Re: Is this B-52 photo real?

[S. Sampson]

"Hobo" > wrote
>
> Is the photo genuine?

No. If you blow it up, or invert the colors you can see the
massive manipulations.

[Chad Irby]

In article <aSzXb.21172$Q_4.5025@okepread03>,
"S. Sampson" > wrote:

> "Hobo" > wrote
> >
> > Is the photo genuine?
>
> No. If you blow it up, or invert the colors you can see the
> massive manipulations.

You don't even need to do that. Just look at the shock wave boundaries
where they come off of the fuselage. Too sharply defined.

The shadows go in two different directions, too (off the wingtip into
the cloud and the wing shadow on the forward fuselage).

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Just looking at the line of the BUFFs belly and the compression cloud shows
me it is a fake. Not that well done either.

MikeT

[Jim Herring]

Hobo wrote:

> URL of photo: http://www.caselab.okstate.edu/buratti/pictures/mach1buff.jpg
>
> I found a photo on the web which was described as a photo of a B-52
> breaking the sound barrier. I do not believe this plane can do such a
> thing in a positive manner. Is the photo genuine?

This keeps showing up for various aircraft by people who have never seen a true
sound barrier shock wave. Even if this pic wasn't faked it only shows a vapor
wave with a B-52 due to compression at moderate speed and high humidity.



--
Jim

carry on




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[John Keeney]

"Hobo" > wrote in message
...
> URL of photo:
http://www.caselab.okstate.edu/buratti/pictures/mach1buff.jpg
>
>
>
> I found a photo on the web which was described as a photo of a B-52
> breaking the sound barrier. I do not believe this plane can do such a
> thing in a positive manner. Is the photo genuine?

Doctored.
To me it looks like they took a real picture of a transonic plane, put the
Buff in it and then added clouds here & there about the airframe.
The condensation cloud isn't in the right place over the width of the wing
span and they went all "fluffy" with the clouds around the engines just to
name two points that are suspect.

[Darrell]

I saw a photo of a Piper Cub breaking the sound barrier. What does that
tell you? Want to see a Mach 2 Jewel? Try my web site below.

--

B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/


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"Hobo" > wrote in message
...
> URL of photo:
http://www.caselab.okstate.edu/buratti/pictures/mach1buff.jpg
>
>
>
> I found a photo on the web which was described as a photo of a B-52
> breaking the sound barrier. I do not believe this plane can do such a
> thing in a positive manner. Is the photo genuine?

[Vicente Vazquez]

> "Hobo" > wrote
> >
> > Is the photo genuine?

That's a BUFF in APASF.

APASF = (Adobe Photoshop Assisted Supersonic Flight). :-)

[Jeb Hoge]

"John Keeney" > wrote in message >...
> "Hobo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > URL of photo:
> http://www.caselab.okstate.edu/buratti/pictures/mach1buff.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > I found a photo on the web which was described as a photo of a B-52
> > breaking the sound barrier. I do not believe this plane can do such a
> > thing in a positive manner. Is the photo genuine?
>
> Doctored.
> To me it looks like they took a real picture of a transonic plane, put the
> Buff in it and then added clouds here & there about the airframe.

I'm 95% positive that ths shockwave vapor component of the pic is from
either an F-14 or F/A-18...I know I've seen that before, but it's one
of those two Navy birds in the middle of it.

[Ole]

"Jeb Hoge" > skrev i melding
om...
> "John Keeney" > wrote in message
>...
> > "Hobo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > URL of photo:
> > http://www.caselab.okstate.edu/buratti/pictures/mach1buff.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I found a photo on the web which was described as a photo of a B-52
> > > breaking the sound barrier. I do not believe this plane can do such a
> > > thing in a positive manner. Is the photo genuine?
> >
> > Doctored.
> > To me it looks like they took a real picture of a transonic plane, put
the
> > Buff in it and then added clouds here & there about the airframe.
>
> I'm 95% positive that ths shockwave vapor component of the pic is from
> either an F-14 or F/A-18...I know I've seen that before, but it's one
> of those two Navy birds in the middle of it.


I belive it was an F/A-18.

[Kulvinder Singh Matharu]

On 15 Feb 2004 20:21:26 -0800, (Jeb Hoge) wrote:
[snip]
>I'm 95% positive that ths shockwave vapor component of the pic is from
>either an F-14 or F/A-18...I know I've seen that before, but it's one
>of those two Navy birds in the middle of it.

Here's the real deal...

http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/F18sound.jpg

--
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Contact details : http://www.metalvortex.com/form/form.htm
Website : http://www.metalvortex.com/

"It ain't Coca Cola, it's rice" - The Clash

[Kulvinder Singh Matharu]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:23:02 +0000, Kulvinder Singh Matharu
> wrote:

>Here's the real deal...
>
>http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/F18sound.jpg

Of course, other photos and videos here....
http://www.globemaster.de/airextreme/jets.html

--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu
Contact details : http://www.metalvortex.com/form/form.htm
Website : http://www.metalvortex.com/

"It ain't Coca Cola, it's rice" - The Clash

[BUFDRVR]

>I found a photo on the web which was described as a photo of a B-52
>breaking the sound barrier. I do not believe this plane can do such a
>thing in a positive manner. Is the photo genuine?

This could happen....although the picture needs to be rotated 90-degrees so
that the aircraft is pointed *straight down*! Actually, at around .84 Mach
(Indicated, about .92 Mach True) at high altitude, under the right conditions,
you can begin to see the shock wave just off the ALQ-172 antenna on the nose.
Seeing this is usually where pilots will look down at the A-A TACAN and see
their wingmen stretching out to 3+ miles. You also imagine the hundreds of
obscenities being hurled at from 3+ miles away ;)


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Bill and Susan Maddux]

good to here from Buffdrur again, and being an old buff crew chief it was
fun watching everyone discuss this. and Hell I even saved the picture to
enjoy over and over again. but it is correct that the only way this bird
could do this is straight down from a very high altitude.

Bill maddog Maddux
"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >I found a photo on the web which was described as a photo of a B-52
> >breaking the sound barrier. I do not believe this plane can do such a
> >thing in a positive manner. Is the photo genuine?
>
> This could happen....although the picture needs to be rotated 90-degrees
so
> that the aircraft is pointed *straight down*! Actually, at around .84 Mach
> (Indicated, about .92 Mach True) at high altitude, under the right
conditions,
> you can begin to see the shock wave just off the ALQ-172 antenna on the
nose.
> Seeing this is usually where pilots will look down at the A-A TACAN and
see
> their wingmen stretching out to 3+ miles. You also imagine the hundreds of
> obscenities being hurled at from 3+ miles away ;)
>
>
> BUFDRVR
>
> "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
> everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

>but it is correct that the only way this bird
>could do this is straight down from a very high altitude.

And only once ;)

Good to hear from you again Bill.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Marc Reeve]

Kulvinder Singh Matharu > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:23:02 +0000, Kulvinder Singh Matharu
> > wrote:
>
> >Here's the real deal...
> >
> >http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/F18sound.jpg
>
> Of course, other photos and videos here....
> http://www.globemaster.de/airextreme/jets.html

Including this one, which various l00ns have claimed represents a B-2
breaking the sound barrier:

http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/b2.jpg
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
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[Les Matheson]

That looks more like a B-2 shedding carbon fiber.

Les

"Marc Reeve" > wrote in message
. ..
> Kulvinder Singh Matharu > wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:23:02 +0000, Kulvinder Singh Matharu
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Here's the real deal...
> > >
> > >http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/F18sound.jpg
> >
> > Of course, other photos and videos here....
> > http://www.globemaster.de/airextreme/jets.html
>
> Including this one, which various l00ns have claimed represents a B-2
> breaking the sound barrier:
>
> http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/b2.jpg
> --
> Marc Reeve
> actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
> c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m

[Bill and Susan Maddux]

Haven't been on the newsgroup in a while, I have moved for my wife's health
to here home state of Missouri. I am a little close to a Buff Base now.
Keep them Flying Bufdrvr. sure do miss the old girls.
"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >but it is correct that the only way this bird
> >could do this is straight down from a very high altitude.
>
> And only once ;)
>
> Good to hear from you again Bill.
>
>
> BUFDRVR
>
> "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
> everyone on Bear Creek"

[Tex Houston]

"Bill and Susan Maddux" > wrote in message
. ..
> Haven't been on the newsgroup in a while, I have moved for my wife's
health
> to here home state of Missouri. I am a little close to a Buff Base now.
> Keep them Flying Bufdrvr. sure do miss the old girls.


Well I guess Missouri is between the two B-52 bases, Barksdale and Minot but
close???

Tex

[BUFDRVR]

>Well I guess Missouri is between the two B-52 bases, Barksdale and Minot but
>close???
>

Southern MO (around Joplin), is less than 250 miles from Barksdale. The only
problem is, until they complete I-49 north of Shreveport, there's no real
direct route. By my guess, Bill's about 4 hours from a BUFF base, which
now-a-days not too many people can say.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Tex Houston]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> Southern MO (around Joplin), is less than 250 miles from Barksdale. The
only
> problem is, until they complete I-49 north of Shreveport, there's no real
> direct route. By my guess, Bill's about 4 hours from a BUFF base, which
> now-a-days not too many people can say.
>
>
> BUFDRVR

Perhaps I'm spoiled. I can see signs for Schriever AFB and Peterson AFB on
the same pole..That doesn't count Cheyenne Mountain AFS and the Air Force
Academy. When I think close I'm talking 90 minutes...oops forgot Buckley
AFB. Besides Missouri has the home of the B-2, much more attractive to me.
Nothing against Barksdale or Minot...well maybe Minot.

Regards,

Tex Houston

[James Hart]

Marc Reeve wrote:
> Kulvinder Singh Matharu > wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:23:02 +0000, Kulvinder Singh Matharu
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the real deal...
>>>
>>> http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/F18sound.jpg
>>
>> Of course, other photos and videos here....
>> http://www.globemaster.de/airextreme/jets.html
>
> Including this one, which various l00ns have claimed represents a B-2
> breaking the sound barrier:
>
> http://www.militaryaircraft.de/aviexpics11/b2.jpg

You mean it's not a picture of it de-cloaking?
:)

--
James...
www.jameshart.co.uk

[BUFDRVR]

>Besides Missouri has the home of the B-2, much more attractive to me.

Except if you actually like seeing things fly. One squadron (of 3) at Barksdale
puts up twice the amount of daily sorties as the whole 509th BW. You hit
Barksdale at the right time, you'll see more B-52s taking off, landing, in the
pattern or taxiing around than there are B-2s in existance.




BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[John R Weiss]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote...
>
> One squadron (of 3) at Barksdale
> puts up twice the amount of daily sorties as the whole 509th BW. You hit
> Barksdale at the right time, you'll see more B-52s taking off, landing, in the
> pattern or taxiing around than there are B-2s in existance.

Last time I was in Barksdale was 1980 or so...

Trying to get out after a fuel stop, but the weather went below mins for the
A-4. A C-118 (IIRC) landed through the fog and spewed an ORI team. I watched
from Base Ops as they scrambled to get half of SAC in the air at one time.
Impressive show!

Better news was that all the heat from the Buffs taking off raised the vis just
enough for T/O mins for the A-4. As soon as they stood down the alert, I was
outta there!

[BUFDRVR]

>Better news was that all the heat from the Buffs taking off raised the vis
>just
>enough for T/O mins for the A-4.

See, BUFFs can even change the weather ;)

I was #7 of a 12 ship MITO one morning as a young co-pilot. My aircraft
commander for the exercise was an experienced IP who decided, just prior to
engine start, that I would do the takeoff. He was unphased when I told him I
had never done a MITO from #2 let alone #7. I'll never forget him picking up
the "committed call" because a.) I didn't know what to do with the airspeed
indicator jumping from 120 to 160 and back and fourth and b.) was focusing
nearly 100% of my energy on keeping us tracking down the *center* of the
runway. We broke ground, turned to our "fan heading" and instantly hit "dirty"
air that caused an abrupt pitch up. The pitch up was so violent and happened so
quickly and we were so low (about 50-60 feet AGL) that both of us shoved the
yoke into the forward stops without the obligatory transfer of aircraft
control. After about three seconds of terror, we hit clear air, he got off the
controls and calmy began the "After Takeoff Climb" checklist. Out of sheer
necessity I maintained my outwardly "cool pilot" demeanor, but inside I was
still reeling from having nearly stalled a half million pound jet just seconds
after takeoff. The discussion at level off was, obviously, about our post-T/O
adventure, and I was amazed by the "ol' heads", who thought nothing of it. In
fact our RN had a worse MITO story than we had just lived through! Incidents
like that made me appreciate the "Cold War" guys, who may never have dropped a
weapon in anger, but damn sure had put their lives at risk in preparing for
"the Big One".


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Jim Baker]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >Better news was that all the heat from the Buffs taking off raised the
vis
> >just
> >enough for T/O mins for the A-4.
>
> See, BUFFs can even change the weather ;)
>
> I was #7 of a 12 ship MITO one morning as a young co-pilot. My aircraft
> commander for the exercise was an experienced IP who decided, just prior
to
> engine start, that I would do the takeoff. He was unphased when I told him
I
> had never done a MITO from #2 let alone #7. I'll never forget him picking
up
> the "committed call" because a.) I didn't know what to do with the
airspeed
> indicator jumping from 120 to 160 and back and fourth and b.) was focusing
> nearly 100% of my energy on keeping us tracking down the *center* of the
> runway. We broke ground, turned to our "fan heading" and instantly hit
"dirty"
> air that caused an abrupt pitch up. The pitch up was so violent and
happened so
> quickly and we were so low (about 50-60 feet AGL) that both of us shoved
the
> yoke into the forward stops without the obligatory transfer of aircraft
> control. After about three seconds of terror, we hit clear air, he got off
the
> controls and calmy began the "After Takeoff Climb" checklist. Out of sheer
> necessity I maintained my outwardly "cool pilot" demeanor, but inside I
was
> still reeling from having nearly stalled a half million pound jet just
seconds
> after takeoff. The discussion at level off was, obviously, about our
post-T/O
> adventure, and I was amazed by the "ol' heads", who thought nothing of it.
In
> fact our RN had a worse MITO story than we had just lived through!
Incidents
> like that made me appreciate the "Cold War" guys, who may never have
dropped a
> weapon in anger, but damn sure had put their lives at risk in preparing
for
> "the Big One".
>
>
> BUFDRVR


I won't go into detail about my many MITO stories like the one above, but
many times, just as number 3, I was at FULL cross controlls just a few feet
off the ground in a Buff trying to keep the wingtips from hitting the
ground. Additional joy, in a G model you didn't look ahead down the runway
during takeoff because you couldn't see it. A water assisted MITO created a
black curtain of smoke from the Buffs ahead of you...you just looked over
the nose at the white line to stay on the rwy.

A tragic memory I have was watching a Castle AFB Buff (CCTS sortie with 10
on board) as #2 in a MITO go in a mile off the rwy at Mather AFB (Dec '82).
Watched that from the alert pad as an off going crewmember.

Much, much easier doing the same thing in a Bone. The guy ahead would
accelerate so fast you couldn't keep up. The winds in TX had a lot to do
with sweeping the rwy too.

JB

[BUFDRVR]

>A tragic memory I have was watching a Castle AFB Buff (CCTS sortie with 10
>on board) as #2 in a MITO go in a mile off the rwy at Mather AFB (Dec '82).
>Watched that from the alert pad as an off going crewmember.

Was this the infameous H following a G MITO?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Jim Baker]

Actually, the other way around. The G was #2 and was flown by an IP that
had "99%" H time in his career. A water assisted G will out accelerate an H
for about 90 seconds and the speculation, or maybe it was an actual finding,
is that he was getting too close and pulled power. The water didn't cutout
as it was supposed to do but rather flooded out some number of engines and
they then didn't have the power then to make it. More factors than that to
it of course, but thats the exec summary.

JB

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >A tragic memory I have was watching a Castle AFB Buff (CCTS sortie with
10
> >on board) as #2 in a MITO go in a mile off the rwy at Mather AFB (Dec
'82).
> >Watched that from the alert pad as an off going crewmember.
>
> Was this the infameous H following a G MITO?
>
>
> BUFDRVR
>
> "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
> everyone on Bear Creek"

[Bill and Susan Maddux]

One I never ever considered Minot as being close to me when I was in
Minnesota, because it was a long drive from central Minnesota, through
rolling hills, and open spaces. Plus I had spent enough time there doing
quick turns from Fairchild. I have never seen Barksdale before and know my
old bird is there or she use to be 61-0017.

Never really cared much about the B-2s before until I found out the 325th
was now at Whitman AFB.

But you see I have a love for the buff that goes beyond just a crew chief
and his aircraft. I met my wife under the No. 4 engine of 61-0017 in July
1991 when my starter had failed to motor the engine. I helped her to change
it and we have been together ever since. How we found love that day I will
never know. I was wearing my BCGs and dirty green coveralls. had hydro fluid
in my hair from a leaking servicing cart. So you can say my old girl set me
up with my new one. funny and weird I know, but that is how I feel about it.

[BUFDRVR]

>Actually, the other way around. The G was #2 and was flown by an IP that
>had "99%" H time in his career. A water assisted G will out accelerate an H
>for about 90 seconds

OK, I'm straightened out now. Despite the fact we're an "all H" force now, the
FTU still puts great emphisis on co-pilots comparing takeoff data when planning
for a MITO and they site the Castle mishap as an example of what can happen if
one jet out performs another on departure.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

>my old bird is there or she use to be 61-0017.

She still is. Wearing a Gold tail from the 11th Bomb Squadron (B-52 FTU).




BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Jim Baker]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >Actually, the other way around. The G was #2 and was flown by an IP that
> >had "99%" H time in his career. A water assisted G will out accelerate
an H
> >for about 90 seconds
>
> OK, I'm straightened out now. Despite the fact we're an "all H" force now,
the
> FTU still puts great emphisis on co-pilots comparing takeoff data when
planning
> for a MITO and they site the Castle mishap as an example of what can
happen if
> one jet out performs another on departure.
>
>
> BUFDRVR

Well that's interesting that they're still teaching that lesson.

That was the first heavy aircraft accident I saw and it wasn't a good thing
to see, obviously. I can replay the whole thing from watching the two ship
taking the active to watching 2 descend below the trees like it was
yesterday. Lead continued on with his departure which called for a left 180
turn back east bound. We all stood there for about 20 minutes watching him
raise his flaps and disappear over the Sierras.

JB

[ashinms]

Not saying this is real. It's an obvious fake, but a B52 is capable of creating shock eggs. A shock egg isn't 100 percent evidence of supersonic flight, only of humid air.