Bridge at Remagen?

[ArtKramr]

Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Keith Willshaw]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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> Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
>

No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.

Keith

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
>From: "Keith Willshaw"
>Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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>> Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
>>
>
>No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
>but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
>Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
>
>Keith
>
>
>
Thanks. I made many trips to Germany on business and the towers always stood.
I just wondered if they rebuilt the bridge in recent years. I guess they never
will.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Guy Alcala]

ArtKramr wrote:

> >Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
> >From: "Keith Willshaw"
> >Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
> >>
> >
> >No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
> >but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
> >Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> Thanks. I made many trips to Germany on business and the towers always stood.
> I just wondered if they rebuilt the bridge in recent years. I guess they never
> will.

Museum website here:

http://www.bruecke-remagen.de/index_en.htm

Guy

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
>From: Guy Alcala
>Date: 2/7/04 11:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>ArtKramr wrote:
>
>> >Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
>> >From: "Keith Willshaw"
>> >Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
>> >>
>> >
>> >No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
>> >but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
>> >Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
>> >
>> >Keith
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Thanks. I made many trips to Germany on business and the towers always
>stood.
>> I just wondered if they rebuilt the bridge in recent years. I guess they
>never
>> will.
>
>Museum website here:
>
>http://www.bruecke-remagen.de/index_en.htm
>
>Guy
>


Thanks Guy. Interesting. I appreciate it.
Memories.Memories. (sigh)



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
>From: "Keith Willshaw"
>Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>> Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
>>
>
>No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
>but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
>Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
>
>Keith
>
>
>

It wouild be interesting to speculate as to why it was never rebuilt. No longer
needed? National humiliation? If the latter I would think all traces would have
been removed, towers and all. Any theories?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[John Mullen]

ArtKramr wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
>>From: "Keith Willshaw"
>>Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>
>>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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>>
>>>Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
>>>
>>
>>No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
>>but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
>>Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> It wouild be interesting to speculate as to why it was never rebuilt. No longer
> needed? National humiliation? If the latter I would think all traces would have
> been removed, towers and all. Any theories?

According to the site, it was only built as a military link. The
post-war German govt had no need of such.

The Germans are to be commended for their determination to remember
their 20th century militarism, in order to avoid repeating mistakes. I
suppose leaving another memorial here is part of that.

Weren't you tempted to buy a stone?

John

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
>From: John Mullen
>Date: 2/8/04 5:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>ArtKramr wrote:
>>>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
>>>From: "Keith Willshaw"
>>>Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>
>>>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
>>>>
>>>
>>>No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
>>>but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
>>>Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> It wouild be interesting to speculate as to why it was never rebuilt. No
>longer
>> needed? National humiliation? If the latter I would think all traces would
>have
>> been removed, towers and all. Any theories?
>
>According to the site, it was only built as a military link. The
>post-war German govt had no need of such.
>
>The Germans are to be commended for their determination to remember
>their 20th century militarism, in order to avoid repeating mistakes. I
>suppose leaving another memorial here is part of that.
>
>Weren't you tempted to buy a stone?
>
>John
>

No. I have all the mimentos of WW II I will ever need,



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[M. H. Greaves]

being no expert at all, i would say after reading a little of the history
about the bridge, they built it to get arms and equipment across to the west
quickly, either during or before the first war and after its demolition and
the war, it probably wasnt needed anymore, but i think also there may be a
little national humiliation involved!
"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
> >From: "Keith Willshaw"
> >Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
> >>
> >
> >No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
> >but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
> >Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
>
> It wouild be interesting to speculate as to why it was never rebuilt. No
longer
> needed? National humiliation? If the latter I would think all traces would
have
> been removed, towers and all. Any theories?
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[Keith Willshaw]

"M. H. Greaves" > wrote in message
...
> being no expert at all, i would say after reading a little of the history
> about the bridge, they built it to get arms and equipment across to the
west
> quickly, either during or before the first war and after its demolition
and
> the war, it probably wasnt needed anymore, but i think also there may be a
> little national humiliation involved!

If it was a matter of national humiliation they would scarcely
have built a museum there. Its simply no longer required.

Keith

[Guy Alcala]

Keith Willshaw wrote:

> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote in message
> ...
> > being no expert at all, i would say after reading a little of the history
> > about the bridge, they built it to get arms and equipment across to the
> west
> > quickly, either during or before the first war and after its demolition
> and
> > the war, it probably wasnt needed anymore, but i think also there may be a
> > little national humiliation involved!
>
> If it was a matter of national humiliation they would scarcely
> have built a museum there. Its simply no longer required.

That seems to be the case. The museum website includes a map of the area, and
looking at it there appear to be several bridges just to either side of Remagen,
some having autobahns passing over them.

Guy

[Guy Alcala]

ArtKramr wrote:

<snip>

> >Museum website here:
> >
> >http://www.bruecke-remagen.de/index_en.htm
> >
> >Guy
> >
>
> Thanks Guy. Interesting. I appreciate it.
> Memories.Memories. (sigh)

My Dad's memories of the bridge include being just missed by strafing while
waiting to cross. It was also the first time he saw a jet.

Guy

[M. H. Greaves]

Possibly, but maybe there are still some ex wermacht members who have a
certain amount of pride in their unit/exploits, etc, and wanted to remember
his fallen kameraden!!?
"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
...
>
> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote in message
> ...
> > being no expert at all, i would say after reading a little of the
history
> > about the bridge, they built it to get arms and equipment across to the
> west
> > quickly, either during or before the first war and after its demolition
> and
> > the war, it probably wasnt needed anymore, but i think also there may be
a
> > little national humiliation involved!
>
> If it was a matter of national humiliation they would scarcely
> have built a museum there. Its simply no longer required.
>
> Keith
>
>

[Keith Willshaw]

"M. H. Greaves" > wrote in message
...
> Possibly, but maybe there are still some ex wermacht members who have a
> certain amount of pride in their unit/exploits, etc, and wanted to
remember
> his fallen kameraden!!?

Which would hardly explain the Stars and Stripes flying from the
tower of the bridge

Keith

[The Enlightenment]

John Mullen > wrote in message >...
> ArtKramr wrote:
> >>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
> >>From: "Keith Willshaw"
> >>Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >>Message-id: >
> >>
> >>
> >>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
> >>>
> >>
> >>No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still there
> >>but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
> >>Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
> >>
> >>Keith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > It wouild be interesting to speculate as to why it was never rebuilt. No longer
> > needed? National humiliation? If the latter I would think all traces would have
> > been removed, towers and all. Any theories?
>
> According to the site, it was only built as a military link. The
> post-war German govt had no need of such.
>
> The Germans are to be commended for their determination to remember
> their 20th century militarism, in order to avoid repeating mistakes. I
> suppose leaving another memorial here is part of that.

The Germans deserve sympathy and the truth. They were no more at
fault than anyone else for the fratracidal idiocy that was WW1. The
German states both before and after unification in 1877 were much less
militaristic than the war mongering British or the vain glorious
French as measured by military involvements.

My god the British even were arsehole enough to help the Turks against
the Russians in the Crimea. The Russians were trying to help their
Christian brothers against yet another Ottoman invasion. What a bunch
of pricks were they! The same *******s that fabricated attrocities
to lure the English people into a war when infact they had secret
treaties requiring a war!

Hitler was a symptom along the way to war rather than a cause: if the
war had not been fought then that would be good, if the Germans had of
won the world would probably be a better place; it could scarcely be
worse than the degeneration we see in Britain and the UK now.

The germans are a dying race with the birth rate at less than 1.38
children per couple (source fertility data from CIA world fact book)
and at that rate are disappering at the rate of 35% per 20 year
generation: they'll be gone in less than 60 years and a minority in
their own country in less: replaced by immigrants and the fe remanents
will most certainly be a few mullatos.

The rest of Europe, the UK and USA is following them.

Part of the reason is the relentless and malevolent ethnophobic
propaganda against Germans (and Eruopeans) that has sought to destroy
an entire race of people by destroying and damaging their culture.

Every time I seel one of Spielbergs stupid technically inaccurate
movies or series films I can see the hatred of this beaked turd
effusing. They deserve commendation credit for putting up with this
****wit.





>
> Weren't you tempted to buy a stone?
>
> John

[Keith Willshaw]

"The Enlightenment" > wrote in message
m...
> John Mullen > wrote in message
>...
> > ArtKramr wrote:

>
> The Germans deserve sympathy and the truth. They were no more at
> fault than anyone else for the fratracidal idiocy that was WW1.

Apart from the blank cheque they gave to Austria Hungary that is

> The
> German states both before and after unification in 1877 were much less
> militaristic than the war mongering British or the vain glorious
> French as measured by military involvements.
>
> My god the British even were arsehole enough to help the Turks against
> the Russians in the Crimea. The Russians were trying to help their
> Christian brothers against yet another Ottoman invasion.

Well hardly, the British were following their old policy of
not allowing any one country to become pre-eminent and
the trigger was an attempt by the Russians to seize Ottoman
territory not vice versa. The proximate cause was in fact
that in 1853, Russia invaded Turkish Moldavia and Wallachia
which were autonomous areas within the Ottoman Empire.


> What a bunch
> of pricks were they! The same *******s that fabricated attrocities
> to lure the English people into a war when infact they had secret
> treaties requiring a war!
>

There was nothing secret about those treaties

> Hitler was a symptom along the way to war rather than a cause: if the
> war had not been fought then that would be good, if the Germans had of
> won the world would probably be a better place; it could scarcely be
> worse than the degeneration we see in Britain and the UK now.
>

Unless you are Jewish , a Slav, black , homosesual, Romany etc

> The germans are a dying race with the birth rate at less than 1.38
> children per couple (source fertility data from CIA world fact book)
> and at that rate are disappering at the rate of 35% per 20 year
> generation: they'll be gone in less than 60 years and a minority in
> their own country in less: replaced by immigrants and the fe remanents
> will most certainly be a few mullatos.
>
> The rest of Europe, the UK and USA is following them.
>
> Part of the reason is the relentless and malevolent ethnophobic
> propaganda against Germans (and Eruopeans) that has sought to destroy
> an entire race of people by destroying and damaging their culture.
>
> Every time I seel one of Spielbergs stupid technically inaccurate
> movies or series films I can see the hatred of this beaked turd
> effusing. They deserve commendation credit for putting up with this
> ****wit.
>

You are a truly sick individual

Keith

[M. H. Greaves]

Has anyone here used this abusive language at you?? NO, so please dont use
it against us, theres really no need for it, Thanks, i feel better for
that!!
"The Enlightenment" > wrote in message
m...
> John Mullen > wrote in message
>...
> > ArtKramr wrote:
> > >>Subject: Re: Bridge at Remagen?
> > >>From: "Keith Willshaw"
> > >>Date: 2/6/04 6:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
> > >>Message-id: >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >>
> > >>>Was the bridge at Remagen ever rebuilt?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>No , I drove past the spot some years ago and the towers are still
there
> > >>but the span was never rebuilt. There was US flag on the West
> > >>Bank tower IRC, a plaque and a small museum.
> > >>
> > >>Keith
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > It wouild be interesting to speculate as to why it was never rebuilt.
No longer
> > > needed? National humiliation? If the latter I would think all traces
would have
> > > been removed, towers and all. Any theories?
> >
> > According to the site, it was only built as a military link. The
> > post-war German govt had no need of such.
> >
> > The Germans are to be commended for their determination to remember
> > their 20th century militarism, in order to avoid repeating mistakes. I
> > suppose leaving another memorial here is part of that.
>
> The Germans deserve sympathy and the truth. They were no more at
> fault than anyone else for the fratracidal idiocy that was WW1. The
> German states both before and after unification in 1877 were much less
> militaristic than the war mongering British or the vain glorious
> French as measured by military involvements.
>
> My god the British even were arsehole enough to help the Turks against
> the Russians in the Crimea. The Russians were trying to help their
> Christian brothers against yet another Ottoman invasion. What a bunch
> of pricks were they! The same *******s that fabricated attrocities
> to lure the English people into a war when infact they had secret
> treaties requiring a war!
>
> Hitler was a symptom along the way to war rather than a cause: if the
> war had not been fought then that would be good, if the Germans had of
> won the world would probably be a better place; it could scarcely be
> worse than the degeneration we see in Britain and the UK now.
>
> The germans are a dying race with the birth rate at less than 1.38
> children per couple (source fertility data from CIA world fact book)
> and at that rate are disappering at the rate of 35% per 20 year
> generation: they'll be gone in less than 60 years and a minority in
> their own country in less: replaced by immigrants and the fe remanents
> will most certainly be a few mullatos.
>
> The rest of Europe, the UK and USA is following them.
>
> Part of the reason is the relentless and malevolent ethnophobic
> propaganda against Germans (and Eruopeans) that has sought to destroy
> an entire race of people by destroying and damaging their culture.
>
> Every time I seel one of Spielbergs stupid technically inaccurate
> movies or series films I can see the hatred of this beaked turd
> effusing. They deserve commendation credit for putting up with this
> ****wit.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Weren't you tempted to buy a stone?
> >
> > John

[M. H. Greaves]

hheh heh, i know, but...
"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
...
>
> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Possibly, but maybe there are still some ex wermacht members who have a
> > certain amount of pride in their unit/exploits, etc, and wanted to
> remember
> > his fallen kameraden!!?
>
> Which would hardly explain the Stars and Stripes flying from the
> tower of the bridge
>
> Keith
>
>

[David Lednicer]

It was never rebuilt and the supports in the middle of the river were
removed in the last 10-15 years. I've read that the German railway
administration decided after the war that they didn't need it.

I was there in 2000. There is an anti-war museum in the western towers
and lots of plaques. Best way to get to it is park in town and walk
down the waterfront. Here is a pic: http://home.sprynet.com/~anneled/
Remagen1.JPG