JSTARS, River Joint, U-2s to seek bin Laden

[AllanStern]

CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy U-2 spy
planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden. They
claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock surveillance/search to
locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the search.

AL STERN Satellite Beach FL

[Tarver Engineering]

"AllanStern" > wrote in message
...
> CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy U-2
spy
> planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden.
They
> claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock surveillance/search
to
> locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the
search.

Nice R&D opertunity. A little verification goes a long way.

[Dav1936531]

>From: (AllanStern)
>
>
>CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy U-2 spy
planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden. They
claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock surveillance/search to
locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the search.<

Most probably, anything we hear in the press concerning the techniques involved
in the search is an elaborate campaign of deception.
Dave

[Bob McKellar]

AllanStern wrote:

> CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy U-2 spy
> planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden. They
> claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock surveillance/search to
> locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the search.
>
> AL STERN Satellite Beach FL

It's really too bad that these kind of assets weren't available several years
ago.

Bob McKellar, expecting a late October capture

[Tarver Engineering]

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
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>
>
> AllanStern wrote:
>
> > CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy
U-2 spy
> > planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden.
They
> > claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock
surveillance/search to
> > locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the
search.
> >
> > AL STERN Satellite Beach FL
>
> It's really too bad that these kind of assets weren't available several
years
> ago.

It takes time to turn the heroin North and create an economic reason for the
southern tribes to co-operate. Missing another entire crop would be bad for
their economies and further empower the northern tribes. I doubt bin Laden
will last until Otober.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> AllanStern wrote:
>
> > CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy
U-2 spy
> > planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden.
They
> > claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock
surveillance/search to
> > locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the
search.
> >
> > AL STERN Satellite Beach FL
>
> It's really too bad that these kind of assets weren't available several
years
> ago.

They were, and they were used, and I'd be surprised if they have not
continued to be used over Afghanistan and the Pakistani border region since
then. The use of all three platforms was reported during the earlier
operations conducted in Afghanistan; that CNN is acting as if this is some
kind of new development is hardly surprising, given the poor accuracy of
their military reporting to date. Not sure how much value the JSTARS adds to
the mix, given the terrain and nature of the target.

>
> Bob McKellar, expecting a late October capture

Uhhh...yeah. I guess the military is in on some great political conspriacy,
huh?

Brooks
>

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
<snip>
>
>Nice R&D opertunity. A little verification goes a long way.
>

Please define "opertunity."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >Nice R&D opertunity. A little verification goes a long way.
> >
>
> Please define "opertunity."

http://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/17/Aquarion_and_the_unmissed_opertunity

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on 10 Mar 2004 16:38:52 GMT,
AllanStern attempted to say .....

> CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy U-2 spy
> planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden. They
> claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock surveillance/search to
> locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the search.
>

That's means they have been doing it for some weeks now.....


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:42:41 -0500,
Bob McKellar attempted to say .....

>
>
> AllanStern wrote:
>
> > CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy U-2 spy
> > planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden. They
> > claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock surveillance/search to
> > locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the search.
> >
> > AL STERN Satellite Beach FL
>
> It's really too bad that these kind of assets weren't available several years
> ago.

Umm, they were.
JSTARS was used in Gulf War I even though it was still in the testing
phase and had not been fully approved yet.
Rivet Joint has been around forever.



--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"

>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>> >
>> <snip>
>> >
>> >Nice R&D opertunity. A little verification goes a long way.
>> >
>>
>> Please define "opertunity."
>
>
>http://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/17/Aquarion_and_the_unmissed_o
pertunity
>

No definition there.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[D. Strang]

"AllanStern" > wrote
>
> CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy U-2 spy
> planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden. They
> claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock surveillance/search to
> locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the search.

E-3, E-8, RC-135 are really the A-Team in Command, Control, and Communications.

The problem is, that none of them work worth a **** in mountainous terrain.

If you are going to have an air to ground war, then you really need to have the
A-Team there for the rack and stack of finding and killing targets while managing
tankers, bombers, attack assets, etc. Having seen airborne radar in action in Pakistan,
I can tell you that it will be tough work to associate all the noise and dead spots.

[Kevin Brooks]

"D. Strang" > wrote in message
news:BVR3c.16402$m4.4457@okepread03...
> "AllanStern" > wrote
> >
> > CNN is reporting this morning that the US Mil is about to deploy
U-2 spy
> > planes, JSTARS acft, and Rivet Joint RC-135s to search for bin Laden.
They
> > claim that the US is going to maintain round-the-clock
surveillance/search to
> > locate him. They say the acft will be controlling some RPVs in the
search.
>
> E-3, E-8, RC-135 are really the A-Team in Command, Control, and
Communications.
>
> The problem is, that none of them work worth a **** in mountainous
terrain.
>
> If you are going to have an air to ground war, then you really need to
have the
> A-Team there for the rack and stack of finding and killing targets while
managing
> tankers, bombers, attack assets, etc. Having seen airborne radar in
action in Pakistan,
> I can tell you that it will be tough work to associate all the noise and
dead spots.

I suspect you are right about the E-8, but not-so-right about the RC-135 and
U-2; the first has no real use for ground mapping radar and does not have
such a capability, while the second is far from being limited to using just
SLAR. The RC-135 is undoubtedly there to keep OBL from using any handy
radios, cell phones, and the like; the U-2 can also do some of that, and
provide photo coverage with realtime feeds to users and analysts.

Brooks
>
>

[D. Strang]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote
>
> I suspect you are right about the E-8, but not-so-right about the RC-135 and
> U-2; the first has no real use for ground mapping radar and does not have
> such a capability, while the second is far from being limited to using just
> SLAR. The RC-135 is undoubtedly there to keep OBL from using any handy
> radios, cell phones, and the like; the U-2 can also do some of that, and
> provide photo coverage with realtime feeds to users and analysts.

I don't know much about the RC, other than the one that nearly mounted us as
we were in formation for a tanker during pre-contact at a Green Flag :-) One
of the problems with triangulation (even the super-duper kind) in the mountains
is what is called multi-path. Search and rescue have a lot of experience with
this bad effect, and that's with people who *want* to be found.

It's going to be a tough job, but you need that aerial team, to compliment the
gomers sweeping the grass, and running their dogs.

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
> >
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >> >
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> >Nice R&D opertunity. A little verification goes a long way.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Please define "opertunity."
> >
> >
> >http://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/17/Aquarion_and_the_unmissed_o
> pertunity
> >
>
> No definition there.

Same as any of your google searched up archive trolls, Dan.

[Bernardz]

In article <MFS3c.16405$m4.131@okepread03>,
says...
> It's going to be a tough job, but you need that aerial team, to compliment the
> gomers sweeping the grass, and running their dogs.
>
>

I have more faith in such techniques in finding ObL then the U2's. Also
I suggest a few trackers to help as well.

--
In dictatorships when things go wrong, people have a plausible person
like Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong-Il to blame whereas we
in democracies have to invent someone.


Observations of Bernard - No 52

[Denyav]

>Bob McKellar, expecting a late October capture

Whats about early summer?
Specially after a couple of high profile terror acts voters will remember the
"capture" of OBL in November.

[Bob McKellar]

Denyav wrote:

> >Bob McKellar, expecting a late October capture
>
> Whats about early summer?
> Specially after a couple of high profile terror acts voters will remember the
> "capture" of OBL in November.

Damn, a guy makes one little smartass remark, just a joke, and wakes up in a post
with Denyav.

I feel so dirty!

Bob McKellar

[Stephen Harding]

Bob McKellar wrote:

>
> Denyav wrote:
>
>
>>>Bob McKellar, expecting a late October capture
>>
>>Whats about early summer?
>>Specially after a couple of high profile terror acts voters will remember the
>>"capture" of OBL in November.
>
>
> Damn, a guy makes one little smartass remark, just a joke, and wakes up in a post
> with Denyav.
>
> I feel so dirty!

Well...*my* authority has it that OBL has *already* been
captured!

Yup! Gee Dubya is simply waiting for a week or so before
voting day to spring the news. I think the master of
Islamic-based terror is being held where they filmed the
moon landing.

Kerry might just as well give his concession speech now.


SMH

[Peter Kemp]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:24:54 -0500, Stephen Harding
> wrote:

>Bob McKellar wrote:
>
>>
>> Denyav wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Bob McKellar, expecting a late October capture
>>>
>>>Whats about early summer?
>>>Specially after a couple of high profile terror acts voters will remember the
>>>"capture" of OBL in November.
>>
>>
>> Damn, a guy makes one little smartass remark, just a joke, and wakes up in a post
>> with Denyav.
>>
>> I feel so dirty!
>
>Well...*my* authority has it that OBL has *already* been
>captured!
>
>Yup! Gee Dubya is simply waiting for a week or so before
>voting day to spring the news. I think the master of
>Islamic-based terror is being held where they filmed the
>moon landing.
>
>Kerry might just as well give his concession speech now.

He can't - he's being held in the next cell, helpless while his clone
(made from sooper sekrit UFO technology that the Raelians stole from
the WW2 Germans) is going to spout meanlingless gibberish for the rest
of the campaign......or is that Bush who's been cloned into an idiot?

:-)
---
Peter Kemp

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