You're French... surrender already!

[Garrison Hilliard]

PARIS, MARCH 16:
Osama Bin Laden narrowly escaped capture by French troops in Afghanistan,
perhaps several times, the head of France’s armed forces said today. But French
soldiers are determined to capture the Al Qaeda chief by the end of the year,
Gen Henri Bentegeat said today.
‘‘Our men were not very far,’’ Bentegeat told France’s Europe-1 radio
station. ‘‘On several occasions, I even think that he slipped out of a net that
was well closed.’’
Bentegeat did not specify when or where the escapes took place and a Defence
Ministry spokeswoman declined to give details. Pakistan’s rugged mountains that
border Afghanistan are believed to be a possible hiding place of Laden.
Bentegeat said that some 200 French troops were working with American forces in
Afghanistan in the drive to track holdouts of the Taliban and Laden’s Al Qaeda
terrorist group.

Meanwhile, the French Justice Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday that it
has received threats of a possible attack against French interests from an
Islamic group. The ministry said it had received a warning from a group called
‘‘Servants of Allah the Powerful and Wise’’. Experts say France is a target
because of its cooperation with authorities fighting Islamic militants in its
former North African colonies.
http://tinyurl.com/2kt7x

[tscottme]

Garrison Hilliard > wrote in message
...
<snip>
>
> Meanwhile, the French Justice Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday
that it
> has received threats of a possible attack against French interests
from an
> Islamic group. The ministry said it had received a warning from a
group called
> ''Servants of Allah the Powerful and Wise''. Experts say France is a
target
> because of its cooperation with authorities fighting Islamic militants
in its
> former North African colonies.
> http://tinyurl.com/2kt7x

The General in charge of surrender may be busy in Haiti or Ivory Coast.

--
Scott
--------
Who would ever have guessed that the Europeans would react to terrorism
by seeking more socialism, denial, and appeasement?

[Nemo l'ancien]

>
>
>
>
>
I hope French will seize OBL before any other asshole. And then wil come
the proof of this stupid war for ****

[tscottme]

Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
...
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I hope French will seize OBL before any other asshole. And then wil
come
> the proof of this stupid war for ****

"Hope", France's secret weapon!

--
Scott
--------
Who would ever have guessed that the Europeans would react to terrorism
by seeking more socialism, denial, and appeasement?

[Nemo l'ancien]

>
>
>
No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
and your weapons..

[Tarver Engineering]

"Nemo l'ancien" > wrote in message
...
>
> >
> >
> >
> No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> and your weapons..

"It's none of your business"
John Kerry responding to an American Voter during a town hall meeting, March
2004

[Jarg]

"Nemo l'ancien" > wrote in message
...
>
> >
> >
> >
> No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> and your weapons..

The French have much for which to be hopeful!

Jarg

[pcg]

> "It's none of your business"

Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)

[Tarver Engineering]

"pcg" > wrote in message
...
> > "It's none of your business"
>
> Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)

I love France.

[pcg]

> > Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)
>
> I love France.

Great, I like it too ;o)
But not everybody on this ng...

[Nemo l'ancien]

>
>
>
Again, short minded stupid answer...

[Tarver Engineering]

"Nemo l'ancien" > wrote in message
...
>
> >
> >
> >
> Again, short minded stupid answer...

Yes.

[tscottme]

Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
...
>
> >
> >
> >
> No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> and your weapons..


Weren't Saddam's weapons French and Russian? Weren't Saddam's oil
contracts with France and Russia?

Being French, maybe your German is better than your English.

--
Scott
--------
Instead of vowing to fight the people who killed their fellow citizens,
the Spanish decided to vote with al-Qaida on the war. A murdering
terrorist organization said, "Jump!" and an entire country answered,
"How high?" -- Ann Coulter

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"tscottme" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> > and your weapons..
>
>
> Weren't Saddam's weapons French and Russian?

No, he used US choppers to gas his Kurds.

Weren't Saddam's oil
> contracts with France and Russia?

Non, they were american too; the same companys that were negociating with
the Taliban up until 9/11 for pipelines through Afghanistan.

>
> Being French, maybe your German is better than your English.

Out of arguments are we?? (grin)

--
Pierre-Henri Baras
___________________________
French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net

Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
http://www.aviation-fr.info

[Tarver Engineering]

"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tscottme" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> > Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> > > and your weapons..
> >
> >
> > Weren't Saddam's weapons French and Russian?
>
> No, he used US choppers to gas his Kurds.

Artillery from helocopters?

> Weren't Saddam's oil
> > contracts with France and Russia?
>
> Non, they were american too; the same companys that were negociating with
> the Taliban up until 9/11 for pipelines through Afghanistan.

The American pipeline runs through Iran. (Union Oil)

> > Being French, maybe your German is better than your English.
>
> Out of arguments are we?? (grin)

Although the UN and France and the UK were compromised by Saddam's oil
brobes to individuals, there don't seem to be German fingers in that pie.

[Keith Willshaw]

"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tscottme" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> > Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> > > and your weapons..
> >
> >
> > Weren't Saddam's weapons French and Russian?
>
> No, he used US choppers to gas his Kurds.
>
> Weren't Saddam's oil
> > contracts with France and Russia?
>
> Non, they were american too; the same companys that were negociating with
> the Taliban up until 9/11 for pipelines through Afghanistan.
>

Incorrect on both counts

The company awarded the contracts for refurbisihing existing
fields in Iraq and expaning new ones was TotalFinaElf

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2003/0507total.htm

Unocal withdrew from the Afghan pipeline project in Dec 1998

http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/98news/centgas.htm

Keith

[pcg]

> > Non, they were american too; the same companys that were negociating
with
> > the Taliban up until 9/11 for pipelines through Afghanistan.
>
> The American pipeline runs through Iran. (Union Oil)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm


> > > Being French, maybe your German is better than your English.
> >
> > Out of arguments are we?? (grin)
>
> Although the UN and France and the UK were compromised by Saddam's oil
> brobes to individuals, there don't seem to be German fingers in that pie.

Sure.

[Alan Minyard]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:01:19 +0100, "pcg" > wrote:

>> "It's none of your business"
>
>Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)
>
Why? France, because of its behavior, has become such an
easy target that it is hard to resist "bashing" it. The French think that
they can get away with even the most outrageous behavior. Well,
this time France was wrong, they will not get away with it. The
punishment has hardly begun.

Al Minyard

[Alan Minyard]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:04:18 -0800, "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

>
>"pcg" > wrote in message
...
>> > "It's none of your business"
>>
>> Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)
>
>I love France.
>
That is probably the worst indictment possible.

Al Minyard

[Tarver Engineering]

"Alan Minyard" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:04:18 -0800, "Tarver Engineering" >
wrote:
>
> >
> >"pcg" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> > "It's none of your business"
> >>
> >> Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)
> >
> >I love France.
> >
> That is probably the worst indictment possible.

US/French reconciliation is in progress.

[pcg]

> > >I love France.
> > >
> > That is probably the worst indictment possible.
>
> US/French reconciliation is in progress.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/03/19/big.macs.reut/index.html :o)

[ArVa]

"Tarver Engineering" > a écrit dans le message de
...
>
> I love France.

We're doomed!...

[pcg]

> Why? France, because of its behavior, has become such an
> easy target that it is hard to resist "bashing" it. The French think that
> they can get away with even the most outrageous behavior.

> Well, this time France was wrong,

Seen from this side of the ocean, the point of view is a bit different :o)
Iraq close to civil war, terrorist "resistance", islamists developping, no
WMD, Poland declares that Bush lied, Spain leaving...
Not sure that the US was wright.

> The punishment has hardly begun.

That's the problem : what punishment ?
Because we didn't want to be killed for your war ?

[OXMORON1]

Tarver wrote:
>US/French reconciliation is in progress.

Is that who Kerry has been talking to?

Rick Clark

[Tarver Engineering]

"ArVa" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > a écrit dans le message de
> ...
> >
> > I love France.
>
> We're doomed!...

Most certainly.

[ArVa]

"Tarver Engineering" > a écrit dans le message de
...
>
> > > I love France.
> >
> > We're doomed!...
>
> Most certainly.
>

Touché! :-)

[Tarver Engineering]

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver wrote:
> >US/French reconciliation is in progress.
>
> Is that who Kerry has been talking to?

Kerry's campaign is now claiming that any endorsement, or converstaions
with, leaders in foreign governments is inapropriate. Perhaps Secretary
Powell's message was received and understood.

The French should understand full well what the Islamists want and there is
no money in the way of doing the correct thing now.

[Leslie Swartz]

Hey, Dude, I love France too.

It's just the French people (and their leaders) I can't stand.

Steve Swartz

"pcg" > wrote in message
...
> > > Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)
> >
> > I love France.
>
> Great, I like it too ;o)
> But not everybody on this ng...
>
>

[Leslie Swartz]

Yeah, of course.

The French student here on a "Study Abroad" program is still apologizing for
her countrymen's stupidity/perfidy (and working very, very hard on that
whole Visa extension thing) . . .

Steve Swartz


"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Alan Minyard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:04:18 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"pcg" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> > "It's none of your business"
> > >>
> > >> Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)
> > >
> > >I love France.
> > >
> > That is probably the worst indictment possible.
>
> US/French reconciliation is in progress.
>
>

[Leslie Swartz]

The French, being socialist, government worshipping sheep, don't realize the
*significance* of the awakening of "Joe Sixpack" (not to be confused with
"John Kerry" et al) to their core xenophobic, jingoistic, nationalistic
anti-americanism (ref recent deals with China).

Germany- WAKE UP!

They're yours this time . . .

NO WAY would the american people come to your aid (well, with the possible
exception of misty-eyed fellow travelers like Art Kramer) this time around.

Steve Swartz



"Alan Minyard" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:01:19 +0100, "pcg" > wrote:
>
> >> "It's none of your business"
> >
> >Exactly. So please, stop bashing France :o)
> >
> Why? France, because of its behavior, has become such an
> easy target that it is hard to resist "bashing" it. The French think that
> they can get away with even the most outrageous behavior. Well,
> this time France was wrong, they will not get away with it. The
> punishment has hardly begun.
>
> Al Minyard

[Leslie Swartz]

Q: What does a Frenchman call a Wermacht soldier?

A: Daddy


"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tscottme" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> > Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> > > and your weapons..
> >
> >
> > Weren't Saddam's weapons French and Russian?
>
> No, he used US choppers to gas his Kurds.
>
> Weren't Saddam's oil
> > contracts with France and Russia?
>
> Non, they were american too; the same companys that were negociating with
> the Taliban up until 9/11 for pipelines through Afghanistan.
>
> >
> > Being French, maybe your German is better than your English.
>
> Out of arguments are we?? (grin)
>
> --
> Pierre-Henri Baras
> ___________________________
> French Fleet Air Arm
> http://www.ffaa.net
>
> Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
> http://www.aviation-fr.info
>
>
>

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:04:50 -0600,
tscottme attempted to say .....

> Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
> > and your weapons..
>
>
> Weren't Saddam's weapons French and Russian? Weren't Saddam's oil
> contracts with France and Russia?
>
> Being French, maybe your German is better than your English.

It should be, they got so much practice in the last century.



--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Stephen Harding]

Leslie Swartz wrote:

> Germany- WAKE UP!
>
> They're yours this time . . .
>
> NO WAY would the american people come to your aid (well, with the possible
> exception of misty-eyed fellow travelers like Art Kramer) this time around.

I don't recall Art getting too misty-eyed over the French!

In fact, we're having a nice, long, multi-threaded run at
French bashing and Art hasn't joined in at all [yet]!!!

The skeet migrations must be under way, and the shooting
is just too good to bother trashing Frenchmen.


SMH

[Skysurfer]

Leslie Swartz wrote :

> Q: What does a Frenchman call a Wermacht soldier?
>
> A: Daddy

Q: How did Ossama Bin Laden call the CIA's chief in the 80's ?

A : Boss.

[Cub Driver]

>I don't recall Art getting too misty-eyed over the French!

No, Art just generally detests everybody and everything except the
latest Democratic candidate for president. No doubt if it came to a
choice between Chirac and Bush, however, he would vote for Chirac.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (requires authentication)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Keith Willshaw]

"Skysurfer" > wrote in message
...
> Leslie Swartz wrote :
>
> > Q: What does a Frenchman call a Wermacht soldier?
> >
> > A: Daddy
>
> Q: How did Ossama Bin Laden call the CIA's chief in the 80's ?
>
> A : Boss.

Actualy not, the local CIA cheif knew of Bin Laden's operation
but it was a parallel one not under his command.

Keith

[Franck]

Please d'ont stop Alan, you're so ridiculous, it's a real pleasure

--
Franck
http://www.foxalpha.com
http://www.pegase-airshow.com

[[email protected]]

Stephen Harding > wrote:

>
>The skeet migrations must be under way, and the shooting
>is just too good to bother trashing Frenchmen.
>
>
>SMH

Speaking of which, I wonder if the skeet down there are of any
better quality than those out on the East coast here? Ours here
seem to be quite lacking of white meat...almost all dark...
--

-Gord.

[Stephen Harding]

wrote:

> Stephen Harding > wrote:
>
>>The skeet migrations must be under way, and the shooting
>>is just too good to bother trashing Frenchmen.
>
> Speaking of which, I wonder if the skeet down there are of any
> better quality than those out on the East coast here? Ours here
> seem to be quite lacking of white meat...almost all dark...

Ours have dark meat with yellow interiors.

Pretty tough chewing!


SMH

[Alan Minyard]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:47:16 +0100, "pcg" > wrote:

>> Why? France, because of its behavior, has become such an
>> easy target that it is hard to resist "bashing" it. The French think that
>> they can get away with even the most outrageous behavior.
>
>> Well, this time France was wrong,
>
>Seen from this side of the ocean, the point of view is a bit different :o)
>Iraq close to civil war, terrorist "resistance", islamists developping, no
>WMD, Poland declares that Bush lied, Spain leaving...
>Not sure that the US was wright.
>
>> The punishment has hardly begun.
>
>That's the problem : what punishment ?
>Because we didn't want to be killed for your war ?
>
No, because you were cowards making money off
of illegal contracts with Saddam. France is an
embarrassment to man-kind.

Al Minyard

[pcg]

> >That's the problem : what punishment ?
> >Because we didn't want to be killed for your war ?
> >
> No, because you were cowards making money off
> of illegal contracts with Saddam.

"Les affaires sont les affaires" :o))))
The irangate was a pretty funny business too...

> France is an
> embarrassment to man-kind.

I fully agree, and that's why we love it :o)

[Skysurfer]

Alan Minyard wrote :

> No, because you were cowards making money off
> of illegal contracts with Saddam. France is an
> embarrassment to man-kind.

Bla bla bla ...
You're an embarrassment to intelligence.

[[email protected]]

Stephen Harding > wrote:

wrote:
>
>> Stephen Harding > wrote:
>>
>>>The skeet migrations must be under way, and the shooting
>>>is just too good to bother trashing Frenchmen.
>>
>> Speaking of which, I wonder if the skeet down there are of any
>> better quality than those out on the East coast here? Ours here
>> seem to be quite lacking of white meat...almost all dark...
>
>Ours have dark meat with yellow interiors.
>
>Pretty tough chewing!
>
>
>SMH

Ours seem quite crunchy, good for your teeth they say...
--

-Gord.

[Stephen Harding]

pcg wrote:

>>>That's the problem : what punishment ?
>>>Because we didn't want to be killed for your war ?
>>
>>No, because you were cowards making money off
>>of illegal contracts with Saddam.
>
> "Les affaires sont les affaires" :o))))
> The irangate was a pretty funny business too...

Irangate was pretty deeply looked in to if you recall.

Is anyone looking close at the business of French
contracts under the UN embargo? How about French
handling of the food-for-oil program?

Seems all the investigations are being done from
outside France or the UN.

Not too funny at all.


SMH

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"Stephen Harding" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...

> Irangate was pretty deeply looked in to if you recall.
>
> Is anyone looking close at the business of French
> contracts under the UN embargo?

No they aren't, and never will. People think France fears investigations on
Irak will show up more and more "illegal" contracts. Fact is the US are the
ones slowing investigations: they fear they would turn up the real loot.
That is the fact that since 1991 the US is the country that has made the
most $$ in Irak through their foreign subsidiairies, mainly their....French
ones.

Americans have to be very naive to think that France has made more money
than the US in Irak. They denounce Total and Elf contracts, but totally
ignore that US compagnies have been making 100 times more money!!!
Since when does the US stop in front of a UN or other international trade
barrier????
Europe has a lot to learn from the US as far as illegal money making is
concerned....

How about French
> handling of the food-for-oil program?

What exactly do you call "French Handling". People here spit on France,
dispise it, and underline it's uselessness and lack influence. And suddenly
we are in charge of the FOP ??? None of the big Five (UK, Fr, USA, China,
Russia) can legaly be in charge of a UN programm. Heads of these programms
have to come from non Big Five countries; just like for the UN Secretary.
How exactly did we "handle" the program more than the US ????? Considering
the power of Washington at the UN, the US has nobody to blame but itself.


--
Pierre-Henri Baras
___________________________
French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net

Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
http://www.aviation-fr.info

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote:

>
> "Stephen Harding" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
>
> > Irangate was pretty deeply looked in to if you recall.
> >
> > Is anyone looking close at the business of French
> > contracts under the UN embargo?
>
> No they aren't, and never will. People think France fears investigations on
> Irak will show up more and more "illegal" contracts. Fact is the US are the
> ones slowing investigations: they fear they would turn up the real loot.

Cite?

We'll wait for you.

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"Steve Hix" > a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
> In article >,
> "Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote:
>
> >
> > "Stephen Harding" > a écrit dans le message de
news:
> > ...
> >
> > > Irangate was pretty deeply looked in to if you recall.
> > >
> > > Is anyone looking close at the business of French
> > > contracts under the UN embargo?
> >
> > No they aren't, and never will. People think France fears investigations
on
> > Irak will show up more and more "illegal" contracts. Fact is the US are
the
> > ones slowing investigations: they fear they would turn up the real loot.
>
> Cite?
>
> We'll wait for you.


You just made my point! Thanks
My source:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.23D.Cheney.Circumvented.htm

Take your time to answer.

--
Pierre-Henri Baras
___________________________
French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net

Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
http://www.aviation-fr.info

[Kevin Brooks]

"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve Hix" > a écrit dans le message de
> news: ...
> > In article >,
> > "Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Stephen Harding" > a écrit dans le message de
> news:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > Irangate was pretty deeply looked in to if you recall.
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone looking close at the business of French
> > > > contracts under the UN embargo?
> > >
> > > No they aren't, and never will. People think France fears
investigations
> on
> > > Irak will show up more and more "illegal" contracts. Fact is the US
are
> the
> > > ones slowing investigations: they fear they would turn up the real
loot.
> >
> > Cite?
> >
> > We'll wait for you.
>
>
> You just made my point! Thanks
> My source:
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.23D.Cheney.Circumvented.htm
>
> Take your time to answer.

It would be even better if your source actually supported your contention.
Biased as it is, it indicates that the US sponsored contracts all went
through the UN program. So let's get this straight--in an attempt to deflect
criticism of French companies dealing directly with Saddam to secure
lucrative oilfield development contracts (without competition) which were
dependent upon the relaxation or elimination of the controls imposed upon
Iraqi oil exports, and the related acknowledged acceptance of oil "vouchers"
by at least one French national with what has been described as a close
relationship with Chirac, not to mention the subsequent French governmental
initiative to indeed relax the sanctions, you offer up the example of US
companies purhasing oil legitimately through the UN sanctioned program? Wow,
what a scoop you have there...

Brooks

>
> --
> Pierre-Henri Baras
> ___________________________
> French Fleet Air Arm
> http://www.ffaa.net
>
> Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
> http://www.aviation-fr.info
>
>

[Nemo l'ancien]

>
>
>
No, Bush and OBL money...

[Nemo l'ancien]

tscottme a écrit :

>Nemo l'ancien > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>No, way of life. You have no more any one, thinking only by your Dolar
>>and your weapons..
>>
>>
>
>
>Weren't Saddam's weapons French and Russian? Weren't Saddam's oil
>contracts with France and Russia?
>
>And my Spanish is better than my French or English
>
>

>
>
>
And all this biological and chemical starters werez coming from where?

[Nemo l'ancien]

>
>
Your are making the world a lot of **** because no more than 3000
people have been killed on your nbational soil....
Come here in the eastern part of France, and then you may perhaps me
realize what a real war means for the civilians...

[Leslie Swartz]

"Truthout.org!????!!!"


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Steve




"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve Hix" > a écrit dans le message de
> news: ...
> > In article >,
> > "Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Stephen Harding" > a écrit dans le message de
> news:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > Irangate was pretty deeply looked in to if you recall.
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone looking close at the business of French
> > > > contracts under the UN embargo?
> > >
> > > No they aren't, and never will. People think France fears
investigations
> on
> > > Irak will show up more and more "illegal" contracts. Fact is the US
are
> the
> > > ones slowing investigations: they fear they would turn up the real
loot.
> >
> > Cite?
> >
> > We'll wait for you.
>
>
> You just made my point! Thanks
> My source:
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.23D.Cheney.Circumvented.htm
>
> Take your time to answer.
>
> --
> Pierre-Henri Baras
> ___________________________
> French Fleet Air Arm
> http://www.ffaa.net
>
> Encyclopédie de l'Aviation
> http://www.aviation-fr.info
>
>

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"Kevin Brooks" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> > You just made my point! Thanks
> > My source:
> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.23D.Cheney.Circumvented.htm
> >
> > Take your time to answer.
>
> It would be even better if your source actually supported your contention.
> Biased as it is, it indicates that the US sponsored contracts all went
> through the UN program. So let's get this straight--in an attempt to
deflect
> criticism of French companies dealing directly with Saddam to secure
> lucrative oilfield development contracts (without competition) which were
> dependent upon the relaxation or elimination of the controls imposed upon
> Iraqi oil exports, and the related acknowledged acceptance of oil
"vouchers"
> by at least one French national with what has been described as a close
> relationship with Chirac, not to mention the subsequent French
governmental
> initiative to indeed relax the sanctions, you offer up the example of US
> companies purhasing oil legitimately through the UN sanctioned program?
Wow,
> what a scoop you have there...
>



***yawn***

[Kevin Brooks]

"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> > > You just made my point! Thanks
> > > My source:
> > > http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.23D.Cheney.Circumvented.htm
> > >
> > > Take your time to answer.
> >
> > It would be even better if your source actually supported your
contention.
> > Biased as it is, it indicates that the US sponsored contracts all went
> > through the UN program. So let's get this straight--in an attempt to
> deflect
> > criticism of French companies dealing directly with Saddam to secure
> > lucrative oilfield development contracts (without competition) which
were
> > dependent upon the relaxation or elimination of the controls imposed
upon
> > Iraqi oil exports, and the related acknowledged acceptance of oil
> "vouchers"
> > by at least one French national with what has been described as a close
> > relationship with Chirac, not to mention the subsequent French
> governmental
> > initiative to indeed relax the sanctions, you offer up the example of US
> > companies purhasing oil legitimately through the UN sanctioned program?
> Wow,
> > what a scoop you have there...
> >
>
> ***yawn***

That is about as intelligent a response as you have provided thus far in
this exchange.

Brooks

>
>

[Pierre-Henri Baras]

"Kevin Brooks" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> > ***yawn***
>
> That is about as intelligent a response as you have provided thus far in
> this exchange.
>
>

Well, you only appeared in this thread to counter my allegations; nothing
else. You have brought nothing else.
According to your general attitude I assume that if I said that 2+2=4, you'd
eventually find a way to prove that I'm wrong.
We can go on for days; I don't mind. You're anchored in your beliefs and I
am in mine.

Whatever. If this NG served any other cause than French bashing and
political dispute, we'd know it, wouldn't we?

PHB

[Tarver Engineering]

"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> > > ***yawn***
> >
> > That is about as intelligent a response as you have provided thus far in
> > this exchange.

> Well, you only appeared in this thread to counter my allegations; nothing
> else. You have brought nothing else.

Kevin's contribution to ram is mostly noise.

> According to your general attitude I assume that if I said that 2+2=4,
you'd
> eventually find a way to prove that I'm wrong.
> We can go on for days; I don't mind. You're anchored in your beliefs and I
> am in mine.

It could go on forever.

> Whatever. If this NG served any other cause than French bashing and
> political dispute, we'd know it, wouldn't we?

There is a thread about French airplanes.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> > > ***yawn***
> >
> > That is about as intelligent a response as you have provided thus far in
> > this exchange.
> >
> >
>
> Well, you only appeared in this thread to counter my allegations; nothing
> else. You have brought nothing else.
> According to your general attitude I assume that if I said that 2+2=4,
you'd
> eventually find a way to prove that I'm wrong.
> We can go on for days; I don't mind. You're anchored in your beliefs and I
> am in mine.

LOL! I merely pointed out that your cited reference did not support the
allegation that the US or its companies engaged in any illegal or improper
activity, and that your attempt to sidestep the facts regarding the French
firms' direct dealings with Saddam and the *amazing* policy decision from
France to seek a relaxation of the oil export controls was coming up short
in terms of supporting *evidence*. Now, if you want *evidence* supporting
the accusations regarding those lucrative French deals with saddam, or the
fact that the individual in question has acknowledged receiving those oil
vouchers, let me know--I am sure we can find numerous references to both,
right?

>
> Whatever. If this NG served any other cause than French bashing and
> political dispute, we'd know it, wouldn't we?

So now pointing out that your source does not support your allegation is
"bashing", huh? A little bit sensitive, aren't you? Bashing, OTOH, would be
if I were to, say, tell an anti-French joke, like: "Going to war without
France as an ally is like going deer hunting without your accordion; all you
are leaving behind is noisy and worthless baggage." But I did not do that,
now did I?

Brooks

>
> PHB
>
>

[Alan Minyard]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:33:00 +0100, "Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote:

>
>"Steve Hix" > a écrit dans le message de
>news: ...
>> In article >,
>> "Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Stephen Harding" > a écrit dans le message de
>news:
>> > ...
>> >
>> > > Irangate was pretty deeply looked in to if you recall.
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone looking close at the business of French
>> > > contracts under the UN embargo?
>> >
>> > No they aren't, and never will. People think France fears investigations
>on
>> > Irak will show up more and more "illegal" contracts. Fact is the US are
>the
>> > ones slowing investigations: they fear they would turn up the real loot.
>>
>> Cite?
>>
>> We'll wait for you.
>
>
>You just made my point! Thanks
>My source:
>http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.23D.Cheney.Circumvented.htm
>
>Take your time to answer.

That is hardly a reliable, credible source, it is more like the rantings
or some extreme left wing loons. Try to be a little less duplicitous.

Al Minyard

[Alan Minyard]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:44:24 +0100, "Pierre-Henri Baras" > wrote:

>
>"Kevin Brooks" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>> > ***yawn***
>>
>> That is about as intelligent a response as you have provided thus far in
>> this exchange.
>>
>>
>
>Well, you only appeared in this thread to counter my allegations; nothing
>else. You have brought nothing else.
>According to your general attitude I assume that if I said that 2+2=4, you'd
>eventually find a way to prove that I'm wrong.
>We can go on for days; I don't mind. You're anchored in your beliefs and I
>am in mine.
>
>Whatever. If this NG served any other cause than French bashing and
>political dispute, we'd know it, wouldn't we?
>
>PHB
>

Well, since telling the truth IS "french bashing" it is hard to avoid.

Al Minyard

Since french bashing has become such a popular sport
world wide, there is talk of an international tournament to
determine the World Champion.

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:20:19 +0100,
Nemo l'ancien attempted to say .....

>
> >
> >
> Your are making the world a lot of **** because no more than 3000
> people have been killed on your nbational soil....
> Come here in the eastern part of France, and then you may perhaps me
> realize what a real war means for the civilians...
>

Are you trying to say you don't know who your daddy is ?


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Nemo l'ancien > writes:
>
>>
>>
> Your are making the world a lot of **** because no more than 3000
> people have been killed on your nbational soil....
> Come here in the eastern part of France, and then you may perhaps me
> realize what a real war means for the civilians...

Ah, Nemo, mon vieux, we have. Twice, in the last 100 years. And shed
quite a bit of blood to help you have it back. (And aided you in
Indochina, and Algeria, for all the good that did us.) We don't need
to fight a war on our own soil every 50 years or so to remind us that,
if we're going to be fighting, we'd rather do it on somebody else's
soil.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster