How many JSOWs does an F15E-229 carry?

[Tetsuji Rai]

Title says it all. I'm playing a flight sim, Falcon4. Recently a new
version was out. In the previous version, F15E can carry up to 8 JSOWs
(AGM154a), however in the new version it can carry only 2 JSOWs. Which is
correct? It is a big problem to me as an F15E fan.

Thanks in advance.

[Kirk Stant]

"Tetsuji Rai" > wrote in message >...
> Title says it all. I'm playing a flight sim, Falcon4. Recently a new
> version was out. In the previous version, F15E can carry up to 8 JSOWs
> (AGM154a), however in the new version it can carry only 2 JSOWs. Which is
> correct? It is a big problem to me as an F15E fan.
>
> Thanks in advance.


5 JSOWs max, one each on the left wing pylon, left conformal (center
inboard pylon), centerline pylon, right conformal (center inboard
pylon), and right pylon.

Same thing with JDAMs or WCMDs; only those 5 stations are wired up
with the 1760 bus necessary to drop the things.

When any of these are carried on a CFT, nothing else can be carried on
the rest of that CFT's pylons, BTW, and you can mix types of smart
weapons (so can carry 2 JDAMs (my favorite, JSOWs are a pain to use),
2 WCMDs (smart CBU!), and one JSOW (pig with wings).

Of course, that's a pretty heavy load - better have a tanker to go
along with you...

Kirk
(too many hours working on the F-15E WST)

[Tetsuji Rai]

In addition, how about AGM65B/D/G or AGM130? How many these AGMs can be
loaded on a CFT?

Thanks in advance!

-Tetsuji Rai (an F15E fan)

"Kirk Stant" > wrote in message
om...
> 5 JSOWs max, one each on the left wing pylon, left conformal (center
> inboard pylon), centerline pylon, right conformal (center inboard
> pylon), and right pylon.
>
> Same thing with JDAMs or WCMDs; only those 5 stations are wired up
> with the 1760 bus necessary to drop the things.
>
> When any of these are carried on a CFT, nothing else can be carried on
> the rest of that CFT's pylons, BTW, and you can mix types of smart
> weapons (so can carry 2 JDAMs (my favorite, JSOWs are a pain to use),
> 2 WCMDs (smart CBU!), and one JSOW (pig with wings).
>
> Of course, that's a pretty heavy load - better have a tanker to go
> along with you...
>
> Kirk
> (too many hours working on the F-15E WST)

[Tetsuji Rai]

Thank you for your quick reply!!!

Then, in addition, how about AGM65B/D/G or AGM130? How many these AGMs can
be
loaded on a CFT?

Thanks in advance!!

-Tetsuji Rai (an F15E fan)

"Kirk Stant" > wrote in message
om...
> "Tetsuji Rai" > wrote in message
>...
> > Title says it all. I'm playing a flight sim, Falcon4. Recently a new
> > version was out. In the previous version, F15E can carry up to 8 JSOWs
> > (AGM154a), however in the new version it can carry only 2 JSOWs. Which
is
> > correct? It is a big problem to me as an F15E fan.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
>
> 5 JSOWs max, one each on the left wing pylon, left conformal (center
> inboard pylon), centerline pylon, right conformal (center inboard
> pylon), and right pylon.
>
> Same thing with JDAMs or WCMDs; only those 5 stations are wired up
> with the 1760 bus necessary to drop the things.
>
> When any of these are carried on a CFT, nothing else can be carried on
> the rest of that CFT's pylons, BTW, and you can mix types of smart
> weapons (so can carry 2 JDAMs (my favorite, JSOWs are a pain to use),
> 2 WCMDs (smart CBU!), and one JSOW (pig with wings).
>
> Of course, that's a pretty heavy load - better have a tanker to go
> along with you...
>
> Kirk
> (too many hours working on the F-15E WST)

[Tetsuji Rai]

And can these AGMs be loaded at the centerline pylon?

"Tetsuji Rai" > wrote in message
s.com...
> Thank you for your quick reply!!!
>
> Then, in addition, how about AGM65B/D/G or AGM130? How many these AGMs
can
> be
> loaded on a CFT?
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> -Tetsuji Rai (an F15E fan)
>
> "Kirk Stant" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Tetsuji Rai" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > Title says it all. I'm playing a flight sim, Falcon4. Recently a
new
> > > version was out. In the previous version, F15E can carry up to 8
JSOWs
> > > (AGM154a), however in the new version it can carry only 2 JSOWs.
Which
> is
> > > correct? It is a big problem to me as an F15E fan.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> > 5 JSOWs max, one each on the left wing pylon, left conformal (center
> > inboard pylon), centerline pylon, right conformal (center inboard
> > pylon), and right pylon.
> >
> > Same thing with JDAMs or WCMDs; only those 5 stations are wired up
> > with the 1760 bus necessary to drop the things.
> >
> > When any of these are carried on a CFT, nothing else can be carried on
> > the rest of that CFT's pylons, BTW, and you can mix types of smart
> > weapons (so can carry 2 JDAMs (my favorite, JSOWs are a pain to use),
> > 2 WCMDs (smart CBU!), and one JSOW (pig with wings).
> >
> > Of course, that's a pretty heavy load - better have a tanker to go
> > along with you...
> >
> > Kirk
> > (too many hours working on the F-15E WST)
>
>

[Charles Wagner]

Kirk your comment about the JSOW being a pig, is that because it is an ugly
glider or a reference to its operation or performance as a weapon?

Chuck Wagner

"Kirk Stant" > wrote in message
om...
> "Tetsuji Rai" > wrote in message
>...
> > Title says it all. I'm playing a flight sim, Falcon4. Recently a new
> > version was out. In the previous version, F15E can carry up to 8 JSOWs
> > (AGM154a), however in the new version it can carry only 2 JSOWs. Which
is
> > correct? It is a big problem to me as an F15E fan.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
>
> 5 JSOWs max, one each on the left wing pylon, left conformal (center
> inboard pylon), centerline pylon, right conformal (center inboard
> pylon), and right pylon.
>
> Same thing with JDAMs or WCMDs; only those 5 stations are wired up
> with the 1760 bus necessary to drop the things.
>
> When any of these are carried on a CFT, nothing else can be carried on
> the rest of that CFT's pylons, BTW, and you can mix types of smart
> weapons (so can carry 2 JDAMs (my favorite, JSOWs are a pain to use),
> 2 WCMDs (smart CBU!), and one JSOW (pig with wings).
>
> Of course, that's a pretty heavy load - better have a tanker to go
> along with you...
>
> Kirk
> (too many hours working on the F-15E WST)


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[Dana Miller]

In article >,
"Tetsuji Rai" > wrote:

>In addition, how about AGM65B/D/G or AGM130? How many these AGMs can be
>loaded on a CFT?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>

Ah, a question on my favorite PGM:-). From what I've heard, two
AGM-130's a about all a single Eagle carries. Those things are
god-auful heavy even if you do have wiring for four on the pylons.
You'll need an AXQ-14 or ZSW-1 pod on the center line station to use
them. I wonder if time in indian country is as much a consideration as
max payload. If your're using AGM-130's you're probably going after
very tough targets in very dangerous neighborhoods.

Then there's the deconfliction issue as well.

--
Dana Miller

[Kirk Stant]

"Charles Wagner" > wrote in message >...
> Kirk your comment about the JSOW being a pig, is that because it is an ugly
> glider or a reference to its operation or performance as a weapon?
>
> Chuck Wagner

Neither, and much simpler: J SOW. Sow as in pig. Get it? There is a
neat JSOW patch that shows a flying pig on it in one of the JSOW
briefings I saw.

Of course, it is also a really ugly glider, although not as bad as a
PW-5 (insider glider pilot joke, that!).

As a weapon, well, it's basically 3/4 of a can of CBU. A weapon for
special targets, obviously.

Kirk

[Kirk Stant]

"Tetsuji Rai" > wrote in message >...
> In addition, how about AGM65B/D/G or AGM130? How many these AGMs can be
> loaded on a CFT?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Tetsuji Rai (an F15E fan)

Very little chance of actually seeing AGM-65s on the F-15E, since they
can only be carried on the wing pylons, and if the preferred AGM-65G
is carried, only one on each station. Since that takes up two of the
external fuel tank stations, it't not a very good tradeoff compared to
2 JDAMs or WCMDs on the same stations. But it is an approved and
cleared weapon, and might be loaded for a specific target type.

It is possible to carry 6 of the AGM-65A, B, D, or H, 3 on each side
on LAU-88 triple rail launchers on stations 2 and 8 (the wing pylons).
AGM-65Gs are heavier, so only one can be carried on each side on a
LAU-117 single-rail launcher. AGM-65 cannot be loaded on the CFTs.

AGM-130s (and the similar GBU-15) are also only carried on stations 2
and 8; they cannot be loaded on the CFTs. When these weapons are
used, normally an AXQ-14 or ZSW-1 data link pod is carried on the
centerline station (station 5). The DLP is needed to control the
AGM-130 or GBU-15 after launch.

The F-15E is a neat fighter, lots of good systems, excellent radar,
pretty good legs, and a two man crew. Too bad we didn't build a lot
more of them!

Kirk

[Tetsuji Rai]

"Kirk Stant" > wrote in message
om...
>
> Very little chance of actually seeing AGM-65s on the F-15E, since they
> can only be carried on the wing pylons, and if the preferred AGM-65G
> is carried, only one on each station. Since that takes up two of the
> external fuel tank stations, it't not a very good tradeoff compared to
> 2 JDAMs or WCMDs on the same stations. But it is an approved and
> cleared weapon, and might be loaded for a specific target type.
>
> It is possible to carry 6 of the AGM-65A, B, D, or H, 3 on each side
> on LAU-88 triple rail launchers on stations 2 and 8 (the wing pylons).
> AGM-65Gs are heavier, so only one can be carried on each side on a
> LAU-117 single-rail launcher. AGM-65 cannot be loaded on the CFTs.
>
> AGM-130s (and the similar GBU-15) are also only carried on stations 2
> and 8; they cannot be loaded on the CFTs. When these weapons are
> used, normally an AXQ-14 or ZSW-1 data link pod is carried on the
> centerline station (station 5). The DLP is needed to control the
> AGM-130 or GBU-15 after launch.
>
> The F-15E is a neat fighter, lots of good systems, excellent radar,
> pretty good legs, and a two man crew. Too bad we didn't build a lot
> more of them!
>
> Kirk

Thank you!!! I think I have understood it, but I need to confirm.

Reading your message and flying an F15E-229 in a simulator (F15E in Falcon4
:) ) I've found a serious problem with it. To tell the truth I have a cdrom
set of an old F15E flight manual, which contains info on sidewinders,
sparrows, GBU24,10, BLU107, Mk84/82, some CBUs and so on. So I want to ask
additional questions.

Can AIM120s be loaded on stations 2 and 8? and two of them each? If so,
can F15e carry 8 of them at once ?(2 on stations 2,8 each and 2 on bilateral
CFTs each) And when you load 5 smart weapons, no missiles can be loaded,
right?
How many *light* JDAMs (I mean GBU-32,35) can be loaded? and where?
How many GBU-22s can be loaded? and where?
When you load 2 AGM-130s, can any other bombs or sparrows be loaded on CFTs?
I've heard AGM-130 is very heavy and its drag factor is high.

I need details for simulator.....

Thank you in advance!!

-Tetsuji Rai

[Tetsuji Rai]

"Kirk Stant" > wrote in message
om...
> ..........
> The F-15E is a neat fighter, lots of good systems, excellent radar,
> pretty good legs, and a two man crew. Too bad we didn't build a lot
> more of them!
>
> Kirk


Thank you!!! I think I have understood it, but I need to confirm.

Reading your message and flying an F15E-229 in a simulator (F15E in Falcon4
:) ) I've found a serious problem with it. To tell the truth I have a cdrom
set of an old F15E flight manual, which contains info on sidewinders,
sparrows, GBU24,10, BLU107, Mk84/82, some CBUs and so on. So I want to ask
additional questions.

Can AIM120s be loaded on stations 2 and 8? and two of them each? If so,
can F15e carry 8 of them at once ?(2 on stations 2,8 each and 2 on bilateral
CFTs each) And when you load 5 smart weapons, no missiles can be loaded,
right?
How many *light* JDAMs (I mean GBU-32,35) can be loaded? and where?
How many GBU-22s can be loaded? and where?
When you load 2 AGM-130s, can any other bombs or sparrows be loaded on CFTs?
I've heard AGM-130 is very heavy and its drag factor is high.
And at last, some kinds of dumb bombs (BLU107, CBUs, Mk82,etc.) can be
loaded at OUTBD(does it read "outboard"?) stations of CFTs. When you load 5
other bombs (say, 5 smart bombs), can BLU107 be loaded at OUTBD stations of
CFTs?

I need details for simulator.....I'm flying an F15E-229 in the simulator
Falcon4...such a fan :) It's a very excellent plane. Very agile, nice
style and it can carry many weapons at a time!

If possible, I want detailed info on this if it's not classified...

Thank you in advance!!

-Tetsuji Rai

[Tetsuji Rai]

"Kirk Stant" > wrote in message
om...
> "Charles Wagner" > wrote in message
>...
> > Kirk your comment about the JSOW being a pig, is that because it is an
ugly
> > glider or a reference to its operation or performance as a weapon?
> >
> > Chuck Wagner
>
> Neither, and much simpler: J SOW. Sow as in pig. Get it? There is a
> neat JSOW patch that shows a flying pig on it in one of the JSOW
> briefings I saw.
>
> Of course, it is also a really ugly glider, although not as bad as a
> PW-5 (insider glider pilot joke, that!).
>
> As a weapon, well, it's basically 3/4 of a can of CBU. A weapon for
> special targets, obviously.
>
> Kirk

Hmm, in the simulator Falcon4, I like JSOW because it's the only way to
destroy SAM sites on F15E. F15E doesn't handle HARM, so I need to use JSOW
and it works very nicely.

-Tetsuji Rai

[R Haskin]

"Tetsuji Rai" > wrote in message
s.com...

> Hmm, in the simulator Falcon4, I like JSOW because it's the only way to
> destroy SAM sites on F15E. F15E doesn't handle HARM, so I need to use
JSOW
> and it works very nicely.

That's only if you're not man enough to go kill SAMs the gutsy way -- with
GBU-12s, CBU-87, or -- better yet -- with the gun!