British-controlled convoys.

>>I'm sure the British were terribly annoyed that Ireland remained
>>neutral during WWII.
>
>Handing back the treaty ports in 1938 was a gross act of stupidity.

It just proved, once again, that appeasement didn't work. For all de
Valera's encouraging noises about how dealing with such "injustices"
would improve relations, the British lost in the exchange and gained
nothing in return.

Gavin Bailey

[Greg Hennessy]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:26:56 -0000, "Spiv" > wrote:

>
>
>
>The Germans bombed Dublin by mistake once by a lone plane which dropped
>bombs in a park or somewhere harmless. DeValera ordered all lights to
>always remain on and added more.


You're now regurgitating the same crap as the idiots who claim that U boats
were being refuelled on the irish west coast. Of course occams razor is
little blunt around those who cannot figure out where the hundreds of
tonnes of heavy fuel oil came from to do so.

>This clearly was not to protect Dublin at
>all, it was a clear effective beacon to guide planes to Liverpool. The
>people of Liverpool never forgave the Irish for what they did.

That bilge and you know it you clown.

>> I'm sure the British were terribly annoyed that Ireland remained
>> neutral during WWII.
>
>Not really.

Oh do shut up you ignorant prat, I suggest you read Churchills VE speech
and the very pointed reference to it contained within.



greg

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[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
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>

> >
> > Now last time I checked Dublin was a LONG way from Liverpool
> > so pray tell how having its lights could aid the Luftwaffe target that
> city
> > ?
>
> It is due west of Liverpool. See Dublin to the west then steer due east
and
> you hit it.
>

Or Holyhead, Colwyn Bay, Birkenhead etc.

Fact is Luftwaffe bases were in Norway and France, they werent
about to fly across the entire width of England, cross the Irish Sea
and then come back again. Its just silly.


> > Perhaps the Americans were
> > helping by not blacking out NYC in 1940 ?
>
> You have a sense of humour I see.
>
> >
> > How about the lights in Stockholm - were they a beacon pointing to
> > Newcastle do you think ?
>
> Oh you are fun.
>

While you are merely funny.

Keith

[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
...

>
> You obviously didn't know where Liverpool was. In a full moon they are
> easy enough. At one point the whole of the Manchester Ship canal was
spayed
> with sawdust to prevent it shining back. German bomber coming in from the
> east could follow the canal to Liverpool in a good moon.
>

Ah so Manchester was in on plot too :)

Keith

[John Mullen]

Spiv wrote:

(snip)

>>>>>DeValera ordered all lights to
>>>>>always remain on and added more. This clearly was not to protect
>
> Dublin
>
>>>>>at all, it was a clear effective beacon to guide planes to Liverpool.

Please provide some evidence to support this or else stop making these
ridiculous claims. Failing that I will stop reading or responding to
your posts.

>>Actually coastal cities are fairly easy to find even when blacked out.
>>Read up on Hamburg etc. No need for your urban myth!
>
>
> You obviously didn't know where Liverpool was. In a full moon they are
> easy enough. At one point the whole of the Manchester Ship canal was spayed
> with sawdust to prevent it shining back. German bomber coming in from the
> east could follow the canal to Liverpool in a good moon.
>

Coming from anyone else I would consider this interesting, even
plausible. Coming from you, I think it's likely just more made-up
rubbish. Unless of course you can point me to some evidence. A book,
even a web address? But I don't suppose you can, eh?

(snip)


> By your name you are Irish or of Irish decent. And yes the Irish did light
> up Dublin with extra lights. Don't like that do you?

My grandfather was indeed Irish. I assure you my preference for truth
over bull**** is not one based on Irish nationalism but rather a
fundamental belief that true things are better than false ones. Sorry
you apparently don't share this preference.

As I said, put up or shut up.

John

[Greg Hennessy]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:54:24 +0000, Presidente Alcazar
> wrote:


>>In a country with just 3 merchant ships to keep it supplied thats not
>>surprising.
>
>They didn't have 3 ocean-going ships until Lemass got going in 1942.

Even at that, they were little more than hulks.

>Meanwhile, and afterwards, all Irisih imports crossed the German Uboat
>blockade in British ships or ships in British-controlled convoys.

And at the very bottom of the UK priority list understandably.

>>>I'm sure the British were terribly annoyed that Ireland remained
>>>neutral during WWII.
>>
>>Handing back the treaty ports in 1938 was a gross act of stupidity.
>
>It just proved, once again, that appeasement didn't work. For all de
>Valera's encouraging noises about how dealing with such "injustices"
>would improve relations, the British lost in the exchange and gained
>nothing in return.

A ludicrous decision which cost the lives of thousands both directly and
indirectly.


greg




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[Spiv]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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> "Spiv" > wrote in message
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> > > Now last time I checked Dublin was a LONG way from Liverpool
> > > so pray tell how having its lights could aid the Luftwaffe target
that
> > city
> > > ?
> >
> > It is due west of Liverpool. See Dublin to the west
> > then steer due east and you hit it.
>
> Or Holyhead, Colwyn Bay, Birkenhead etc.

Birkenhead is opposite Liverpool, then they see the large cathedral tower
and then the convoy docks are beneath. Birkenhead is part of the Mersey
dock complex and was also heavily bombed.

> Fact is Luftwaffe bases were in Norway and France, they werent
> about to fly across the entire width of England, cross the Irish Sea
> and then come back again. Its just silly.

You obviously don't know. German bases were well into France and they flew
up the Irish Sea to get Liverpool, Belfast and Glasgow. The Norwegian based
planes would go across the North Sea.



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[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
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>
> Birkenhead is opposite Liverpool, then they see the large cathedral tower
> and then the convoy docks are beneath. Birkenhead is part of the Mersey
> dock complex and was also heavily bombed.
>

If they can see those things then the lights of Dublin are
indeed irrelevant, note while the Anglican cathedral was
started in 1904 it wasnt completed intil 1960 so I suspect the
highly visible waterfront was rather more of a clue at night.


> > Fact is Luftwaffe bases were in Norway and France, they werent
> > about to fly across the entire width of England, cross the Irish Sea
> > and then come back again. Its just silly.
>
> You obviously don't know. German bases were well into France and they
flew
> up the Irish Sea to get Liverpool, Belfast and Glasgow.

Indeed which meant turning right and following the coast of Walese
not turning left to Ireland.

> The Norwegian based
> planes would go across the North Sea.
>

A route that hardly goes via Dublin

Keith

[Spiv]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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> "Spiv" > wrote in message
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> > Birkenhead is opposite Liverpool,
> > then they see the large cathedral tower
> > and then the convoy docks are beneath.
> > Birkenhead is part of the Mersey
> > dock complex and was also heavily bombed.
>
> If they can see those things then the lights of Dublin are
> indeed irrelevant,

You are very bright are you? The lights of Dublin guided the bombers to
Liverpool, the tower told them they were there.

> note while the Anglican cathedral was
> started in 1904 it wasnt completed intil 1960

Competed in 1979 with its work force off to New York to work at St. John's.
The tower was complete in the 1920-30s

> so I suspect the highly visible waterfront
> was rather more of a clue at night.

The tower was the giveaway.

> > > Fact is Luftwaffe bases were in Norway and France, they werent
> > > about to fly across the entire width of England, cross the Irish Sea
> > > and then come back again. Its just silly.
> >
> > You obviously don't know. German bases were well into France and they
> flew
> > up the Irish Sea to get Liverpool, Belfast and Glasgow.
>
> Indeed which meant turning right and following the coast of Walese
> not turning left to Ireland.

Go away! You don't say. You figured that one out!

> > The Norwegian based
> > planes would go across the North Sea.
>
> A route that hardly goes via Dublin

You figured that one out too! You are hard of thinking.


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[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
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> >
> > If they can see those things then the lights of Dublin are
> > indeed irrelevant,
>
> You are very bright are you? The lights of Dublin guided the bombers to
> Liverpool, the tower told them they were there.
>

So do you believe they could see the tower from Dublin ?

> > note while the Anglican cathedral was
> > started in 1904 it wasnt completed intil 1960
>
> Competed in 1979 with its work force off to New York to work at St.
John's.
> The tower was complete in the 1920-30s
>
> > so I suspect the highly visible waterfront
> > was rather more of a clue at night.
>
> The tower was the giveaway.
>

No lights needed then

> > > > Fact is Luftwaffe bases were in Norway and France, they werent
> > > > about to fly across the entire width of England, cross the Irish Sea
> > > > and then come back again. Its just silly.
> > >
> > > You obviously don't know. German bases were well into France and they
> > flew
> > > up the Irish Sea to get Liverpool, Belfast and Glasgow.
> >
> > Indeed which meant turning right and following the coast of Walese
> > not turning left to Ireland.
>
> Go away! You don't say. You figured that one out!
>

Seems you didnt

> > > The Norwegian based
> > > planes would go across the North Sea.
> >
> > A route that hardly goes via Dublin
>
> You figured that one out too! You are hard of thinking.
>

Better than some it seems.

Keith

[Spiv]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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> > >
> > > If they can see those things then the lights of Dublin are
> > > indeed irrelevant,
> >
> > You are very bright are you? The lights of Dublin guided the bombers to
> > Liverpool, the tower told them they were there.
> >
>
> So do you believe they could see the tower from Dublin ?

** snip **

This is one is half mad.


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[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
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> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > If they can see those things then the lights of Dublin are
> > > > indeed irrelevant,
> > >
> > > You are very bright are you? The lights of Dublin guided the bombers
to
> > > Liverpool, the tower told them they were there.
> > >
> >
> > So do you believe they could see the tower from Dublin ?
>
> ** snip **
>
> This is one is half mad.
>

Whereas you have clearly achived complete insanity.

Keith

[Spiv]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > If they can see those things then the lights of Dublin are
> > > > > indeed irrelevant,
> > > >
> > > > You are very bright are you? The lights of Dublin guided the
bombers
> to
> > > > Liverpool, the tower told them they were there.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So do you believe they could see the tower from Dublin ?
> >
> > ** snip **
> >
> > This is one is half mad.
> >
>
> Whereas you have clearly achived complete insanity.

How old are you?


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[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
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> > Whereas you have clearly achived complete insanity.
>
> How old are you?
>

Old enough to recognise a loon when I see one.

Keith

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> > > Whereas you have clearly achived complete insanity.
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> > How old are you?
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> Old enough to recognise a loon when I see one.

You must look in the mirror at lot then.


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[Keith Willshaw]

"Spiv" > wrote in message
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> > Old enough to recognise a loon when I see one.
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> You must look in the mirror at lot then.
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Every morning when I shave, something you
are apparently not old enough to do yet.

Keith

[Tom Cervo]

Not that anyone's paying attention to the subject line anymore, but there's a
fascinating exchange about it in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, November
1987. pp42-45.
Barton J. Bernstein wrote an article describing "Churchill's Secret Biological
Weapons" in the January/February issue. A response appeared from R.V. Jones and
J.M. Lewis. Jones was head of Scientific Intelligence at the Air Ministry; a
pioneer in the field, if not THE pioneer. He politely but carefully
demonstrated Bernstein's near complete misunderstanding and misuse of the
available information on the subject.
Bernstein's response was the kind of bluster that undergraduates are used to
from tenured professers, and that graduate students are used to hearing from
unprepared lecturers caught out.
In short, anthrax was researched as a possible threat from the enemy and as a
retaliatory weapon in case of attack. There were no plans to use it as an
offensive or "terror" weapon--that's what Bomber Command was for.
The opinion seems to have been that it was like poison gas--difficult to
control and nearly as great a danger to one's own troops as it was to the
enemy. That stocks of gas were kept on hand near all the fronts, but never
used, shows that it was a retaliatory weapon for attacks that never came. Like
anthrax.