"Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans" [Archive]

Tarver Engineering

February 11th 04, 06:26 PM

"Grantland" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Alan Minyard" > wrote+
> >> On 11 Feb 2004 05:59:25 -0800, (Mike) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
> >> >A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
> >> >War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
> >> >angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
> >> >slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
> >> >at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm
> >>
> >> Hopefully this will destroy the political ambitions of Kerry, as he is
a
> >> rabid leftist who would be a disaster as president.
> >
> >The real question becomes, "why did the DNC dump the moderate Govenor
from
> >Vermont, for the most liberal Senator in the US Senate"? The issue could
> >not possibly be "electability".

> Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President; never again will the corrupt
> Repugnikong filth be trusted with power. Never, ever. Enjoy.

John Kerry's only advantage is that the American People do not know who he
is. That advantage is about to evaporate.

Grantland

February 11th 04, 07:18 PM

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

>> Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President; never again will the corrupt
>> Repugnikong filth be trusted with power. Never, ever. Enjoy.
>
>John Kerry's only advantage is that the American People do not know who he
>is. That advantage is about to evaporate.
>
American People = boomer Hippy generation + every-minority-under- the-sun, not
the tight-assed Religious fanatics/insane, rotten war-mongers. Kerry is a war
hero, but that's ok. Bye bye, filth. Bye bye. Forever.

Grantland

Bob McKellar

February 11th 04, 10:32 PM

Mike wrote:

> Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
> A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
> War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
> angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
> slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
> at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm

He should have known she would stupidly go to Hanoi two years later. Did
he neglect to check his crystal ball?

Bob McKellar

Tarver Engineering

February 11th 04, 10:39 PM

Kevin Brooks

February 11th 04, 11:11 PM

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> > Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
> > A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
> > War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
> > angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
> > slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
> > at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm
>
> He should have known she would stupidly go to Hanoi two years later. Did
> he neglect to check his crystal ball?

Kerry seems to have had an ongoing affiliation with Jane's cause; in 1971 he
was in attendance at the "Winter Soldier Investigation", where alleged
Vietnam veterans (I say alleged because as we know now there was a tendency
for some folks to claim combat experience and first hand knowledge of
atrocities, only to find out later that those individuals were either not
ever in Vietnam or were far from the alleged actions described--guy by the
name of B.G. Burkett wrote an interesting book ("Stolen Valor") about the
phenomena) detailed alleged cases of atrocities on a scale that would rival
the escapades of the SS during WWII. The individual who provided the backing
for that dubious endeavor? Jane Fonda.

Brooks

>
> Bob McKellar
>

Stephen Harding

February 11th 04, 11:41 PM

Bob McKellar wrote:
>
> Mike wrote:
>
>
>>Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
>>A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
>>War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
>>angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
>>slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
>>at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm
>
>
> He should have known she would stupidly go to Hanoi two years later. Did
> he neglect to check his crystal ball?

If you're in politics in modern day USA, the crystal ball is
assumed for all players. (Reagan should have known the shuttle
would blow; Bush should have known the WTC would be destroyed).

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

SMH

Kevin Brooks

February 12th 04, 12:36 AM

"Stephen Harding" > wrote in message
...
> Bob McKellar wrote:
> >
> > Mike wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
> >>A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
> >>War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
> >>angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
> >>slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
> >>at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm
> >
> >
> > He should have known she would stupidly go to Hanoi two years later.
Did
> > he neglect to check his crystal ball?
>
> If you're in politics in modern day USA, the crystal ball is
> assumed for all players. (Reagan should have known the shuttle
> would blow; Bush should have known the WTC would be destroyed).
>
> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

You are missing the point of the crystal ball allusion in this case; the
poster meant that Kerry had no way of knowing Hanoi Jane would two years
later become...well, Hanoi Jane. But in actuality, Kerry had an apparently
long-running affiliation with Jane in the anti-war movement, including that
appearance in the photo in 1970, and his attendance at the "Winter Soldier
Investigation" fiasco in 1971. Kerry claims to have been the mastermind
behind "Dewey Canyon III", when the VVAW moved onto the Mall and then played
their little games (i.e., fake firefights--wonder how that would go down in
today's security environment?) on the Capitol steps, and his now famous
discarding of his medals (oops, that's right--*someone else's* medals),
while he wore his ridiculous fatigues-with-ribbons ensemble. Jane Fonda was
a *big* supporter of VVAW, and reportedly underwrote the whole "Winter
Soldier" event (conducted in Detroit of all places, because Jane thought it
more "real" than DC).

And now we have Kerry questioning the President's reserve drill attendance
record. A poster in another NG brought up an interesting point--Kerry, a
USNR officer with a service commitment, acknowledges he received an early
release from active duty and his Admiral's aide duty. What was *his*
subsequent reserve obligation, which he apparently never performed (running
those rallies with the VVAW would not have been conducive to attending
weekend drills...)? Will our media give equal consideration to investigating
*his* records background vis a vis any reserve commitment he may not have
actually completed?

Brooks
>
>
> SMH
>

B2431

February 12th 04, 12:51 AM

>From: (Grantland)
>Date: 2/11/2004 1:18 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
>>> Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President; never again will the corrupt
>>> Repugnikong filth be trusted with power. Never, ever. Enjoy.
>>
>>John Kerry's only advantage is that the American People do not know who he
>>is. That advantage is about to evaporate.
>>
>American People = boomer Hippy generation + every-minority-under- the-sun,
>not
>the tight-assed Religious fanatics/insane, rotten war-mongers. Kerry is a
>war
>hero, but that's ok. Bye bye, filth. Bye bye. Forever.
>
>Grantland
>
>
Have you ever had a mature discussion with an adult? Based on your postings I
seriously doubt it.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

S. Sampson

February 12th 04, 12:53 AM

"Stephen Harding" > wrote
>
> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative government,
and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the silent
majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of government,
like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should distribute
the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic serfdom
versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).

Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.

S. Sampson

February 12th 04, 12:57 AM

>From: (Grantland)
>
> Kerry is a war hero...

Hmm, Benedict Arnold was a highly decorated American officer, and also
a war hero.

Kevin Brooks

February 12th 04, 01:13 AM

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: (Grantland)
> >Date: 2/11/2004 1:18 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
> >
> >>> Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President; never again will the
corrupt
> >>> Repugnikong filth be trusted with power. Never, ever. Enjoy.
> >>
> >>John Kerry's only advantage is that the American People do not know who
he
> >>is. That advantage is about to evaporate.
> >>
> >American People = boomer Hippy generation + every-minority-under-
the-sun,
> >not
> >the tight-assed Religious fanatics/insane, rotten war-mongers. Kerry is
a
> >war
> >hero, but that's ok. Bye bye, filth. Bye bye. Forever.
> >
> >Grantland
> >
> >
> Have you ever had a mature discussion with an adult? Based on your
postings I
> seriously doubt it.

Dan, think man, think! You just asked him if he had ever had a mature
discussion with an *adult*, in relation to his comments to the
*tarvernaut*?! Obviously you are suffering from sleep deprivation... :)

(And I completely understand the thrust of your comment vis a vis the
poster's demonstrated lack of maturity--which is why I killfiled him about
the same time I did so with the tarvernaut)

Brooks

>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>

George Z. Bush

February 12th 04, 01:46 AM

S. Sampson wrote:
> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
>>
>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
>
> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative government,
> and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the silent
> majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of government,
> like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should distribute
> the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
> determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic serfdom
> versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).
>
> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.

You got any way of proving any of what you're saying or are you making it all up
as you go along?

George Z.

S. Sampson

February 12th 04, 01:49 AM

"George Z. Bush" > wrote
> S. Sampson wrote:
> > "Stephen Harding" > wrote
> >>
> >> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> >> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
> >
> > It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative government,
> > and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the silent
> > majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of government,
> > like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should distribute
> > the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
> > determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic serfdom
> > versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).
> >
> > Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
>
> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying

Yes.

> or are you making it all up as you go along?

No.

George Z. Bush

February 12th 04, 01:51 AM

S. Sampson wrote:
>> From: (Grantland)
>>
>> Kerry is a war hero...
>
> Hmm, Benedict Arnold was a highly decorated American officer, and also
> a war hero.

That's right, and the only difference between him and Kerry was that he was
tried and convicted of being a traitor, and Kerry hasn't to this day been tried
for anything. What the hell was wrong with St. Ronald and Daddy Bush? In the
12 years they were running the country, couldn't they at least have nailed him
for spitting on the sidewalk? What a slack pair they were.....letting a commie
like him run loose for that long without getting the goods on him. Yeah, sure!

George Z.

S. Sampson

February 12th 04, 02:01 AM

"George Z. Bush" > wrote
> S. Sampson wrote:
> >
> > Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
>
> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying?

Read about his extermination voting record:

http://www.gb4hr.net/Pages/WaTimes040702.html

Read the paragraph about his being a communist stooge:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/1/20/131219.shtml

Read about the Chicom's funding his re-election:

http://www.iconoclast.ca/MainPage.asp?page=/NewPage17.asp

Read about his pro-communist stand with Vietnam:

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=5688

etc, etc, etc

George Z. Bush

February 12th 04, 02:06 AM

S. Sampson wrote:
> "George Z. Bush" > wrote
>> S. Sampson wrote:
>>> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
>>>>
>>>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
>>>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
>>>
>>> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative government,
>>> and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the silent
>>> majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of government,
>>> like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should distribute
>>> the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
>>> determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic serfdom
>>> versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).
>>>
>>> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
>>
>> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying
>
> Yes.
>
>> or are you making it all up as you go along?
>
> No.

So, how about sharing your proof with us? How are we supposed to know what's
true and what's not if you don't share with us? I especially want to know how a
guy from Boston who's supposed to be a zillionaire is knee deep in share and
share alike like all good commies are but still has piles of the big bucks.
C'mon, don't hold out on us.....inquiring minds want to know! How can he be a
true commie and still be rich?

George Z.

Tarver Engineering

February 12th 04, 02:37 AM

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
> S. Sampson wrote:
> > "George Z. Bush" > wrote
> >> S. Sampson wrote:
> >>> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
> >>>>
> >>>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> >>>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
> >>>
> >>> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative
government,
> >>> and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the
silent
> >>> majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of
government,
> >>> like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should
distribute
> >>> the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
> >>> determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic
serfdom
> >>> versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).
> >>>
> >>> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
> >>
> >> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> or are you making it all up as you go along?
> >
> > No.
>
> So, how about sharing your proof with us?

Soon enough, George.

McAuliffe should have left the lid on this can of worms.

Tarver Engineering

February 12th 04, 02:42 AM

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
> S. Sampson wrote:
> >> From: (Grantland)
> >>
> >> Kerry is a war hero...
> >
> > Hmm, Benedict Arnold was a highly decorated American officer, and also
> > a war hero.
>
> That's right, and the only difference between him and Kerry was that he
was
> tried and convicted of being a traitor, and Kerry hasn't to this day been
tried
> for anything.

Arnold was never tried, old fool.

Kerry will be tried in the court of public opinion.

"Arnold is a traitor, and has fled to the British! Whom can we trust now?"
said Washington to his officers a few hours later, while the tears rolled
down his cheeks. He soon recovered from his emotion and sent officers to
intercept Arnold; but it was too late, and the following morning the traitor
was safely landed in the city of New York. He received the price of his
perfidy -- six thousand pounds sterling and a command in the British army.

B2431

February 12th 04, 05:31 AM

>From: "Kevin Brooks"

>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: (Grantland)
>> >Date: 2/11/2004 1:18 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President; never again will the
corrupt
>> >>> Repugnikong filth be trusted with power. Never, ever. Enjoy.
>> >>
>> >>John Kerry's only advantage is that the American People do not know who
>he >> >>is. That advantage is about to evaporate.
>> >>
>> >American People = boomer Hippy generation + every-minority-under- the-sun,
>> >not >> >the tight-assed Religious fanatics/insane, rotten war-mongers.
Kerry is >a >> >war >> >hero, but that's ok. Bye bye, filth. Bye bye.
Forever.
>> >
>> >Grantland
>> >
>> >
>> Have you ever had a mature discussion with an adult? Based on your
>postings I
>> seriously doubt it.
>
>Dan, think man, think! You just asked him if he had ever had a mature
>discussion with an *adult*, in relation to his comments to the
>*tarvernaut*?! Obviously you are suffering from sleep deprivation... :)
>
>(And I completely understand the thrust of your comment vis a vis the
>poster's demonstrated lack of maturity--which is why I killfiled him about
>the same time I did so with the tarvernaut)
>
>Brooks
>
>>
Actually grantland is relatively new to me. He seems to be tarver's
intellectual equal and equally ill mannered so I was wondering if they were one
and they same.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Grantland

February 12th 04, 05:55 AM

(B2431) lied, dishonorably:

>Actually grantland is relatively new to me. He seems to be tarver's
>intellectual equal and equally ill mannered so I was wondering if they were one
>and they same.
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, liar

A liar, then, as well as an poisonous alien traitor masquerading as an
"American". Why am I not surprised?

Grantland

ps Tarver, btw, is one of yours. And Minyard, and Kramer, and.. Up against
the wall, the lot of you. Traitors.

Stephen Harding

February 12th 04, 01:27 PM

Kevin Brooks wrote:

> "Stephen Harding" > wrote in message
>>
>>I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
>>anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
>
> You are missing the point of the crystal ball allusion in this case; the
> poster meant that Kerry had no way of knowing Hanoi Jane would two years
> later become...well, Hanoi Jane. But in actuality, Kerry had an apparently

That's precisely the point I was trying to reference, although
perhaps with poor examples.

Playing one's Leftist, anti-war games is one thing; actually
visiting the camp of your active enemy quite another. Yet
this sort of thing has become de rigeur for groups attempting
to score points in opposition to US administration goals.
Quite a few people, some of them prominent, made visits to
Iraq just before the war. They invariably return with a "new
understanding" of the target people who "do not want war".

Unfortunately, the political polarization in the US between
conservative and liberal has become so extreme, that the
slightest "discrepancy" or "fuzzy info" becomes material to
be "spun up" into scandal. Try to put the spin you want on
the info (or lack of it), hand it to selected members of
the press favorable to your views, present it as "news" and
see if it gains "traction".

Both sides do it, but since Republicans have predominately
occupied the White House since Nixon, they have been more
often the targets.

If Kerry thought of being President some day (as apparently
Clinton did from college days), he might have stayed clear
of Jane...but only if he realized the political climate *of the
nation* might change. People get older, sometimes wiser,
friends and cliques separate, and people mature (generally).

The political world you inhabit today might not be the one you
must live and work in 10 or 20 years! And in the current US
political climate, *anything* you do is going to get dredged
up and negatively spun by your political opponents if you run
from President.

These must be great times for private investigators!

SMH

B2431

February 12th 04, 08:28 PM

>From: (Grantland)

>
(B2431) lied, dishonorably:
>
>>Actually grantland is relatively new to me. He seems to be tarver's
>>intellectual equal and equally ill mannered so I was wondering if they were
>one
>>and they same.
>>
>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, liar
>
>A liar, then, as well as an poisonous alien traitor masquerading as an
>"American". Why am I not surprised?
>
>Grantland
>
>ps Tarver, btw, is one of yours. And Minyard, and Kramer, and.. Up against
>the wall, the lot of you. Traitors.
>
The proof I am not lying is in your own words. You ARE ill mannered.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Leslie Swartz

February 12th 04, 09:31 PM

Kerry is the perfect democratic nominee for 2004: he will lose by a wide
margin, on his (popular with democratic base) anti-war, anti-defense,
anti-us sovreignty issues.

This crushing defeat on the basis of core-democrat party issues will further
energize the base, setting St. Billary up for 2008. (Know how much mileage
teh democrats fgot on their "stole the election" myth? This goes away in
2004, and must be replaced with something equally powerful.)

McAuliffe may be a lot of things, but he is no fool.

Steve Swartz

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
> ...
> > S. Sampson wrote:
> > > "George Z. Bush" > wrote
> > >> S. Sampson wrote:
> > >>> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> > >>>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
> > >>>
> > >>> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative
> government,
> > >>> and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the
> silent
> > >>> majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of
> government,
> > >>> like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should
> distribute
> > >>> the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
> > >>> determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic
> serfdom
> > >>> versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).
> > >>>
> > >>> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
> > >>
> > >> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > >> or are you making it all up as you go along?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > So, how about sharing your proof with us?
>
> Soon enough, George.
>
> McAuliffe should have left the lid on this can of worms.
>
>

Tarver Engineering

February 12th 04, 09:37 PM

"Leslie Swartz" > wrote in message
...
> Kerry is the perfect democratic nominee for 2004: he will lose by a wide
> margin, on his (popular with democratic base) anti-war, anti-defense,
> anti-us sovreignty issues.

Now that there are signs Kerry was nailing interns, Dean may find new life.
It seems Clark blew the whistle on John Kerry.

> This crushing defeat on the basis of core-democrat party issues will
further
> energize the base, setting St. Billary up for 2008. (Know how much
mileage
> teh democrats fgot on their "stole the election" myth? This goes away in
> 2004, and must be replaced with something equally powerful.)

A phoenix rises from the ashes.

> McAuliffe may be a lot of things, but he is no fool.

I think McAuliffe is a retard; a Neil Bush like dupe.

> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > S. Sampson wrote:
> > > > "George Z. Bush" > wrote
> > > >> S. Sampson wrote:
> > > >>> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> > > >>>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative
> > government,
> > > >>> and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the
> > silent
> > > >>> majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of
> > government,
> > > >>> like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should
> > distribute
> > > >>> the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than
capitalists
> > > >>> determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic
> > serfdom
> > > >>> versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
> > > >>
> > > >> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > >> or are you making it all up as you go along?
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > >
> > > So, how about sharing your proof with us?
> >
> > Soon enough, George.
> >
> > McAuliffe should have left the lid on this can of worms.
> >
> >
>
>

Steve R.

February 13th 04, 01:45 AM

"Grantland" > wrote in message
...
> American People = boomer Hippy generation + every-minority-under- the-sun,
not
> the tight-assed Religious fanatics/insane, rotten war-mongers. Kerry is a
war
> hero, but that's ok. Bye bye, filth. Bye bye. Forever.
>
> Grantland
>
>

(Me thinks somebody smoking too much crack......)

Tarver Engineering

February 13th 04, 02:59 AM

"Steve R." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Grantland" > wrote in message
> ...
> > American People = boomer Hippy generation + every-minority-under-
the-sun,
> not
> > the tight-assed Religious fanatics/insane, rotten war-mongers. Kerry is
a
> war
> > hero, but that's ok. Bye bye, filth. Bye bye. Forever.

> (Me thinks somebody smoking too much crack......)

Enbalming fluid.

Jack

February 13th 04, 09:48 PM

On 2/11/04 5:41 PM, in article , "Stephen
Harding" > wrote:

> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

That is hardly a complement.

They were and are a naïve/cowardly/stupid/traitorous [pick one or more] lot.

-----
Jack
-----

Cub Driver

February 13th 04, 10:50 PM

The New York Times published the pretty picture of Jane with a toothy
young Kerry behind her in today's paper, along with a story.

You might have to sign in to read it, but hey! you ought to be
registered with the NYT in any event.

http://tinyurl.com/375q3

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Jim Yanik

February 14th 04, 01:34 AM

Jack > wrote in
:

> On 2/11/04 5:41 PM, in article , "Stephen
> Harding" > wrote:
>
>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
>
> That is hardly a complement.
>
> They were and are a naïve/cowardly/stupid/traitorous [pick one or
> more] lot.
>
>
> -----
> Jack
> -----
>
>

Many of the anti-war efforts were instigated and funded by the Soviets,I've
read.(according to recently released documents from the fUSSR.)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

Marc Reeve

February 14th 04, 03:45 AM

George Z. Bush > wrote:
> S. Sampson wrote:
> > "George Z. Bush" > wrote
> >> S. Sampson wrote:
> >>> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
> >>>>
> >>>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> >>>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
> >>>
> >>> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative
> >>> government, and thought that a vocal minority should have more power
> >>> than the silent majority of the republic. He was anti-government.
> >>> His view of government, like all communists, is that a Central
> >>> Planning Authority should distribute the revenue to the communes
> >>> (Party organs), rather than capitalists determining what was viable
> >>> based on the market. It's the classic serfdom versus freedom struggle
> >>> (communists versus capitalists).
> >>>
> >>> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
> >>
> >> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> or are you making it all up as you go along?
> >
> > No.
>
> So, how about sharing your proof with us? How are we supposed to know
> what's true and what's not if you don't share with us? I especially want
> to know how a guy from Boston who's supposed to be a zillionaire is knee
> deep in share and share alike like all good commies are but still has
> piles of the big bucks. C'mon, don't hold out on us.....inquiring minds
> want to know! How can he be a true commie and still be rich?
>
Well, he did marry rather well...

-Marc
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George Z. Bush

February 14th 04, 08:05 AM

Marc Reeve wrote:
> George Z. Bush > wrote:
>> S. Sampson wrote:
>>> "George Z. Bush" > wrote
>>>> S. Sampson wrote:
>>>>> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
>>>>>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative
>>>>> government, and thought that a vocal minority should have more power
>>>>> than the silent majority of the republic. He was anti-government.
>>>>> His view of government, like all communists, is that a Central
>>>>> Planning Authority should distribute the revenue to the communes
>>>>> (Party organs), rather than capitalists determining what was viable
>>>>> based on the market. It's the classic serfdom versus freedom struggle
>>>>> (communists versus capitalists).
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
>>>>
>>>> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> or are you making it all up as you go along?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> So, how about sharing your proof with us? How are we supposed to know
>> what's true and what's not if you don't share with us? I especially want
>> to know how a guy from Boston who's supposed to be a zillionaire is knee
>> deep in share and share alike like all good commies are but still has
>> piles of the big bucks. C'mon, don't hold out on us.....inquiring minds
>> want to know! How can he be a true commie and still be rich?
>>
> Well, he did marry rather well...

He was a millionaire in his own right before he married into the Heinz fortune.
In other words, you were just blowing smoke.

George Z.

Steve R.

February 14th 04, 10:30 AM

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
> He was a millionaire in his own right before he married into the Heinz
fortune.
> In other words, you were just blowing smoke.
>
> George Z.

I guess the $300 million that John Kerry's first wife Julia Thorne was worth
had nothing to do with it?

Monday, May 12, 2003 2:08 PM
...."But the press has been far kinder to Democratic presidential
front-runner John Kerry, who, according to published accounts going back
more than a decade, began extricating himself from his first marriage to
Philadelphia heiress Julia Thorne at the same time she was battling a case
of depression so debilitating that it drove her to the brink of suicide.
In an attempt to explain why he decided not to let his wife's precarious
mental state derail his 1982 bid to become Michael Dukakis' lieutenant
governor, Kerry told the New Yorker magazine last December, "When I get
focused and set out to do something, I'm pretty good at staying focused."

"You don't want to let yourself down, you know what I'm saying?" added the
ambitious Democrat without a hint of irony.

Thorne, whose family is reportedly worth $300 million, married Kerry in
1970. According the New Yorker's Joe Klein, the couple's friends said Julia
was not a typical political wife.

"There were times at dinner parties when John would be very pompous, unable
to control his impulse to make a speech," one acquaintance told the writer.
"It was all slightly laughable, and Julia was one of those who laughed.
She'd say things like, 'What the f--k did you just say?'"

Kerry's career focus was so intense that Thorne apparently felt she was an
impediment to her husband's ambitions. In her 1994 book about that period in
her life, titled "You Are Not Alone," she wrote:

"I could no longer pretend I was of use to my husband or my children. ... I
knew that, once I was gone, my family and friends would be relieved of the
burden of my incompetency."

By Thorne's own account, she began to contemplate suicide a full two years
before Kerry ratcheted up his 1982 campaign. Reviewing her book shortly
after it was published, the Boston Globe reported: "One night in 1980, Julia
Thorne put her children to bed and then sat on the edge of her own bed to
contemplate suicide. She was exhausted - overwhelmed by despair,
self-loathing and pain. She wanted to lie down. Curl up. Sleep forever."

The Kerrys were separated in 1982 but didn't divorce until 1988.

Press summaries of the New Yorker report focused on other details of Kerry's
life story, such as his Vietnam heroism. Most omitted any mention of Kerry's
first wife altogether, a fact that likely pleased the Massachusetts
Democrat. "Kerry is understandably loath to talk about the details of the
marriage," noted Klein.

In response to the New Yorker report, Sen. Kerry wrote what was described as
"an anguished letter" of protest to the magazine. Thorne's two daughters by
Kerry also registered their displeasure. Their mother, who has since
conquered her depression and is happily remarried and living in Montana,
told the Globe, "I support John's [presidential] candidacy, and I believe in
John's candidacy. I think he is an immensely talented statesman, and I am
100 percent behind him."

But previous reports indicate that Thorne had problems with Kerry even after
they split 21 years ago.

During the period the Kerrys were separated, for instance, the senator
apparently felt little constrained by his marital vows. Gossip columns at
the time linked him to Morgan Fairchild, Cornelia Guest and even President
Reagan's liberal daughter, Patti Davis. An upcoming Boston Globe expose will
reportedly feature details of the Massachusetts Democrat's 1980s affair with
a 25-year-old British reporter.

According to a previous account offered by the paper, the fact that Kerry
was still technically married till 1988 "reportedly came as a surprise to
some of his frequent companions."

Just weeks before his May 26, 1995, remarriage to Ketchup heiress Theresa
Heinz, Thorne took Kerry to court in a bid for an increase in child support
payments, arguing that "his income was up substantially," according to the
Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Both Kerry and Thorne denied that the lawsuit had anything to do with Heinz
or her fortune.

But friction arose again two years later when Kerry, a Catholic, applied to
the Washington, D.C., archdiocese to have his marriage to Thorne annulled,
even though the couple had two grown daughters.

Thorne "has written a letter of opposition to the archdiocese because she
feels the process demeans their relationship and their children," reported
the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in 1997.

The paper blamed Kerry's new wife on the annulment bid. His office issued a
terse statement: "Sen. Kerry very much understands Julia's feelings and
appreciates her support. Sen. Kerry believes that this is a private family
matter."

The Washington Times noted in a Kerry profile several years ago that his
critics consider him "a ruthless political opportunist." Given some of the
more obscure details of Kerry's first marriage, that assessment may not be
too far off the mark.

Marc Reeve

February 15th 04, 02:28 AM

George Z. Bush > wrote:
> Marc Reeve wrote:
> > George Z. Bush > wrote:
> >> S. Sampson wrote:
> >>> "George Z. Bush" > wrote
> >>>> S. Sampson wrote:
> >>>>> "Stephen Harding" > wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
> >>>>>> anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative
> >>>>> government, and thought that a vocal minority should have more power
> >>>>> than the silent majority of the republic. He was anti-government.
> >>>>> His view of government, like all communists, is that a Central
> >>>>> Planning Authority should distribute the revenue to the communes
> >>>>> (Party organs), rather than capitalists determining what was viable
> >>>>> based on the market. It's the classic serfdom versus freedom
> >>>>> struggle (communists versus capitalists).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.
> >>>>
> >>>> You got any way of proving any of what you're saying
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>>> or are you making it all up as you go along?
> >>>
> >>> No.
> >>
> >> So, how about sharing your proof with us? How are we supposed to know
> >> what's true and what's not if you don't share with us? I especially
> >> want to know how a guy from Boston who's supposed to be a zillionaire
> >> is knee deep in share and share alike like all good commies are but
> >> still has piles of the big bucks. C'mon, don't hold out on
> >> us.....inquiring minds want to know! How can he be a true commie and
> >> still be rich?
> >>
> > Well, he did marry rather well...
>
> He was a millionaire in his own right before he married into the Heinz
> fortune. In other words, you were just blowing smoke.
>
I have heard that, while there was a certain amount of family money (his
mother was a Forbes, after all), most of his fortune came from his first
wife, Julia Thorne. I may be incorrect in that.

There was a certain amount of snarkiness in my original reply, yes. :)

-Marc

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Tarver Engineering

February 15th 04, 04:02 AM

"Marc Reeve" > wrote in message
. ..
> George Z. Bush > wrote:
> > Marc Reeve wrote:
> > > George Z. Bush > wrote:

> > >> us.....inquiring minds want to know! How can he be a true commie and
> > >> still be rich?
> > >>
> > > Well, he did marry rather well...
> >
> > He was a millionaire in his own right before he married into the Heinz
> > fortune. In other words, you were just blowing smoke.
> >
> I have heard that, while there was a certain amount of family money (his
> mother was a Forbes, after all), most of his fortune came from his first
> wife, Julia Thorne. I may be incorrect in that.

This article claims Kerry was broke after he left Thorne:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/17337.htm

Merlin Dorfman

February 22nd 04, 01:09 AM

Grantland ) wrote:

....

: Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President;

Would Grantland say this if he knew that Kerry had two Jewish
grandparents?

Grantland

February 22nd 04, 05:58 AM

Merlin Dorfman > wrote:

>Grantland ) wrote:
>
>...
>
>: Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President;
>
> Would Grantland say this if he knew that Kerry had two Jewish
>grandparents?
>
Dean has a Jew wife. Wesley has two Jew parents. The Jews crawl like
maggotts all over the body politic. And Edwards is a shiny-faced
pathetic featherweight.
'Best of a rotten lot. Anyone who's name is not "Bush", brain-dead
slave of the Jew neo-cons.

Grantland
Grantland

Merlin Dorfman

February 23rd 04, 01:20 AM

Grantland ) wrote:
: Merlin Dorfman > wrote:

: >Grantland ) wrote:
: >
: >...
: >
: >: Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President;
: >
: > Would Grantland say this if he knew that Kerry had two Jewish
: >grandparents?
: >
: Dean has a Jew wife. Wesley has two Jew parents. The Jews crawl like
: maggotts all over the body politic. And Edwards is a shiny-faced
: pathetic featherweight.
: 'Best of a rotten lot. Anyone who's name is not "Bush", brain-dead
: slave of the Jew neo-cons.

I love it! Elect a Jew to reduce Jewish influence.

Grantland

February 23rd 04, 01:34 AM

Merlin Dorfman > wrote:

>Grantland ) wrote:
>: Merlin Dorfman > wrote:
>
>: >Grantland ) wrote:
>: >
>: >...
>: >
>: >: Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President;
>: >
>: > Would Grantland say this if he knew that Kerry had two Jewish
>: >grandparents?
>: >
>: Dean has a Jew wife. Wesley has two Jew parents. The Jews crawl like
>: maggotts all over the body politic. And Edwards is a shiny-faced
>: pathetic featherweight.
>: 'Best of a rotten lot. Anyone who's name is not "Bush", brain-dead
>: slave of the Jew neo-cons.
>
> I love it! Elect a Jew to reduce Jewish influence.
>
There are no other options.

Grantland

After being told by Peres that Israel should heed America's request
for a cease-fire or risk "turning the US against us", Sharon replied:
"Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and
will do that. I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry
about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people control
America, and the Americans know it". The radio then said that Peres
and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon to watch it because, "it
would cause us a public relations disaster."

George Z. Bush

February 23rd 04, 06:02 AM

"Merlin Dorfman" > wrote in message
...
> Grantland ) wrote:
> : Merlin Dorfman > wrote:
>
> : >Grantland ) wrote:
> : >
> : >...
> : >
> : >: Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President;
> : >
> : > Would Grantland say this if he knew that Kerry had two Jewish
> : >grandparents?
> : >
> : Dean has a Jew wife. Wesley has two Jew parents. The Jews crawl like
> : maggotts all over the body politic. And Edwards is a shiny-faced
> : pathetic featherweight.
> : 'Best of a rotten lot. Anyone who's name is not "Bush", brain-dead
> : slave of the Jew neo-cons.
>
> I love it! Elect a Jew to reduce Jewish influence.

If you're going to say things like that at the next sheet meeting, you need to
remember to call it "Jew influence", because calling it "Jewish influence" will
make you sound educated, and you wouldn't want to give yourself away, would you!
(*-*)))

George Z.
>

Grantland

February 23rd 04, 12:27 PM

"George Z. Bush" > wrote:

>
>"Merlin Dorfman" > wrote in message
...
>> Grantland ) wrote:
>> : Merlin Dorfman > wrote:
>>
>> : >Grantland ) wrote:
>> : >
>> : >...
>> : >
>> : >: Kerry will make a wonderful 2-term President;
>> : >
>> : > Would Grantland say this if he knew that Kerry had two Jewish
>> : >grandparents?
>> : >
>> : Dean has a Jew wife. Wesley has two Jew parents. The Jews crawl like
>> : maggotts all over the body politic. And Edwards is a shiny-faced
>> : pathetic featherweight.
>> : 'Best of a rotten lot. Anyone who's name is not "Bush", brain-dead
>> : slave of the Jew neo-cons.
>>
>> I love it! Elect a Jew to reduce Jewish influence.
>
>If you're going to say things like that at the next sheet meeting, you need to
>remember to call it "Jew influence", because calling it "Jewish influence" will
>make you sound educated, and you wouldn't want to give yourself away, would you!
>(*-*)))
>
>George Z.
>>
Much more polite to say "People of Jewish extraction. Actually no -
"Personoids of Mosaic derivation" is more polite. Actually no, that's
still insulting. What one must just say (in a subdued, reverent
voice), is "massa, massa massa massa". There you have it.
Wait a bit... should th

Grantland
>

Grantland

February 27th 04, 02:49 AM

(Grantland) wrote:

>> And Edwards is a shiny-faced pathetic featherweight.

No, he's not. Done gone changed my mind. He just looks that way. I
watched the Larry King debate. He just might be the better candidate.
Still, anyone, - *anyone* who's name is not "Bush" is the better
President.

Grantland
>
>After being told by Peres that Israel should heed America's request
>for a cease-fire or risk "turning the US against us", Sharon replied:
>"Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and
>will do that. I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry
>about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people control
>America, and the Americans know it". The radio then said that Peres
>and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon to watch it because, "it
>would cause us a public relations disaster."

miso

February 27th 04, 08:33 AM

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
Geez, must be 30 posts and nobody noticed that the photo was a fake.

I can't tell you how many people mailed me the "fishy" story about
Kerry, but that is a fake as well:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

In fact, I have never ever been mailed one of these "mail it around to
your friends" stories that was true. Never. Nada. Zip.

Get over it people. Kerry was there, he fought, he was wounded. No
amount of dissing the man will make the other guy's AWOL story go
away.

(Mike) wrote in message >...
> Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
> A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
> War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
> angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
> slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
> at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm

buf3

February 27th 04, 11:35 AM

(Mike) wrote in message >...
> Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
> A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
> War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
> angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
> slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
> at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm

Check this URl for an expose of the fake Kerry/Fonda picture.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp

Chad Irby

February 27th 04, 04:57 PM

In article >,
(miso) wrote:

> Get over it people. Kerry was there, he fought, he was wounded. No
> amount of dissing the man will make the other guy's AWOL story go
> away.

Nope - it's the actual *proof* that's been shown that made that one go
away.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Jarg

February 27th 04, 07:56 PM

"Grantland" > wrote in message
...
> (Grantland) wrote:
>
> >> And Edwards is a shiny-faced pathetic featherweight.
>
> No, he's not. Done gone changed my mind. He just looks that way. I
> watched the Larry King debate. He just might be the better candidate.
> Still, anyone, - *anyone* who's name is not "Bush" is the better
> President.
>
> Grantland

Too bad you have absolutely no say in the matter, eh?

Jarg

Cub Driver

February 27th 04, 10:42 PM

>Check this URl for an expose of the fake Kerry/Fonda picture.

There is, of course, still the real Fonda/Kerry photograph from Valley
Forge. (The one in color, with Kerry sitting a few rows back from
Fonda.)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the "fake" Kerry photograph
(black-white, supposedly showing the two of them at the podium) wasn't
doctored up by Kerry spinners. Then, when the Valley Forge picture is
published, or photos from "The New Soldier," they can say: Oh gosh,
that fake was exposed back in February!"

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (requires authentication)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
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miso

February 28th 04, 09:45 PM

Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
his life long goal of an aviation career? No, it seems he was
grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
use connections to get out of the service.

The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
side with Kerry. Karl Rove needs to dish out more lies. Speaking of
more lies:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040225-defense-kerry.htm

Chad Irby > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (miso) wrote:
>
> > Get over it people. Kerry was there, he fought, he was wounded. No
> > amount of dissing the man will make the other guy's AWOL story go
> > away.
>
> Nope - it's the actual *proof* that's been shown that made that one go
> away.

Kevin Brooks

February 28th 04, 10:59 PM

"miso" > wrote in message
om...

> Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.

How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?

> However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
> his life long goal of an aviation career? No,

Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and have
weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when it
was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when you
create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the base
clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are included
in the evaluation criteria, huh?

it seems he was
> grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
> use connections to get out of the service.

What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those duty
days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?

>
> The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
> side with Kerry.

Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then went
on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that whole
"Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his satisfactory
completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
feat?

Brooks

<snip>

Bob McKellar

February 28th 04, 11:12 PM

Kevin Brooks wrote:

> "miso" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
>
> How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?
>
> > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
> > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
>
> Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and have
> weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when it
> was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when you
> create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
> testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the base
> clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are included
> in the evaluation criteria, huh?
>
> it seems he was
> > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
> > use connections to get out of the service.
>
> What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those duty
> days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
> different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
> courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
>
> >
> > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
> > side with Kerry.
>
> Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then went
> on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that whole
> "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his satisfactory
> completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
> early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
> feat?
>
> Brooks
>
> <snip>

Me.

Bob McKellar

Kevin Brooks

February 29th 04, 12:33 AM

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Kevin Brooks wrote:
>
> > "miso" > wrote in message
> > om...
> >
> > > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
> >
> > How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?
> >
> > > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
> > > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
> >
> > Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> > commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and
have
> > weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when
it
> > was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when
you
> > create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
> > testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the
base
> > clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
included
> > in the evaluation criteria, huh?
> >
> > it seems he was
> > > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
> > > use connections to get out of the service.
> >
> > What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
duty
> > days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
> > different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
> > courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> > experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
> >
> > >
> > > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
> > > side with Kerry.
> >
> > Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
went
> > on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
whole
> > "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
satisfactory
> > completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
> > early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
> > feat?
> >
> > Brooks
> >
> > <snip>
>
> Me.

No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?

Brooks

>
> Bob McKellar
>

Bob McKellar

February 29th 04, 12:49 AM

Kevin Brooks wrote:

> "Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Kevin Brooks wrote:
> >
> > > "miso" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > >
> > > > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
> > >
> > > How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?
> > >
> > > > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
> > > > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
> > >
> > > Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> > > commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and
> have
> > > weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when
> it
> > > was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when
> you
> > > create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
> > > testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the
> base
> > > clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
> included
> > > in the evaluation criteria, huh?
> > >
> > > it seems he was
> > > > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
> > > > use connections to get out of the service.
> > >
> > > What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
> duty
> > > days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
> > > different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
> > > courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> > > experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
> > > > side with Kerry.
> > >
> > > Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
> went
> > > on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
> whole
> > > "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
> satisfactory
> > > completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
> > > early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
> > > feat?
> > >
> > > Brooks
> > >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Me.
>
> No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
> active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?
>
> Brooks
>
> >
> > Bob McKellar
> >

I got out early in 1971, having been commissioned in November 1968, giving me
just over 2 years active commissioned service.

I went to my new home and tried to forget about the Navy. I got one letter from
some Navy somebody or other telling me to go to drills, but I ignored it. The
only other communication I received was my promotion to LT., which gave me quite
a laugh at the time.

Several years later, when my circumstances were very different and I decided to
start drilling, I had been dropped from the reserve rolls, but it only took a
bit of paperwork to get me back in.

BTW, I had no "political pull" whatsoever.

Bob McKellar, reserve slacker, never shot at ( or even aimed at, AFAIK )

Tarver Engineering

February 29th 04, 01:24 AM

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
> ...

> > >
> > > Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
> went
> > > on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
> whole
> > > "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
> satisfactory
> > > completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many
other
> > > early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that*
little
> > > feat?
> > >
> > > Brooks
> > >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Me.
>
> No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
> active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?

Two years of active reserve is required for each year early out, but lots of
people never showed up for their obligations. I know another guy who never
shwed up and he got his honorable discharge in the mail. Standing nuclear
artillery in Europe left him afraid go back.

Kevin Brooks

February 29th 04, 03:41 AM

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Kevin Brooks wrote:
>
> > "Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Kevin Brooks wrote:
> > >
> > > > "miso" > wrote in message
> > > > om...
> > > >
> > > > > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that
proof.
> > > >
> > > > How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty
status?
> > > >
> > > > > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could
continue
> > > > > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> > > > commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time
and
> > have
> > > > weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly
when
> > it
> > > > was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him
when
> > you
> > > > create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like
drug
> > > > testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by
the
> > base
> > > > clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
> > included
> > > > in the evaluation criteria, huh?
> > > >
> > > > it seems he was
> > > > > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you
can
> > > > > use connections to get out of the service.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
> > duty
> > > > days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they
any
> > > > different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting
out
> > > > courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> > > > experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side
by
> > > > > side with Kerry.
> > > >
> > > > Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and
then
> > went
> > > > on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
> > whole
> > > > "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
> > satisfactory
> > > > completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many
other
> > > > early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that*
little
> > > > feat?
> > > >
> > > > Brooks
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Me.
> >
> > No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
> > active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?
> >
> > Brooks
> >
> > >
> > > Bob McKellar
> > >
>
> I got out early in 1971, having been commissioned in November 1968, giving
me
> just over 2 years active commissioned service.
>
> I went to my new home and tried to forget about the Navy. I got one
letter from
> some Navy somebody or other telling me to go to drills, but I ignored it.

Well, then one trusts you won't be questioning Bush's record of drill
attendance...

Brooks

<snip>

Merlin Dorfman

February 29th 04, 05:09 AM

George Z. Bush ) wrote:

: "Merlin Dorfman" > wrote in message

: > I love it! Elect a Jew to reduce Jewish influence.

: If you're going to say things like that at the next sheet meeting, you need to
: remember to call it "Jew influence", because calling it "Jewish influence" will
: make you sound educated, and you wouldn't want to give yourself away, would you!
: (*-*)))

Actually the sheeters would write "jew influence." If you
capitalize Jew, you might be showing some respect to fellow human
beings.

George Z. Bush

February 29th 04, 06:09 AM

Merlin Dorfman wrote:
> George Z. Bush ) wrote:
>
>> "Merlin Dorfman" > wrote in message
>
>>> I love it! Elect a Jew to reduce Jewish influence.
>
>> If you're going to say things like that at the next sheet meeting, you need
>> to remember to call it "Jew influence", because calling it "Jewish
>> influence" will make you sound educated, and you wouldn't want to give
>> yourself away, would you! (*-*)))
>
> Actually the sheeters would write "jew influence." If you
> capitalize Jew, you might be showing some respect to fellow human
> beings.

Sheeesh! Gave myself away by capitalizing "Jew". How could I be so careless?
(*-*)))

George Z.

Bob McKellar

February 29th 04, 01:50 PM

Kevin Brooks wrote:

> "Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Kevin Brooks wrote:
> >
> > > "Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Brooks wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "miso" > wrote in message
> > > > > om...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that
> proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty
> status?
> > > > >
> > > > > > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could
> continue
> > > > > > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> > > > > commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time
> and
> > > have
> > > > > weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly
> when
> > > it
> > > > > was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him
> when
> > > you
> > > > > create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like
> drug
> > > > > testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by
> the
> > > base
> > > > > clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
> > > included
> > > > > in the evaluation criteria, huh?
> > > > >
> > > > > it seems he was
> > > > > > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you
> can
> > > > > > use connections to get out of the service.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
> > > duty
> > > > > days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they
> any
> > > > > different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting
> out
> > > > > courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> > > > > experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side
> by
> > > > > > side with Kerry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and
> then
> > > went
> > > > > on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
> > > whole
> > > > > "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
> > > satisfactory
> > > > > completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many
> other
> > > > > early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that*
> little
> > > > > feat?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brooks
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Me.
> > >
> > > No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
> > > active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?
> > >
> > > Brooks
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob McKellar
> > > >
> >
> > I got out early in 1971, having been commissioned in November 1968, giving
> me
> > just over 2 years active commissioned service.
> >
> > I went to my new home and tried to forget about the Navy. I got one
> letter from
> > some Navy somebody or other telling me to go to drills, but I ignored it.
>
> Well, then one trusts you won't be questioning Bush's record of drill
> attendance...
>
> Brooks
>
> <snip>

I have consistently NOT criticized GWB with the inflated "AWOL, deserter"
rhetoric thrown around here and in the general press. My views on this are:

1. He was primarily motivated by the draft, and would not have joined
otherwise.
2. His entry and choice of unit was influenced and enabled by family
connections.
3. He performed well during flight training and his early inactive duty.
4. After a while, he lost interest in flying and had other things he wanted to
do.
5. He slacked off on drilling, but eventually made up the missed drills.
6. By that time, nobody in the Guard really cared what he did.

With the exception of #4 above, NONE of those things are particularly unusual,
and NONE would have drawn significant comment AT THE TIME. We of the class of
'68 all had to deal with the "draft problem" one way or another, and many people
did far worse.

In the general population, and even around RAM, people seem to have very little
appreciation of what that time was like. It was not 1917, it was not 1944, and
it was not 1991. It was closer to 1952, but 1968 stands on its own.

Now, of course, in an election year, everyone establishes their conclusion, then
works backward seeking evidence to support it. This is a multipartisan
activity.

Depending on various biases:

1. GWB was a deserter
2. Al Gore was a tourist
3. Bob Kerrey was a war criminal
4. John Kerry was a phony and a slacker
5. GHWB was a coward
6. Bill Clinton was a traitor and criminal draft dodger
7. Max Cleland injured himself on his way to a beer party with his friends. (
I did not make this one up, Ann Coulter did. )

Many of you, admit it now, probably lean toward agreeing with a subset of the
above, depending on your own prejudices.

It's too bad they don't issue medals for hypocrisy, we'd all look like Audie
Murphy.

Bob McKellar

Yeff

February 29th 04, 02:10 PM

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:50:54 -0500, Bob McKellar wrote:

> It's too bad they don't issue medals for hypocrisy, we'd all look like Audie
> Murphy.

You mean I'd morph into a white person?

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

B2431

February 29th 04, 02:29 PM

>From: Yeff
>
>
>On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:50:54 -0500, Bob McKellar wrote:
>
>> It's too bad they don't issue medals for hypocrisy, we'd all look like
>Audie
>> Murphy.
>
>You mean I'd morph into a white person?
>
>-Jeff B.
>yeff at erols dot com
>
Audie Murphy was white?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Yeff

February 29th 04, 02:33 PM

On 29 Feb 2004 14:29:45 GMT, B2431 wrote:

> Audie Murphy was white?

<Corrine Brown>

"You all look alike to me."

</Corrine Brown>

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Kevin Brooks

February 29th 04, 02:38 PM

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Kevin Brooks wrote:
>
> > "Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
> > ...
<snip>

> > >
> > > I got out early in 1971, having been commissioned in November 1968,
giving
> > me
> > > just over 2 years active commissioned service.
> > >
> > > I went to my new home and tried to forget about the Navy. I got one
> > letter from
> > > some Navy somebody or other telling me to go to drills, but I ignored
it.
> >
> > Well, then one trusts you won't be questioning Bush's record of drill
> > attendance...
> >
> > Brooks
> >
> > <snip>
>
> I have consistently NOT criticized GWB with the inflated "AWOL, deserter"
> rhetoric thrown around here and in the general press.

OK. Chalk you up as *not* being in the hypocrite parade. Too bad Kerry does
not share your views; his atacks on Bush for allegedly not attending drills
while he himself apparently never attended any are a bit tiresome.

Brooks

<snip>

miso

February 29th 04, 07:35 PM

The bottom line is "fly boy" was grounded:
###
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1257
Nor do these records explain why Bush, who had been trained as fighter
pilot, failed to take a flight physical during the year in question
and was grounded. Nor do they back up the 2000 Bush campaign's
explanation that Bush did not take a flight physical because he was
living in Alabama and his personal doctor was in Houston. (Flight
physicals are administered by military physicians, and there were
flight physicians at the base in Alabama where Bush says he served.)
###
Driving that plane, high on cocaine, Dubya Bush you better watch your
speed (and altitude)

As a bonus, here is a bit about the Bush lie squad, AKA Ted Sampley
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2424667

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message >...
> "miso" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
>
> How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?
>
> > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
> > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
>
> Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and have
> weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when it
> was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when you
> create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
> testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the base
> clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are included
> in the evaluation criteria, huh?
>
> it seems he was
> > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
> > use connections to get out of the service.
>
> What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those duty
> days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
> different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
> courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
>
> >
> > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
> > side with Kerry.
>
> Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then went
> on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that whole
> "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his satisfactory
> completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
> early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
> feat?
>
> Brooks
>
> <snip>

Tarver Engineering

February 29th 04, 07:37 PM

"miso" > wrote in message
om...
> The bottom line is "fly boy" was grounded:
> ###
> http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1257
> Nor do these records explain why Bush, who had been trained as fighter
> pilot, failed to take a flight physical during the year in question
> and was grounded.

The Texas ANG was transitioning to a new airplane and they were not going to
fly the airplane GW flew anymore. You are posting luney suppositions to ram
..

Kevin Brooks

February 29th 04, 10:26 PM

"miso" > wrote in message
om...

> The bottom line is "fly boy" was grounded:

Because his physical was out of date--big deal.

> ###
> http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1257
> Nor do these records explain why Bush, who had been trained as fighter
> pilot, failed to take a flight physical during the year in question
> and was grounded.

Because he was elsewhere when his flight schedule would have occured--one of
those drills he made up. As his fellow ANG pilot from the 111th has already
noted, that was no big deal.

Nor do they back up the 2000 Bush campaign's
> explanation that Bush did not take a flight physical because he was
> living in Alabama and his personal doctor was in Houston. (Flight
> physicals are administered by military physicians, and there were
> flight physicians at the base in Alabama where Bush says he served.)

Where he *did* serve, but not on flight duty. Big deal (again).

> ###
> Driving that plane, high on cocaine, Dubya Bush you better watch your
> speed (and altitude)

Specious BS from another rumor monger...

Voters did not care about this BS in 2000, and they are not going to give a
rat's ass about it this year either. Enjoy your next four years with the
same administration in place.

Anybody ever talk to you about top-posting?

Brooks

<snip>

>
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
>...
> > "miso" > wrote in message
> > om...
> >
> > > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
> >
> > How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?
> >
> > > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
> > > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
> >
> > Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> > commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and
have
> > weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when
it
> > was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when
you
> > create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
> > testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the
base
> > clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
included
> > in the evaluation criteria, huh?
> >
> > it seems he was
> > > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
> > > use connections to get out of the service.
> >
> > What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
duty
> > days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
> > different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
> > courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> > experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
> >
> > >
> > > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
> > > side with Kerry.
> >
> > Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
went
> > on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
whole
> > "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
satisfactory
> > completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
> > early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
> > feat?
> >
> > Brooks
> >
> > <snip>

miso

March 1st 04, 05:16 AM

One would think that if you lifetime goal was to fly, you would take
the damn physical and be qualified to fly. It isn't like he went into
the guard to avoid going to Vietnam. No, Bush went into the guard to
protect Texas from the Mexican Airforce and pursue a lifetime of
flying.

Record deficits, record unemployment, declining dollar. Uh yeah, the
voters want more of that good stuff. I'm looking forward to putting
some honest Americans in charge of the country, and saving the might
of the military for real enemies. One would hate to think that wounds
like this
http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Feb2004/040213-D-2987S-053.jpg
were for nothing.

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message >...
> "miso" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> > The bottom line is "fly boy" was grounded:
>
> Because his physical was out of date--big deal.
>
> > ###
> > http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1257
> > Nor do these records explain why Bush, who had been trained as fighter
> > pilot, failed to take a flight physical during the year in question
> > and was grounded.
>
> Because he was elsewhere when his flight schedule would have occured--one of
> those drills he made up. As his fellow ANG pilot from the 111th has already
> noted, that was no big deal.
>
> Nor do they back up the 2000 Bush campaign's
> > explanation that Bush did not take a flight physical because he was
> > living in Alabama and his personal doctor was in Houston. (Flight
> > physicals are administered by military physicians, and there were
> > flight physicians at the base in Alabama where Bush says he served.)
>
> Where he *did* serve, but not on flight duty. Big deal (again).
>
> > ###
> > Driving that plane, high on cocaine, Dubya Bush you better watch your
> > speed (and altitude)
>
> Specious BS from another rumor monger...
>
> Voters did not care about this BS in 2000, and they are not going to give a
> rat's ass about it this year either. Enjoy your next four years with the
> same administration in place.
>
> Anybody ever talk to you about top-posting?
>
> Brooks
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >
> > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > "miso" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > >
> > > > Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
> > >
> > > How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?
> > >
> > > > However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
> > > > his life long goal of an aviation career? No,
> > >
> > > Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
> > > commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and
> have
> > > weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when
> it
> > > was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when
> you
> > > create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
> > > testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the
> base
> > > clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
> included
> > > in the evaluation criteria, huh?
> > >
> > > it seems he was
> > > > grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
> > > > use connections to get out of the service.
> > >
> > > What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
> duty
> > > days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
> > > different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
> > > courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
> > > experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
> > > > side with Kerry.
> > >
> > > Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
> went
> > > on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
> whole
> > > "Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
> satisfactory
> > > completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
> > > early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
> > > feat?
> > >
> > > Brooks
> > >
> > > <snip>