flying!

[M. H. Greaves]

i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying in
itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!

[W. D. Allen Sr.]

"Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"

end


"M. H. Greaves" > wrote in message
...
> i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying in
> itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
> just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!
>
>

[Mike Marron]

>"W. D. Allen Sr." > wrote:
>>"M. H. Greaves" > wrote:

>>i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying in
>>itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
>>just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!

>"Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"

Personally, I've never bought into either one of those oft-repeated
sayings. Flying IS inherently dangerous and anyone who flies around
"bored" for hours is obviously in the wrong business. I'm never bored
when I fly. Truth be known, I thrive on that low-level feeling of
anxiety I get when flying...

Student pilot--a Cessna pilot

Private pilot--a renter pilot

Commercial pilot--a pilot in debt

Physician pilot--a Bonanza pilot

Helicopter pilot--a doomed pilot

Flight Instructor--starving pilot

A "real" pilot-- a multi-engine pilot

Fearless pilot--a kitplane pilot

Cocky pilot--a fighter pilot

Wheelchair pilot--a former ultralight pilot

Super pilot--a test pilot

Airline Captain--God pilot

A junior airline pilot--a furloughed pilot

Grounded pilot--a broke pilot

Hang gliding pilot--flies in a leg cast

Ex-pilot--a newlywed pilot

Anti-pilot--a homeowner

Supreme Pilot--FAA pilot

Delusional pilot--a Supreme Pilot

Happy pilot--all pilots

[M. H. Greaves]

yup!
"W. D. Allen Sr." > wrote in message
...
> "Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"
>
> end
>
>
> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote in message
> ...
> > i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying
in
> > itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
> > just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!
> >
> >
>
>

[M. H. Greaves]

thank you for that!
"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> >"W. D. Allen Sr." > wrote:
> >>"M. H. Greaves" > wrote:
>
> >>i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying
in
> >>itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
> >>just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!
>
> >"Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"
>
> Personally, I've never bought into either one of those oft-repeated
> sayings. Flying IS inherently dangerous and anyone who flies around
> "bored" for hours is obviously in the wrong business. I'm never bored
> when I fly. Truth be known, I thrive on that low-level feeling of
> anxiety I get when flying...
>
> Student pilot--a Cessna pilot
>
> Private pilot--a renter pilot
>
> Commercial pilot--a pilot in debt
>
> Physician pilot--a Bonanza pilot
>
> Helicopter pilot--a doomed pilot
>
> Flight Instructor--starving pilot
>
> A "real" pilot-- a multi-engine pilot
>
> Fearless pilot--a kitplane pilot
>
> Cocky pilot--a fighter pilot
>
> Wheelchair pilot--a former ultralight pilot
>
> Super pilot--a test pilot
>
> Airline Captain--God pilot
>
> A junior airline pilot--a furloughed pilot
>
> Grounded pilot--a broke pilot
>
> Hang gliding pilot--flies in a leg cast
>
> Ex-pilot--a newlywed pilot
>
> Anti-pilot--a homeowner
>
> Supreme Pilot--FAA pilot
>
> Delusional pilot--a Supreme Pilot
>
> Happy pilot--all pilots
>
>
>
>

[George Z. Bush]

Mike Marron wrote:
>> "W. D. Allen Sr." > wrote:
>>> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote:
>
>>> i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying in
>>> itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
>>> just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!
>
>> "Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"
>
> Personally, I've never bought into either one of those oft-repeated
> sayings. Flying IS inherently dangerous and anyone who flies around
> "bored" for hours is obviously in the wrong business.....

Mike, you obviously have never experienced the pleasures of an AEW mission where
you flew for an hour and a half to get to your station, then flew racetrack
patterns for 13 hours, then another hour and a half to get home. I did that
more than once out of Otis AFB on Cape Cod to a station just off Sable Island in
RC-121s. You don't know what boredom is until you've done that once or twice.
(^-^)))

George Z.

[Mike Marron]

>"George Z. Bush" > wrote:

[snip]

>You don't know what boredom is until you've done that once or twice.
>(^-^)))

Arguing with McNicoll? ;)

[B2431]

>From: "George Z. Bush"

>Mike Marron wrote:
>>> "W. D. Allen Sr." > wrote:
>>>> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote:
>>
>>>> i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying in
>>>> itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
>>>> just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!
>>
>>> "Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"
>>
>> Personally, I've never bought into either one of those oft-repeated
>> sayings. Flying IS inherently dangerous and anyone who flies around
>> "bored" for hours is obviously in the wrong business.....
>
>Mike, you obviously have never experienced the pleasures of an AEW mission
>where
>you flew for an hour and a half to get to your station, then flew racetrack
>patterns for 13 hours, then another hour and a half to get home. I did that
>more than once out of Otis AFB on Cape Cod to a station just off Sable Island
>in
>RC-121s. You don't know what boredom is until you've done that once or
>twice.
>(^-^)))
>
>George Z.
>

Or orbiting while talking to a submarine from a 135 with LWA.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Krztalizer]

>
>Or orbiting while talking to a submarine from a 135 with LWA.
>

or hanging on two props (other two feathered to increase on station loiter
time) in a P-3 while waiting for a Charlie to make its appearance for 13.6
thoroughly *wasted* hours. Last minute intel update prior to launch showed the
target was in port, thousands of miles away. We still launched, still dropped
barrier after wasted barrier. That was boredom, and as hard as it is to grasp,
that was inflight boredom. Personally, I preferred getting bashed around in
the whiteout conditions at 120 feet, looking through rain squalls for
periscopes in the mist. I always thought of it as my job to take the last
photo prior to impact, so I ended up with dozens of rolls of film of water
rushing by. :) That made up for all those "loitering DFWs" (Designated Fuel
Waste) flights, like the search for that Charlie.

v/r
Gordon

G
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[Mike Marron]

(Krztalizer) wrote:
>>Someone wrote:

>>Or orbiting while talking to a submarine from a 135 with LWA.

>or hanging on two props (other two feathered to increase on station loiter
>time) in a P-3 while waiting for a Charlie to make its appearance for 13.6
>thoroughly *wasted* hours. Last minute intel update prior to launch showed the
>target was in port, thousands of miles away. We still launched, still dropped
>barrier after wasted barrier. That was boredom, and as hard as it is to grasp,
>that was inflight boredom. Personally, I preferred getting bashed around in
>the whiteout conditions at 120 feet, looking through rain squalls for
>periscopes in the mist. I always thought of it as my job to take the last
>photo prior to impact, so I ended up with dozens of rolls of film of water
>rushing by. :) That made up for all those "loitering DFWs" (Designated Fuel
>Waste) flights, like the search for that Charlie.

Oneupsmanship as to whose job was the most BORING. Gotta love it!

[George Z. Bush]

Mike Marron wrote:
>> "George Z. Bush" > wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> You don't know what boredom is until you've done that once or twice.
>> (^-^)))
>
> Arguing with McNicoll? ;)

That, too....but I gave that up for Lent. (^-^))))

George Z.

[KenG]

My contribution. Offutt AFB to Kadena AFB non-stop on Rivet Joint.
Refuel over Alaska. Immediately after refuel, the aircraft was tasked
for a real world tasking. Since my clearance was only Secret, I was
directed to sit in the aft crew-rest seats (aft-facing). I was not to
get up or even look around. 10 hours of pure boredom. 21 hours total
time inflight.
KenG

Mike Marron wrote:
(Krztalizer) wrote:
>>
>>>Someone wrote:
>
>
>>>Or orbiting while talking to a submarine from a 135 with LWA.
>
>
>>or hanging on two props (other two feathered to increase on station loiter
>>time) in a P-3 while waiting for a Charlie to make its appearance for 13.6
>>thoroughly *wasted* hours. Last minute intel update prior to launch showed the
>>target was in port, thousands of miles away. We still launched, still dropped
>>barrier after wasted barrier. That was boredom, and as hard as it is to grasp,
>>that was inflight boredom. Personally, I preferred getting bashed around in
>>the whiteout conditions at 120 feet, looking through rain squalls for
>>periscopes in the mist. I always thought of it as my job to take the last
>>photo prior to impact, so I ended up with dozens of rolls of film of water
>>rushing by. :) That made up for all those "loitering DFWs" (Designated Fuel
>>Waste) flights, like the search for that Charlie.
>
>
> Oneupsmanship as to whose job was the most BORING. Gotta love it!
>
>
>

[Mike Marron]

>KenG > wrote:

>My contribution. Offutt AFB to Kadena AFB non-stop on Rivet Joint.
>Refuel over Alaska. Immediately after refuel, the aircraft was tasked
>for a real world tasking. Since my clearance was only Secret, I was
>directed to sit in the aft crew-rest seats (aft-facing). I was not to
>get up or even look around. 10 hours of pure boredom. 21 hours total
>time inflight.

I feel your pain but that's merely riding along as a passenger not
"flying" (check subject header). Not only is the view better from the
front office but you have things to do up there and aren't quite so
bored.

[Les Matheson]

How about Hurlburt Field, Fl - Al Karjh (PSAB) Saudi Arabia, non-stop in an
MC-130E. 28.5 hrs of total pain. By the end of it we didn't even want to
walk out off the aircraft, we just wanted to fall out of the seats. Then
the (insert expletive here) Saudis made us go through customs with all our
bags (each of us had at least 4 B-4 bags). That took three hours; then we
had to inprocess at the S-1 and then we got billeting assignments.
--
Les
F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret)


"KenG" > wrote in message
m...
> My contribution. Offutt AFB to Kadena AFB non-stop on Rivet Joint.
> Refuel over Alaska. Immediately after refuel, the aircraft was tasked
> for a real world tasking. Since my clearance was only Secret, I was
> directed to sit in the aft crew-rest seats (aft-facing). I was not to
> get up or even look around. 10 hours of pure boredom. 21 hours total
> time inflight.
> KenG
>

[BUFDRVR]

>How about Hurlburt Field, Fl - Al Karjh (PSAB) Saudi Arabia, non-stop in an
>MC-130E.

Barksdale AFB to Korea and back, 33+ hours.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Mike Marron]

(BUFDRVR) wrote:
>>"Les Matheson" > wrote:
>>>KenG > wrote:

>>>My contribution. Offutt AFB to Kadena AFB non-stop on Rivet Joint.
>>>Refuel over Alaska. Immediately after refuel, the aircraft was tasked
>>>for a real world tasking. Since my clearance was only Secret, I was
>>>directed to sit in the aft crew-rest seats (aft-facing). I was not to
>>>get up or even look around. 10 hours of pure boredom. 21 hours total
>>>time inflight.

>>How about Hurlburt Field, Fl - Al Karjh (PSAB) Saudi Arabia, non-stop in an
>>MC-130E. 28.5 hrs of total pain. By the end of it we didn't even want to
>>walk out off the aircraft, we just wanted to fall out of the seats. Then
>>the (insert expletive here) Saudis made us go through customs with all our
>>bags (each of us had at least 4 B-4 bags). That took three hours; then we
>>had to inprocess at the S-1 and then we got billeting assignments.

>Barksdale AFB to Korea and back, 33+ hours.

Try 313 hours 35 minutes (13 days and 13 nights) in the air including
adjusting the points and changing the 200 hp Lycoming's spark plugs
via crawling outside the cockpit and straddling the cowling three
inches away from the spinning prop!!

-From "The Flying Years" by Lou Reichers

[[email protected]]

"George Z. Bush" > wrote:

>Mike Marron wrote:
>>> "W. D. Allen Sr." > wrote:
>>>> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote:
>>
>>>> i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying in
>>>> itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
>>>> just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!
>>
>>> "Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"
>>
>> Personally, I've never bought into either one of those oft-repeated
>> sayings. Flying IS inherently dangerous and anyone who flies around
>> "bored" for hours is obviously in the wrong business.....
>
>Mike, you obviously have never experienced the pleasures of an AEW mission where
>you flew for an hour and a half to get to your station, then flew racetrack
>patterns for 13 hours, then another hour and a half to get home. I did that
>more than once out of Otis AFB on Cape Cod to a station just off Sable Island in
>RC-121s. You don't know what boredom is until you've done that once or twice.
>(^-^)))
>
>George Z.
>
Sounds like an ASW mission!.
--

-Gord.

[[email protected]]

(Krztalizer) wrote:

>>
>>Or orbiting while talking to a submarine from a 135 with LWA.
>>
>
>or hanging on two props (other two feathered to increase on station loiter
>time) in a P-3 while waiting for a Charlie to make its appearance for 13.6
>thoroughly *wasted* hours. Last minute intel update prior to launch showed the
>target was in port, thousands of miles away. We still launched, still dropped
>barrier after wasted barrier. That was boredom, and as hard as it is to grasp,
>that was inflight boredom. Personally, I preferred getting bashed around in
>the whiteout conditions at 120 feet, looking through rain squalls for
>periscopes in the mist. I always thought of it as my job to take the last
>photo prior to impact, so I ended up with dozens of rolls of film of water
>rushing by. :) That made up for all those "loitering DFWs" (Designated Fuel
>Waste) flights, like the search for that Charlie.
>
>v/r
>Gordon
>

That description sounded so familiar that it gave me goose
bumps...the seafloor of the North Atlantic must be ten feet deep
in dead sonos by now...
--

-Gord.

[[email protected]]

Mike Marron > wrote:

(Krztalizer) wrote:
>>>Someone wrote:
>
>>>Or orbiting while talking to a submarine from a 135 with LWA.
>
>>or hanging on two props (other two feathered to increase on station loiter
>>time) in a P-3 while waiting for a Charlie to make its appearance for 13.6
>>thoroughly *wasted* hours. Last minute intel update prior to launch showed the
>>target was in port, thousands of miles away. We still launched, still dropped
>>barrier after wasted barrier. That was boredom, and as hard as it is to grasp,
>>that was inflight boredom. Personally, I preferred getting bashed around in
>>the whiteout conditions at 120 feet, looking through rain squalls for
>>periscopes in the mist. I always thought of it as my job to take the last
>>photo prior to impact, so I ended up with dozens of rolls of film of water
>>rushing by. :) That made up for all those "loitering DFWs" (Designated Fuel
>>Waste) flights, like the search for that Charlie.
>
>Oneupsmanship as to whose job was the most BORING. Gotta love it!
>
>
Oh, I don't know Mike, we get lot's of pleasure from imagining
people like you paying through the nose to keep us up there doing
that... :)
--

-Gord.

[B2431]

>From: "Gord Beaman" )

>
>"George Z. Bush" > wrote:
>
>>Mike Marron wrote:
>>>> "W. D. Allen Sr." > wrote:
>>>>> "M. H. Greaves" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> i read this in a book one night, an extract by Spike Milligan; "flying
>in
>>>>> itself is not inherently dangerous; crashing IS"!!
>>>>> just a little quip, but so true, hadnt thought of it that way!!
>>>
>>>> "Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror!"
>>>
>>> Personally, I've never bought into either one of those oft-repeated
>>> sayings. Flying IS inherently dangerous and anyone who flies around
>>> "bored" for hours is obviously in the wrong business.....
>>
>>Mike, you obviously have never experienced the pleasures of an AEW mission
>where
>>you flew for an hour and a half to get to your station, then flew racetrack
>>patterns for 13 hours, then another hour and a half to get home. I did that
>>more than once out of Otis AFB on Cape Cod to a station just off Sable
>Island in
>>RC-121s. You don't know what boredom is until you've done that once or
>twice.
>>(^-^)))
>>
>>George Z.
>>
>Sounds like an ASW mission!.
>--
>
>-Gord.
>
Or a longwire mission, airborne command post, airborne alert, trash hauler
flight, ferry etc. Let's face it marron's concept of the military comes from
movies.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Mike Marron]

>"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:
>>Mike Marron > wrote:
>>Oneupsmanship as to whose job was the most BORING. Gotta love it!

>Oh, I don't know Mike, we get lot's of pleasure from imagining
>people like you paying through the nose to keep us up there doing
>that... :)

Sorry Gord, but I don't envy ya. :)

[Mike Marron]

> (B2431) wrote:

>Or a longwire mission, airborne command post, airborne alert, trash hauler
>flight, ferry etc.

What did they bring you along for? To carry their pitot tube "remove
before flight" streamers?

>Let's face it marron's concept of the military comes from
>movies.

I dunno danny boy, when I think of you the bumbling TV sitcom
character Ens. Parker (Tim Conway in McHale's Navy) springs
to mind.

[BUFDRVR]

>>Barksdale AFB to Korea and back, 33+ hours.
>
>Try 313 hours 35 minutes (13 days and 13 nights) in the air including
>adjusting the points and changing the 200 hp Lycoming's spark plugs
>via crawling outside the cockpit and straddling the cowling three
>inches away from the spinning prop!!
>
>-From "The Flying Years" by Lou Reichers
Trumped! He wins. Although at least by having to crawl out on the wing you get
both exercise and fresh air.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Mike Marron]

>Mike Marron wrote:
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

>>Barksdale AFB to Korea and back, 33+ hours.

>>Try 313 hours 35 minutes (13 days and 13 nights) in the air including
>>adjusting the points and changing the 200 hp Lycoming's spark plugs
>>via crawling outside the cockpit and straddling the cowling three
>>inches away from the spinning prop!!

>>-From "The Flying Years" by Lou Reichers

>Trumped! He wins. Although at least by having to crawl out on the wing you get
>both exercise and fresh air.

I forgot to mention that this incredible feat was done in a
single-engine monoplane! The following excerpt describes a situation
that developed at the beginning of the second straight week in the air
when the engine began to shake in the motor mounts. One of the two
pilots climbed out on the cowling in front of the cockpit (straddling
it like a horse) and was attempting to fix the motor mount problem
while the other (flying) pilot had shut the engine down and was trying
to stall the airplane to get the prop to stop spinning:

"We changed places again, and I put her into a climb. At 10,000 feet,
Bob crawled out, fastened his belt to the guardrail, and I handed him
the new assembly and the magnetic screw driver. He signaled when
he was braced and ready. I pulled the thorttle back and cut the
switch, then eased back on the control wheel to stall the ship in an
attempt to stop the propeller from turning. At the stall, the plane
shuddered violently and fell off on a wing. I dove her to regain
control, started the engine again and climbed back to 10,000 feet to
try again. In the third attempt, the plane fell into a tight spin,
glueing Bob against the side of the cowl. I lost two thousand feet in
the recovery. Bob crawled back in, shaking like a leaf...."

[Dave Kearton]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
|

| "We changed places again, and I put her into a climb. At 10,000 feet,
| Bob crawled out, fastened his belt to the guardrail, and I handed him
| the new assembly and the magnetic screw driver. |
|
|



I'd love to see Bob's face if you handed him a set of piston rings and
engine bearings.






Cheers


Dave Kearton