Russian missile test failure and government denial...

[Thomas J. Paladino Jr.]

Apparently, that much anticipated Russian military exercise culminated in
the disintegration of one of their showpiece weapons, the SS-N-23 ICBM. Two
were supposed to be launched from a nuclear sub, but one exploded shortly
after launch, and the other one was called off. This was of course followed
by a prompt official denial, and statement referring to the exercise as a
total success. The Russian media naturally didn't even mention it.

Well I guess that this one really blew up in their face (no pun intended).
This little display was meant to show the world (i.e. the USA) that Russia
still maintained a lethal and reliable deterrent, but now all they have done
is demonstrated exactly how bad the situation with their military truly is.
If they can't even launch two missiles under ideal peaceful conditions,
during a test planned and rehearsed several months in advance, then how can
they be expected to perform under spontaneous wartime conditions? If
anything, I am far less concerned about Russian nuclear capability now then
ever before.

http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040218161827.uu2xifpy.html

http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040217164152.pa3knwh6.html

[Michael Petukhov]

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." > wrote in message >...
> Apparently, that much anticipated Russian military exercise culminated in
> the disintegration of one of their showpiece weapons, the SS-N-23 ICBM. Two
> were supposed to be launched from a nuclear sub, but one exploded shortly
> after launch, > and the other one was called off.

Rummors which were proved by many media reporters on the site
to be lie later on.

> This was of course followed
> by a prompt official denial, and statement referring to the exercise as a
> total success.

Lie again. One SS-N-23 was fired and after 92 sec of normal flight went
astray and selfliquidated.

>The Russian media naturally didn't even mention it.

The event was reported by all russian media with reference on
the primary source the russian NAVY.


>
> Well I guess that this one really blew up in their face (no pun intended).
> This little display was meant to show the world (i.e. the USA) that Russia
> still maintained a lethal and reliable deterrent, but now all they have done
> is demonstrated exactly how bad the situation with their military truly is.
> If they can't even launch two missiles under ideal peaceful conditions,
> during a test planned and rehearsed several months in advance, then how can
> they be expected to perform under spontaneous wartime conditions? If
> anything, I am far less concerned about Russian nuclear capability now then
> ever before.
>
> http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040218161827.uu2xifpy.html
>
> http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040217164152.pa3knwh6.html

In reality however of 3 ICMB which were fired yesterday 2 successfully
performed its missions and one went astray. One of successful missions
was PS-18 (Stilleto) equipped by new highly accurate MIRV warheads capable
for manoeuvring at hypersonic speeds. Putin declared that this test was
fully success and this type of new MIRVs will goes in duty service
immideately. He told that he informed Mr. Bush about this new development
and said that it is not directed against US AMB system, rather it is
directed against international terrorist organizations.

Michael

[Mu]

On 19 Feb 2004 01:44:24 -0800, (Michael
Petukhov) wrote:
Putin declared that this test was
>fully success and this type of new MIRVs will goes in duty service
>immideately. He told that he informed Mr. Bush about this new development
>and said that it is not directed against US AMB system, rather it is
>directed against international terrorist organizations.
>
>Michael

MIRVs against international terrorist organizations?
I can image the conversation in STRATNUCFORCE headquarters.

Senso : Sir,sensors are detecting a truc loaded with explosives
entering the defence perimeter of Camp Charlie.
General: That's it. Launch the MIRVs.

Whoever was PR officer responsable for that explanation. He's quite
imaginative.

Greetz Mu

[Keith Willshaw]

"Mu" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Feb 2004 01:44:24 -0800, (Michael
> Petukhov) wrote:
> Putin declared that this test was
> >fully success and this type of new MIRVs will goes in duty service
> >immideately. He told that he informed Mr. Bush about this new development
> >and said that it is not directed against US AMB system, rather it is
> >directed against international terrorist organizations.
> >
> >Michael
>
> MIRVs against international terrorist organizations?
> I can image the conversation in STRATNUCFORCE headquarters.
>
> Senso : Sir,sensors are detecting a truc loaded with explosives
> entering the defence perimeter of Camp Charlie.
> General: That's it. Launch the MIRVs.
>

Or sorry Sir we had to nuke Moscow to get the terrorists
out of Apartment 23B

Keith

[BUFDRVR]

>Or sorry Sir we had to nuke Moscow to get the terrorists
>out of Apartment 23B

They're more coastly then a nerve agent as well....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Tex Houston]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >Or sorry Sir we had to nuke Moscow to get the terrorists
> >out of Apartment 23B
>
> They're more coastly then a nerve agent as well....
>
>
> BUFDRVR


Now I have to have one explained to me.

Tex

[Thomas Schoene]

Tex Houston wrote:
> "BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> Or sorry Sir we had to nuke Moscow to get the terrorists
>>> out of Apartment 23B
>>
>> They're more coastly then a nerve agent as well....
>>
>>
>> BUFDRVR
>
>
> Now I have to have one explained to me.

I'm guessing it's a reference to the Moscow theater hostage rescue in 2002,
where a "knockout" gas used to subdue the terrorists also killed about a
hundred and twenty hostages. It was initially thought that the gas was a
nerve agent, possibly BZ. The Russians later admitted it was fentanyl, an
opiate-like anasthetic.

--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

[Tex Houston]

"Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Tex Houston wrote:
> > "BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>> Or sorry Sir we had to nuke Moscow to get the terrorists
> >>> out of Apartment 23B
> >>
> >> They're more coastly then a nerve agent as well....
> >>
> >>
> >> BUFDRVR
> >
> >
> > Now I have to have one explained to me.
>
> I'm guessing it's a reference to the Moscow theater hostage rescue in
2002,
> where a "knockout" gas used to subdue the terrorists also killed about a
> hundred and twenty hostages. It was initially thought that the gas was a
> nerve agent, possibly BZ. The Russians later admitted it was fentanyl, an
> opiate-like anasthetic.
>
> --
> Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail


I suppose he meant 'coastly' as in more expensive. I knew about the nerve
agent but 'coastly' just threw me.

Tex

[Stop SPAM]

Tex Houston wrote:
> "Thomas Schoene" > wrote:
>>Tex Houston wrote:
>>>"BUFDRVR" > wrote:
>>>>>Or sorry Sir we had to nuke Moscow to get the terrorists
>>>>>out of Apartment 23B
>>>>
>>>>They're more coastly then a nerve agent as well....
>>>>
>>>>BUFDRVR
>>>
>>>Now I have to have one explained to me.
>>
>>I'm guessing it's a reference to the Moscow theater hostage rescue in 2002,
>>where a "knockout" gas used to subdue the terrorists also killed about a
>>hundred and twenty hostages. It was initially thought that the gas was a
>>nerve agent, possibly BZ. The Russians later admitted it was fentanyl, an
>>opiate-like anasthetic.
>>
>>--
>>Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
>
> I suppose he meant 'coastly' as in more expensive. I knew about the nerve
> agent but 'coastly' just threw me.
>
> Tex

Ummm... or he could have meant it in terms of "more costly" in number of
people killed... a nuke in Moscow will kill more people than a nerve agent.

I trust all Russians are feeling safer and sleeping better now that
Putin's military exercise has demonstrated how well Russia can defend
itself.

[Krztalizer]

>
>I trust all Russians are feeling safer and sleeping better now that
>Putin's military exercise has demonstrated how well Russia can defend
>itself.
>

from _terrorists_, mind you.

[WaltBJ]

"the missile selfliquidated..." No wonder they called off any further
tests - selfliquidating on ignition would also liquidate the sub. . .
Walt BJ

[Yama]

"Mu" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Feb 2004 01:44:24 -0800, (Michael
> Petukhov) wrote:
> Putin declared that this test was
> >fully success and this type of new MIRVs will goes in duty service
> >immideately. He told that he informed Mr. Bush about this new development
> >and said that it is not directed against US AMB system, rather it is
> >directed against international terrorist organizations.
> >
> >Michael
>
> MIRVs against international terrorist organizations?

Why not? It's not any crazier than building an ABM system against "Rogue
nations"...

[BUFDRVR]

>I suppose he meant 'coastly' as in more expensive. I knew about the nerve
>agent but 'coastly' just threw me.

Don't they make typo or spell checkers for posting here?

Yes Tex, I meant costly. seems I hit the "a" key and the "s" key at the same
time.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Dave Kearton]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
| >I suppose he meant 'coastly' as in more expensive. I knew about the
nerve
| >agent but 'coastly' just threw me.
|
| Don't they make typo or spell checkers for posting here?
|
| Yes Tex, I meant costly. seems I hit the "a" key and the "s" key at the
same
| time.
|
|
| BUFDRVR
|


Hopefully the 'Flight Attendant' button and the big red button are further
apart in B-52s ;-)




Cheers


Dave Kearton

[BUFDRVR]

>Hopefully the 'Flight Attendant' button and the big red button are further
>apart in B-52s ;-)

I believe the reason my manually dexterity is failing me is because I haven't
had to really use it (for higher level skills) for 8 months, 3 days and 12
hours....and counting.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Tex Houston]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> >Hopefully the 'Flight Attendant' button and the big red button are
further
> >apart in B-52s ;-)
>
> I believe the reason my manually dexterity is failing me is because I
haven't
> had to really use it (for higher level skills) for 8 months, 3 days and 12
> hours....and counting.
>
>
> BUFDRVR


I sympathize with you. I spent what seemed ten years at Bolling between
August and May one time.

Tex

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
"Dave Kearton" > wrote:

> Hopefully the 'Flight Attendant' button and the big red button are further
> apart in B-52s ;-)

"I said LUNCH, not LAUNCH!"

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[B2431]

>From: Chad Irby

>
>In article >,
> "Dave Kearton" > wrote:
>
>> Hopefully the 'Flight Attendant' button and the big red button are further
>> apart in B-52s ;-)
>
>"I said LUNCH, not LAUNCH!"
>
>--
>cirby at cfl.rr.com
>

Depending on the meal, turbulence, the crewman's hangover etc lunch and launch
could mean the same thing.


Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(B2431) wrote:

> >From: Chad Irby
>
> >
> >In article >,
> > "Dave Kearton" > wrote:
> >
> >> Hopefully the 'Flight Attendant' button and the big red button are further
> >> apart in B-52s ;-)
> >
> >"I said LUNCH, not LAUNCH!"
>
> Depending on the meal, turbulence, the crewman's hangover etc lunch and launch
> could mean the same thing.

The official fix for that problem is, of course, large corks.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[Dave Kearton]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
| In article >,
| (B2431) wrote:
|
|
| The official fix for that problem is, of course, large corks.
|
| --
| cirby at cfl.rr.com
|
|


I get several hundred emails a week offering me a larger cork ....




Cheers


Dave Kearton