ussr vs germany air

[old hoodoo]

Has anyone done any speculation if the Germans could have recovered from the Kursk disaster if they had not had so many fighters
placed towards the west in 1943 and 1944, or had the Russians already achieved a measure of tactical air superiority, both with
their own aircraft and the aircraft supplied by the Allies, that was unbeatable?


al

[Krztalizer]

It was a combined nutcracker - the LW was faced with an impossible task of
providing CAS in the east, air defence over the Deutschesheimat twenty four
hours of the day, and somehow cover the fighting retreat in the south. As each
"area of concern" bubbled up as Priority #1, fighter assets were syphoned away
from the other two. Without any workable solution, the force lost all
effectiveness and was ground into hamburger. Not by the Soviets, not by the
Americans, and not by the British. By all of us, doing our own thing, causing
them to run from one burning barn situation to the next, allowing us to burn
the other barns. That's what really sucks about all the nationalistic BS that
normally accompanies such discussions - folks rarely want to accept that the
Germans were beaten by an Allied concert, not any solo player.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[Jim Doyle]

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
...
> It was a combined nutcracker - the LW was faced with an impossible task of
> providing CAS in the east, air defence over the Deutschesheimat twenty
four
> hours of the day, and somehow cover the fighting retreat in the south. As
each
> "area of concern" bubbled up as Priority #1, fighter assets were syphoned
away
> from the other two. Without any workable solution, the force lost all
> effectiveness and was ground into hamburger. Not by the Soviets, not by
the
> Americans, and not by the British. By all of us, doing our own thing,
causing
> them to run from one burning barn situation to the next, allowing us to
burn
> the other barns. That's what really sucks about all the nationalistic BS
that
> normally accompanies such discussions - folks rarely want to accept that
the
> Germans were beaten by an Allied concert, not any solo player.
>

Bravo to that!

> v/r
> Gordon
> <====(A+C====>
> USN SAR
>
> Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos
to a
> reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.
>

[Keith Willshaw]

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
...
> It was a combined nutcracker - the LW was faced with an impossible task of
> providing CAS in the east, air defence over the Deutschesheimat twenty
four
> hours of the day, and somehow cover the fighting retreat in the south. As
each
> "area of concern" bubbled up as Priority #1, fighter assets were syphoned
away
> from the other two. Without any workable solution, the force lost all
> effectiveness and was ground into hamburger. Not by the Soviets, not by
the
> Americans, and not by the British. By all of us, doing our own thing,
causing
> them to run from one burning barn situation to the next, allowing us to
burn
> the other barns. That's what really sucks about all the nationalistic BS
that
> normally accompanies such discussions - folks rarely want to accept that
the
> Germans were beaten by an Allied concert, not any solo player.
>
>

Well said

Keith

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, Krztalizer
> writes
>Not by the Soviets, not by the
>Americans, and not by the British. By all of us, doing our own thing, causing
>them to run from one burning barn situation to the next, allowing us to burn
>the other barns. That's what really sucks about all the nationalistic BS that
>normally accompanies such discussions - folks rarely want to accept that the
>Germans were beaten by an Allied concert, not any solo player.

Well said, that man.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk