OSH Sleeping

[Douglas Paterson[_2_]]

OSH First-Timer (hopefully!) here. Assuming I can get the plane out of
annual in time, I plan to make the trip!

I'm curious about lodging. I snagged a room at the Super 8 on the field.
Outrageous prices, of course, and I also wonder if I'm missing an essential
part of the experience by not camping. A couple of years ago at Sturgis, I
decided I was done with camping--but that was for reasons of my back &
sleeping on the ground. Aside from my back not being what it was 20 years
ago, I enjoy camping, so perhaps a good air mattress would solve my problem,
and that will be easier to pack in a plane than a motorcycle. Any thoughts
here?

--
Doug
"Where am I to go/Now that I've gone too far?" -- Golden Earring, "Twilight
Zone"
(my email is spam-proofed; read the address and make the appropriate change
to contact me)

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 12, 12:59*pm, "Douglas Paterson"
> wrote:
> OSH First-Timer (hopefully!) here. *Assuming I can get the plane out of
> annual in time, I plan to make the trip!
>
> I'm curious about lodging. *I snagged a room at the Super 8 on the field.
> Outrageous prices, of course, and I also wonder if I'm missing an essential
> part of the experience by not camping. *A couple of years ago at Sturgis, I
> decided I was done with camping--but that was for reasons of my back &
> sleeping on the ground. *Aside from my back not being what it was 20 years
> ago, I enjoy camping, so perhaps a good air mattress would solve my problem,
> and that will be easier to pack in a plane than a motorcycle. *Any thoughts
> here?

I stayed at the university and though it was a great part of the
experience. They open the dorms up to the public during this event.

-robert

[Lou]

On Jul 12, 3:27 pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 12:59 pm, "Douglas Paterson"
>
> > wrote:
> > OSH First-Timer (hopefully!) here. Assuming I can get the plane out of
> > annual in time, I plan to make the trip!
>
> > I'm curious about lodging. I snagged a room at the Super 8 on the field.
> > Outrageous prices, of course, and I also wonder if I'm missing an essential
> > part of the experience by not camping. A couple of years ago at Sturgis, I
> > decided I was done with camping--but that was for reasons of my back &
> > sleeping on the ground. Aside from my back not being what it was 20 years
> > ago, I enjoy camping, so perhaps a good air mattress would solve my problem,
> > and that will be easier to pack in a plane than a motorcycle. Any thoughts
> > here?

I understand the bad back and camping, however with todays air
mattresses, I
think you have some great alternatives. Not to mention the tents that
can be erected to be able to just walk in.
Lou

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Douglas Paterson" > wrote

> OSH First-Timer (hopefully!) here. Assuming I can get the plane out of
> annual in time, I plan to make the trip!
>
> I'm curious about lodging. I snagged a room at the Super 8 on the field.
> Outrageous prices, of course, and I also wonder if I'm missing an
> essential part of the experience by not camping.

Forget the hotel, if you want true total immersion in the experience.

You give up air conditioning, but it is not so bad without it, most nights
by midnight.

You have to deal with the community showers, but if you don't take them at
peak times, that is not so bad, either.

Air mattresses are great for bad backs. I've had two back surgeries, (both
largely unsuccessful) and I sleep on air mattresses year around at home.
They have better firm (but soft) support than any regular mattress I have
ever tried. For me, camping at OSH, I'm sleeping on my own bed! <g>

Really, there is something about sleeping on the grounds that you can't
beat. Try it at least one year, and if you don't like it, you can do
something else next year.
--
Jim in NC

[Jon Woellhaf[_2_]]

I like camping by the plane. I suggest a good blackout mask and good ear
plugs.

Jon

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>I like camping by the plane. I suggest a good blackout mask and good ear
>plugs.

Yep. Especially if you get parked near the road, you *will* need the ear
plugs. They make a world of difference.

The eye mask is useful if (a) you're parked near bright lights, or (b) you
are foolish enough to waste valuable plane-gawking time trying to sleep
during the day at OSH!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Blueskies]

"Douglas Paterson" > wrote in message ...
> OSH First-Timer (hopefully!) here. Assuming I can get the plane out of annual in time, I plan to make the trip!
>
> I'm curious about lodging. I snagged a room at the Super 8 on the field. Outrageous prices, of course, and I also
> wonder if I'm missing an essential part of the experience by not camping. A couple of years ago at Sturgis, I decided
> I was done with camping--but that was for reasons of my back & sleeping on the ground. Aside from my back not being
> what it was 20 years ago, I enjoy camping, so perhaps a good air mattress would solve my problem, and that will be
> easier to pack in a plane than a motorcycle. Any thoughts here?
>
> --
> Doug
> "Where am I to go/Now that I've gone too far?" -- Golden Earring, "Twilight Zone"
> (my email is spam-proofed; read the address and make the appropriate change to contact me)
>
>

Air mattress works great. Be sure to bring an electric air pump! What year is your plane? Vintage (any plane earlier
than '68) is great and odds are you can park close to the flight line...

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 12, 12:59*pm, "Douglas Paterson"
> wrote:
> OSH First-Timer (hopefully!) here. *Assuming I can get the plane out of
> annual in time, I plan to make the trip!

What part of the country are you from? This California boy would be
miserable camping at OSH. Its hot and the humidity is almost 100% all
the time. Don't bother drying off after you get out of the shower.
Expect water to drip in the inside of your tent as the humdity wets
the inside.

-Robert

[Blueskies]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 12, 12:59 pm, "Douglas Paterson"
> wrote:
> OSH First-Timer (hopefully!) here. Assuming I can get the plane out of
> annual in time, I plan to make the trip!

What part of the country are you from? This California boy would be
miserable camping at OSH. Its hot and the humidity is almost 100% all
the time. Don't bother drying off after you get out of the shower.
Expect water to drip in the inside of your tent as the humdity wets
the inside.

-Robert


??? 100% is only during the thunderstorms! We are having a fine year here in MI. Nice cool days ~75-80, humidity right
now is 47%. Along the coast there in CA the humidity is almost always 75-80%. If water is dripping inside your tent, it
is from you most likely...

....but if you are in the desert, that is entirely different.

[Jon Woellhaf[_2_]]

True, Oshkosh is often hot and humid in July. I am from dry Colorado, but I
have been able to sleep comfortably in a tent at Oshkosh. If you haven't
camped in a tent at Oshkosh, you haven't had the full experience! <g>

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> If water is dripping inside your tent, it is from you most likely...

Only the cheapest tents allow condensation to build up on the inner walls
and drip back down. That's the whole point of a rain fly on a good tent --
to let condensation out (through the breathable ceiling), but not to let
rain IN.

If you have a good quality tent, you will be neither too hot at night, nor
wet when it rains. Add a good quality air bed (the kind that put you up on
10" of air), and I will put the quality of sleep at Oshkosh up against any
night's sleep you've ever had.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[dave]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> If water is dripping inside your tent, it is from you most likely...
>
> Only the cheapest tents allow condensation to build up on the inner
> walls and drip back down. That's the whole point of a rain fly on a
> good tent -- to let condensation out (through the breathable ceiling),
> but not to let rain IN.
>
> If you have a good quality tent, you will be neither too hot at night,
> nor wet when it rains. Add a good quality air bed (the kind that put
> you up on 10" of air), and I will put the quality of sleep at Oshkosh up
> against any night's sleep you've ever had.

A good air mattress is a great thing. Went camping at an airport once
and went through a major storm during the middle of the night. The
double wide air mattress was in a nice little dome tent. Woke up in the
morning and noticed the top of the tent looked pretty close and found
that I was floating in 8" of water. Me and my date were high and dry.

[Jon Woellhaf[_2_]]

Oh. This is important. If you camp in a tent at Oshkosh, be CERTAIN
everything you don't want to get soaked is in waterproof containers!

[Kyle Boatright]

"Jon Woellhaf" > wrote in message
...
> Oh. This is important. If you camp in a tent at Oshkosh, be CERTAIN
> everything you don't want to get soaked is in waterproof containers!

Actually, I've found the key is to buy a good tent. A $79 Wal-mart special
doesn't seem like such a good deal when you end up pouring it out following
a t-storm. Yes, I've seen it done. I particularly remember the second time
I took my wife Kelly to Osh. There were monsterous T-storms one night.
Strong enough winds to cause me to consider whether my neighbor's airplanes
were properly secured. Lots of rain.

We were dry in my backpacking tent with a full fly. When we got up the next
morning, I guarantee that 1/2 or more of the campers around us were laying
out sleeping bags, clothes, etc. to dry on airplane wings, props, etc. Most
of 'em had tents that were appropriate for kids spending a night in the
backyard, or for keeping the dew off on a weekend car camping trip. Those
tents were horrible when the wind blew hard and the rain fell in sheets.

Of course, waterproof containers never hurt, but the key waterproof item is
your tent.

KB

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jon Woellhaf" > wrote in message
...
> Oh. This is important. If you camp in a tent at Oshkosh, be CERTAIN
> everything you don't want to get soaked is in waterproof containers!

Yep. It also doesn't hurt to get one of the air mattresses with the extra
height built in, as a blow up base with mattress on top. That keeps
sleeping bags or blankets from dragging into the puddle in the bottom of
your tent!

The problem is that everything is nearly flat, so water does not drain away,
except to the corner of your tent, which is (of course) the lowest point on
your camping site. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Bob Fry]

I used the dorm a few years ago and thought they were great. Dorm
cafeteria right across the street with very good breakfast and
dinners; city bus service right to the gate of the event. But it
might be too late for that.
--
Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans! No more merciful
beheadings! And call off Christmas!
~ The Sheriff of Nottingham

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 13, 6:23*pm, "Kyle Boatright" > wrote:

> Actually, I've found the key is to buy a good tent. A $79 Wal-mart special
> doesn't seem like such a good deal when you end up pouring it out following
> a t-storm. *Yes, I've seen it done. *I particularly remember the second time
> I took my wife Kelly to Osh. *There were monsterous T-storms one night.
> Strong enough winds to cause me to consider whether my neighbor's airplanes
> were properly secured. *Lots of rain.


As an assistant scoutmaster I might disagree. As you pay more for a
tent what you get is lighter weight. However, for non-backpacking
trips I still use the Walmart tent I bought 10 years ago. I've spend
probably 100 rainy nights (we usually camp in the Sierras under the
TSs) dry in it. The trick for any tent is to seal it every year. Get
some seam sealant and cover all the seams and then scotchguard the
entire thing (I use several bottles). I also replace the zippers every
once-in-awhile on any tent. There is nothing worse than running for
your tent in the rain, grabbing the zipper, and having it break in
your hand and you get wet. Anyplace that does industrial sewing should
be able to replace your tent and sleeping bag zippers for you. I
replace mine in all my gear every 2 years; its not very expensive to
do. If you want to spend big bucks spend it on your bag rather than
your tent in my opinion. Also, always use a good thermal layer under
your bag. An air mat is probably the worst (just helps you get cold);
a therma-rest is about the best. We camp sub-zero several times a year
without problems just using good pads.

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 13, 4:50*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> If you have a good quality tent, you will be neither too hot at night, nor
> wet when it rains. * Add a good quality air bed (the kind that put you up on
> 10" of air), and I will put the quality of sleep at Oshkosh up against any
> night's sleep you've ever had.

I disagree with that. The best pads are about 1" deep. The higher you
sit and the more air in the pad the more heat transfer you're going to
lose. I would recommend spending the $120 at REI on a good terma-rest
pad. I've camped sub-zero many times without problems. The tent isn't
going to keep you warn because its too much mass. Keeping warm is 75%
about the pad and 25% about the bag.

-Robert

[RST Engineering]

Of all the things you are NOT going to have to worry about, sleeping at
Oshkosh during The Show in sub-zero is very high on the list.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


Also, always use a good thermal layer under
your bag. An air mat is probably the worst (just helps you get cold);
a therma-rest is about the best. We camp sub-zero several times a year
without problems just using good pads.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 14, 11:05*am, "RST Engineering" >
wrote:
> Of all the things you are NOT going to have to worry about, sleeping at
> Oshkosh during The Show in sub-zero is very high on the list.

True, but you can still get cold in the night. Its a common myth that
a good tent will keep you warm. The human body just can't actually
produce enough heat to really raise the temp of an entire tent.
However, a good ground cover (like a terma-rest) will prevent much of
the lose of heat (which happens through the ground or through an air
mat).

-Robert

[john smith]

AirVenture is littered with "WalMart" tents after a big wind and rain.
The problems are the fiberglass poles and partial rain-flys.

First of all, you will want a tent with a full rain-fly... one that goes
all the way from the top to the ground.

Second, you will want to affix additional guy-lines to stabilize the
weak poles.

As for sleeping, a good Thermarest pad, a 40-degree sleeping bag, and a
300-weight fleece blanket will keep you warm the coldest OSH nights.
Total weight will be less than 5-pounds.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
m...
> Of all the things you are NOT going to have to worry about, sleeping at
> Oshkosh during The Show in sub-zero is very high on the list.

Yeah, I WANT to get cold at night, at OSH. That way, after averaging in the
days, I will be comfortable. ! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Kyle Boatright]

"John Smith" > wrote in message
...
> AirVenture is littered with "WalMart" tents after a big wind and rain.
> The problems are the fiberglass poles and partial rain-flys.
>
> First of all, you will want a tent with a full rain-fly... one that goes
> all the way from the top to the ground.
>
> Second, you will want to affix additional guy-lines to stabilize the
> weak poles.
>
> As for sleeping, a good Thermarest pad, a 40-degree sleeping bag, and a
> 300-weight fleece blanket will keep you warm the coldest OSH nights.
> Total weight will be less than 5-pounds.

I've learned to leave the sleeping bag at home. My sleeping gear is a
Thermarest, covered with a "sock" I custom made from an old sheet. Kelly
has the identical set-up, and we bring two top sheets and two lightweight
fleece blankets to go over us. This is a lightweight set-up and allows us
to add or subtract layers to suit the conditions. Also, it eliminates the
bother of a sleeping bag. I flip and flop several times a night, and find a
sleeping bag confining.

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> If you have a good quality tent, you will be neither too hot at night, nor
> wet when it rains. Add a good quality air bed (the kind that put you up on
> 10" of air), and I will put the quality of sleep at Oshkosh up against any
> night's sleep you've ever had.

>I disagree with that. The best pads are about 1" deep. The higher you
>sit and the more air in the pad the more heat transfer you're going to
>lose. I would recommend spending the $120 at REI on a good terma-rest
>pad. I've camped sub-zero many times without problems. The tent isn't
>going to keep you warn because its too much mass. Keeping warm is 75%
>about the pad and 25% about the bag.

Trust me -- the last thing you care about at OSH are "heat transfer"
problems. The 10" air bed is the single most important improvement in OSH
camping we've experienced.

In 25 years, I've been "cold" at OSH precisely once -- and that was during
the day. I actually bought a sweatshirt that year.

Most years, if it gets below 70 at night, count your blessings. The cool
night air feels good on the fresh sunburn...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 14, 9:10*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Most years, if it gets below 70 at night, count your blessings. *The cool
> night air feels good on the fresh sunburn...

I'm more familar with camping in the Sierras where the days are 90F
and the nights are 20F. However, I do remember trying to sleep in the
dorm dripping wet (I got lucky with the dorm without A/C). I'm sure
the guys from the SE feel right at home but for those of us from the
SW this is not fun. Drying off after a shower was fruitless. Everyone
ran over to the Walmart and bought fans. Litterally hundreds of fans
were sold. We all left them in the dorm (since its not worth taking a
$20 Walmart fan home). I always wondered what they do with them all.

-Robert

[RST Engineering]

Robert...

Quite frankly we don't give a hairy rat's ass about your experience about
camping in the Sierra. (Sierra IS singular, by the way, look it up). After
35 years of Oshkosh, camping, dorming, and sleeping in the airplane, in all
that time I've been cold ONCE for ONE night. Lessee now, that's 35 times
seven inverse ... less than one half of one percent.

PLEASE take your camping experience in the Sierra and stuff it. Listen to
those who have been there for a few dozen years.

And I trump your assistant scoutmaster as a merit badge consultant for 30+
years through the Sacramento Council down by Sac State.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 14, 9:10 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Most years, if it gets below 70 at night, count your blessings. The cool
> night air feels good on the fresh sunburn...

I'm more familar with camping in the Sierras

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote

I'm more familar with camping in the Sierras where the days are 90F
and the nights are 20F. However, I do remember trying to sleep in the
dorm dripping wet (I got lucky with the dorm without A/C). I'm sure
the guys from the SE feel right at home but for those of us from the
SW this is not fun. Drying off after a shower was fruitless. Everyone
ran over to the Walmart and bought fans. Litterally hundreds of fans
were sold. We all left them in the dorm (since its not worth taking a
$20 Walmart fan home). I always wondered what they do with them all.

********************
New post begins here:

Not any 20F nights at OSH, unless you want to wait a few months! <g>

Jay was right. Sleeping cool on top of an air mattress is what the doctor
ordered.

As far as drying off after a shower being useless, that is why my favorite
time to get a shower at OSH is 11PM or later. The shower room is about
empty, and the water really refreshes. It is great to wash the stink off
and crawl into a nice cool bed! A well ventilated tent has to be cooler
than a hot dorm room, any day!
--
Jim in NC

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 14, 10:01*pm, "RST Engineering" >
wrote:
> Robert...
\
> PLEASE take your camping experience in the Sierra and stuff it. *Listen to
> those who have been there for a few dozen years.

Please quote somewhere where I said it got cold at OSH. I never
disagreed with that. Frankly I'm not sure where this pure rage is
coming from with you. Makes me think you're either reading another
post or just lost your dog.

> And I trump your assistant scoutmaster as a merit badge consultant for 30+
> years through the Sacramento Council down by Sac State.

Hehehe, no a merit badge counselor does not trump an ASM. How many
training courses did you go to? How many over night classes have you
gone to? Have you even been to the 2 week wood badge training? Its
like saying being a parking attendant for 30 years trumps a police
chief.

-Robert

[Ross]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Jul 14, 10:01 pm, "RST Engineering" >
> wrote:
>> Robert...
> \
>> PLEASE take your camping experience in the Sierra and stuff it. Listen to
>> those who have been there for a few dozen years.
>
> Please quote somewhere where I said it got cold at OSH. I never
> disagreed with that. Frankly I'm not sure where this pure rage is
> coming from with you. Makes me think you're either reading another
> post or just lost your dog.
>
>> And I trump your assistant scoutmaster as a merit badge consultant for 30+
>> years through the Sacramento Council down by Sac State.
>
> Hehehe, no a merit badge counselor does not trump an ASM. How many
> training courses did you go to? How many over night classes have you
> gone to? Have you even been to the 2 week wood badge training? Its
> like saying being a parking attendant for 30 years trumps a police
> chief.
>
> -Robert

Now, now, boys. Let's be civil here. Would real Boy Scouts act like
this? It is usually the grown-up that make the trouble....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 15, 9:24*am, Ross > wrote:

> Now, now, boys. Let's be civil here. Would real Boy Scouts act like
> this? It is usually the grown-up that make the trouble....


hehehe; good point.

[john smith]

In article >,
"Kyle Boatright" > wrote:

> I've learned to leave the sleeping bag at home. My sleeping gear is a
> Thermarest, covered with a "sock" I custom made from an old sheet. Kelly
> has the identical set-up, and we bring two top sheets and two lightweight
> fleece blankets to go over us. This is a lightweight set-up and allows us
> to add or subtract layers to suit the conditions. Also, it eliminates the
> bother of a sleeping bag. I flip and flop several times a night, and find a
> sleeping bag confining.

Open the sleeping bag up and us it as a blanket.
Sleep on top of it to keep from sticking to the pad.
Your sheet sounds like a youth hostel sleeping sack.
I have a polyester one that adds 10-degrees F of warmth to the sleeping
bag.

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> Open the sleeping bag up and us it as a blanket.
> Sleep on top of it to keep from sticking to the pad.
> Your sheet sounds like a youth hostel sleeping sack.
> I have a polyester one that adds 10-degrees F of warmth to the sleeping
> bag.

Yep, we learned years ago to bring two sets of cotton sheets to OSH, and lay
those between you and the sleeping bag.

There are very few things less comfortable than laying on polyester on a hot
summer night.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gene Seibel]

On Jul 12, 6:41*pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> >I like camping by the plane. I suggest a good blackout mask and good ear
> >plugs.
>
> Yep. *Especially if you get parked near the road, you *will* need the ear
> plugs. *They make a world of difference.
>
> The eye mask is useful if (a) you're parked near bright lights, or (b) you
> are foolish enough to waste valuable plane-gawking time trying to sleep
> during the day at OSH!

A plane starting up at 7am just outside your tent is an
adventure.......;)
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> The eye mask is useful if (a) you're parked near bright lights, or (b) you
> are foolish enough to waste valuable plane-gawking time trying to sleep
> during the day at OSH!

>A plane starting up at 7am just outside your tent is an
>adventure.......;)

I'm never able to sleep late at OSH. In the old days, it was one of the
babies crying at oh-dark-thirty. Later, it was the little kids, with their
endless energy. ("Daddy, daddy, daddy! Let's go see the Warbirds!" --
before the sun is up...) Then it was lack of bladder capacity after a night
of drinking adult beverages.

Throw in a B-25 taking off low over your tent at 7 AM (or earlier, rules be
damned), and you've got the recipe for a week of sleep deprivation.

God help me, I love it so...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jon Woellhaf[_2_]]

What happened to the yodeler?

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Yzrfk.255850$yE1.227267@attbi_s21...
>
> I'm never able to sleep late at OSH. In the old days, it was one of the
> babies crying at oh-dark-thirty. Later, it was the little kids, with
> their endless energy. ("Daddy, daddy, daddy! Let's go see the
> Warbirds!" -- before the sun is up...) Then it was lack of bladder
> capacity after a night of drinking adult beverages.
>
> Throw in a B-25 taking off low over your tent at 7 AM (or earlier, rules
> be damned), and you've got the recipe for a week of sleep deprivation.
>
> God help me, I love it so...
>
> :-)

[john smith]

In article
>,
Gene Seibel > wrote:

> A plane starting up at 7am just outside your tent is an
> adventure.......;)

Only if it is a round engined radial or a Merlin.

Two or three years ago the North Forty was awakened by a B-25 taking
off the west, followed immediately by two P-51's departing to the east.
Best alarm clock I every heard!

[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

> What happened to the yodeler?

Alas, he died.

Of course, in the North 40, we were usually too far away to hear him very
well unless the wind was calm, or out of the East. It was a haunting
sound, for sure, that awakened us many mornings.

I thought they were auditioning new yodelers, a few years back -- but I
never heard if they ever found another one...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Margy Natalie]

Gene Seibel wrote:
> On Jul 12, 6:41 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>>>I like camping by the plane. I suggest a good blackout mask and good ear
>>>plugs.
>>
>>Yep. Especially if you get parked near the road, you *will* need the ear
>>plugs. They make a world of difference.
>>
>>The eye mask is useful if (a) you're parked near bright lights, or (b) you
>>are foolish enough to waste valuable plane-gawking time trying to sleep
>>during the day at OSH!
>
>
> A plane starting up at 7am just outside your tent is an
> adventure.......;)
> --
> Gene Seibel
> Tales of flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
> Because we fly, we envy no one.
One year we were camping off the end of the ultralight runway (a very
good alarm clock) and were quite dismayed when we slept in until 10! (it
was IFR). That damned alarm clock we depended on didn't go off!

Margy

[Ray Andraka]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> I like camping by the plane. I suggest a good blackout mask and good
>> ear plugs.
>
>
> Yep. Especially if you get parked near the road, you *will* need the
> ear plugs. They make a world of difference.
>
> The eye mask is useful if (a) you're parked near bright lights, or (b)
> you are foolish enough to waste valuable plane-gawking time trying to
> sleep during the day at OSH!
>
> :-)

I second the ear plugs if you happen to be along the fence over by Friar
Tucks. Every morning last year there was at least one yahoo who
apparently found humor in laying on his horn as he drove past at about
5AM. Not to mention the overnight truck traffic. Still, I wouldn't
trade the camping experience away.

[Darrel Toepfer]

Ray Andraka > wrote:

> I second the ear plugs if you happen to be along the fence over by Friar
> Tucks. Every morning last year there was at least one yahoo who
> apparently found humor in laying on his horn as he drove past at about
> 5AM. Not to mention the overnight truck traffic. Still, I wouldn't
> trade the camping experience away.

Hey I resemble that remark... But it was after 5am... ;-)

[Darrel Toepfer]

"RST Engineering" > wrote:

> Robert...
>
> Quite frankly we don't give a hairy rat's ass about your experience
> about camping in the Sierra. (Sierra IS singular, by the way, look it
> up). After 35 years of Oshkosh, camping, dorming, and sleeping in the
> airplane, in all that time I've been cold ONCE for ONE night. Lessee
> now, that's 35 times seven inverse ... less than one half of one
> percent.
>
> PLEASE take your camping experience in the Sierra and stuff it.
> Listen to those who have been there for a few dozen years.
>
> And I trump your assistant scoutmaster as a merit badge consultant for
> 30+ years through the Sacramento Council down by Sac State.

I and my dad, "camped" with Jim and his wife last year at the B&B. The
A/C kept the sleeping compartments quite comfortable. Waiting for use of
the shower was never more than a few minutes either (if any)!!!

I do want to "fly" there at least once though, so maybe next year when
I'll be finished with the restoration...

My neighbor (he owns a BE-55 and a Harley) flew up his friends "55" and
they rented Harley's in Milwaukee. Not sure how much time they spent at
OshGosh, but they put 1000 miles on the bikes. That sounds like a nice
trip...