Brian
March 8th 04, 12:55 AM
"Bill Shatzer" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Brian wrote:
> > "Bill Shatzer" > wrote in message
>
> > > > This is true in a perfect SAGE environment with the waves of bombers
> > > > heading
> > > > your way straight and level.
>
> > > In what other mode would you suppose enemy bombers might be invading
the
> > > skies of Texas?
>
> > The Oregon ANG mission has been intercept for over 30 years....but for
some
> > strange reason, they still practice close in dogfighting skills.
>
> Do you suppose they genuinely expect to intercepting Bears coming over
> the pole?
No, but they are still practicing it.
> The F-102 was designed for one thing and one thing only and certainly
> wasn't capable of anything resembling a "dog fight". They tried 'em
> in Vietnam for a couple monts and quickly withdrew 'em.
So it must've been easy, eh? Not much harder than the private aircraft you
flew?
> > > I doubt the Texas ANG spent a lot of time practicing dog-fighting
> > > with its F-102s. Not that the Delta Dagger was much capable of
> > > dog-fighting in any event. Iffen it couldn't pop 'em with it's
> > > AIM-4s at five miles, it better run for cover 'cause a dog-fight
> > > is NOT where you want to be in an F-102. Hell, the F-102s didn't
> > > even have a gun and the Hughes AIM-4 Falcon was notoriously
ineffective
> > > against aircraft smaller than a Bear which were actually capable
> > > of manuevering.
> >
> > Just because the mission is intercept doesn't mean you don't practice
other
> > stuff. Our own Oregon ANG flys out twice a day and usually does training
on
> > intercept and dogfighting. Why would they do that if all they really
need to
> > worry about is a wave of bombers?? F-14's mission was pure intercept but
> > since it's fleet intro, they've been putting the thing into dogfights.
I'm
> > sure in 30 years your offspring will be saying President X wasn't really
a
> > pilot because he only flew F-14's and everyone knows the pilot barely
flew
> > them.
>
> Iffen an F-102 was an F-14 or F-15, you might have a point. It wasn't
> so you don't.
So F-102's didn't practice ACM?
> Flying an F-102 was but slightly harder than flying a Mercury capsule.
So why did they train a pilot to fly it? I mean c'mon! It flew itself right?
...
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Brian wrote:
> > "Bill Shatzer" > wrote in message
>
> > > > This is true in a perfect SAGE environment with the waves of bombers
> > > > heading
> > > > your way straight and level.
>
> > > In what other mode would you suppose enemy bombers might be invading
the
> > > skies of Texas?
>
> > The Oregon ANG mission has been intercept for over 30 years....but for
some
> > strange reason, they still practice close in dogfighting skills.
>
> Do you suppose they genuinely expect to intercepting Bears coming over
> the pole?
No, but they are still practicing it.
> The F-102 was designed for one thing and one thing only and certainly
> wasn't capable of anything resembling a "dog fight". They tried 'em
> in Vietnam for a couple monts and quickly withdrew 'em.
So it must've been easy, eh? Not much harder than the private aircraft you
flew?
> > > I doubt the Texas ANG spent a lot of time practicing dog-fighting
> > > with its F-102s. Not that the Delta Dagger was much capable of
> > > dog-fighting in any event. Iffen it couldn't pop 'em with it's
> > > AIM-4s at five miles, it better run for cover 'cause a dog-fight
> > > is NOT where you want to be in an F-102. Hell, the F-102s didn't
> > > even have a gun and the Hughes AIM-4 Falcon was notoriously
ineffective
> > > against aircraft smaller than a Bear which were actually capable
> > > of manuevering.
> >
> > Just because the mission is intercept doesn't mean you don't practice
other
> > stuff. Our own Oregon ANG flys out twice a day and usually does training
on
> > intercept and dogfighting. Why would they do that if all they really
need to
> > worry about is a wave of bombers?? F-14's mission was pure intercept but
> > since it's fleet intro, they've been putting the thing into dogfights.
I'm
> > sure in 30 years your offspring will be saying President X wasn't really
a
> > pilot because he only flew F-14's and everyone knows the pilot barely
flew
> > them.
>
> Iffen an F-102 was an F-14 or F-15, you might have a point. It wasn't
> so you don't.
So F-102's didn't practice ACM?
> Flying an F-102 was but slightly harder than flying a Mercury capsule.
So why did they train a pilot to fly it? I mean c'mon! It flew itself right?