Re: Living In Fear Abroad - Welcome to Al qaeda's More Dangerous World

[OXMORON1]

Tarver wrote:
>Spain is stolen Muslem land and has been since 1492. The only apeasment
>that will work for Spain is conversion to Islam.
>

What the heck are you saying? The land beloned to the Europeans before the
Islamic troops invaded it.

If you are saying that is the Islamic fundamentalist claim, I agree. If you are
saying that it is fact, I disagree.

Under option two, get off my land Kemosabe!

Rick Clark
MFE

[Kevin Brooks]

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver wrote:
> >Spain is stolen Muslem land and has been since 1492. The only apeasment
> >that will work for Spain is conversion to Islam.
> >
>
> What the heck are you saying? The land beloned to the Europeans before the
> Islamic troops invaded it.
>
> If you are saying that is the Islamic fundamentalist claim, I agree. If
you are
> saying that it is fact, I disagree.

It's just another Tarverbot troll. Get used to them, or make life much more
simple by just killfiling him--nine out of ten RAM regulars can't be wrong,
to steal a phrase from the toothpaste ad....

Brooks

>
> Under option two, get off my land Kemosabe!
>
> Rick Clark
> MFE

[OXMORON1]

Brooks wrote:
>It's just another Tarverbot troll. Get used to them, or make life much more
>simple by just killfiling him--nine out of ten RAM regulars can't be wrong,

I keep him in the same file as Art although Tarver will listen to reason once
in a while and will discuss items other than the Big War

Rick

[Yeff]

On 17 Mar 2004 23:22:04 GMT, OXMORON1 wrote:

> although Tarver will listen to reason once in a while

Are we reading the same group?

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

[Kevin Brooks]

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
> Brooks wrote:
> >It's just another Tarverbot troll. Get used to them, or make life much
more
> >simple by just killfiling him--nine out of ten RAM regulars can't be
wrong,
>
> I keep him in the same file as Art although Tarver will listen to reason
once
> in a while and will discuss items other than the Big War

Tarver listening to reason? The same Tarver who has repeatedly opined that
the F-106 was actually tasked to perform offensive nuclear strike missions,
that it carried AIM-7's and "optical nukes", that the M102 sitting in the
back of the AC-130 is a "recoiless rifle", alluded to a death threat against
another poster, said that the pitot tube was not important until the advent
of jet aircraft (and that the absence of same resulted in a whole danged
flock of early Navy jets pitching into the drink en mass), and that the side
doing the blockading during the Civil War was the *Confederate* Navy? Or are
you talking about *another* Tarvernaut? :-)

Brooks

>
> Rick

[Tarver Engineering]

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver wrote:
> >Spain is stolen Muslem land and has been since 1492. The only apeasment
> >that will work for Spain is conversion to Islam.

> What the heck are you saying? The land beloned to the Europeans before the
> Islamic troops invaded it.
>
> If you are saying that is the Islamic fundamentalist claim, I agree. If
you are
> saying that it is fact, I disagree.

Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam and has said so many times.

[Ron]

>Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam and has said so many times.

Well he claims the whole world for a future muslim theocracy too for that
matter.




Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

[Tarver Engineering]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam and has said so many times.
>
> Well he claims the whole world for a future muslim theocracy too for that
> matter.

Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old days. The Califate is an
important symbol in bin Laden's message.

[Ron]

...
>> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam and has said so many times.
>>
>> Well he claims the whole world for a future muslim theocracy too for that
>> matter.
>
>Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old days. The Califate is an
>important symbol in bin Laden's message.

Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is an major defeat, that for them, could
have well just been yesterday that happened.
As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding settling old accounts with Spain.

If voters in any western country think that a less confrontational policy
towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden will make them safer, they are sorely
mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific events like Spain, but in general,
in how it appears some Europeans would rather appease or not cooperate with the
US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists more mad.


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

[Tarver Engineering]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> ...
> >> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam and has said so many
times.
> >>
> >> Well he claims the whole world for a future muslim theocracy too for
that
> >> matter.
> >
> >Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old days. The Califate is an
> >important symbol in bin Laden's message.
>
> Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is an major defeat, that for them,
could
> have well just been yesterday that happened.
> As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding settling old accounts with
Spain.
>
> If voters in any western country think that a less confrontational policy
> towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden will make them safer, they are
sorely
> mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific events like Spain, but in
general,
> in how it appears some Europeans would rather appease or not cooperate
with the
> US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists more mad.

I don't think Europe understands that none of that matters to al Qaeda.

[Matt Wiser]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
>"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam
>and has said so many times.
>>
>> Well he claims the whole world for a future
>muslim theocracy too for that
>> matter.
>
>Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old days.
> The Califate is an
>important symbol in bin Laden's message.
>
>
Well, someone needs to explain to Osama and the rest of AQ and their affiliates
and wannabes that their dream of a Caliphiate ain't gonna happen, and that
history is replete with failed dreams of glory and ideology: Naziism, Fascism,
and Communism all come to mind.

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[Matt Wiser]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
>"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>> ...
>> >> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of
>Islam and has said so many
>times.
>> >>
>> >> Well he claims the whole world for a future
>muslim theocracy too for
>that
>> >> matter.
>> >
>> >Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old
>days. The Califate is an
>> >important symbol in bin Laden's message.
>>
>> Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is an
>major defeat, that for them,
>could
>> have well just been yesterday that happened.
>> As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding
>settling old accounts with
>Spain.
>>
>> If voters in any western country think that
>a less confrontational policy
>> towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden will
>make them safer, they are
>sorely
>> mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific
>events like Spain, but in
>general,
>> in how it appears some Europeans would rather
>appease or not cooperate
>with the
>> US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists more
>mad.
>
>I don't think Europe understands that none of
>that matters to al Qaeda.
>
>
The only way to deal with Al-Queda and their affiliates and wannabe organizations
is to kill them, period. Make membership in the organization very unattractive
by making sure the message gets out that if you join AQ, your life is forfeit.
Find the remaining leadership (whereever they are) and kill them without
mercy or quarter. Then go after the mid-level operatives and either bring
them in: either in cuffs or in a body bag. The foot soldiers and financiers
are next, along with shutting down and keeping shut down front companies
and money laundering operations. Once AQ is done away with, go after the
affiliates and wannabe organizations and individuals and mete out the same
treatment. If the bleeding hearts want to bleed about this, they can go ahead
and bleed. Meanwhile, a dirty job which needs doing is going to get done.


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[Tarver Engineering]

"Matt Wiser" > wrote in message
news:4059be65$1@bg2....
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
> >
> >"Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> ...
> >> >> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of
> >Islam and has said so many
> >times.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well he claims the whole world for a future
> >muslim theocracy too for
> >that
> >> >> matter.
> >> >
> >> >Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old
> >days. The Califate is an
> >> >important symbol in bin Laden's message.
> >>
> >> Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is an
> >major defeat, that for them,
> >could
> >> have well just been yesterday that happened.
> >> As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding
> >settling old accounts with
> >Spain.
> >>
> >> If voters in any western country think that
> >a less confrontational policy
> >> towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden will
> >make them safer, they are
> >sorely
> >> mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific
> >events like Spain, but in
> >general,
> >> in how it appears some Europeans would rather
> >appease or not cooperate
> >with the
> >> US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists more
> >mad.
> >
> >I don't think Europe understands that none of
> >that matters to al Qaeda.
> >
> >
> The only way to deal with Al-Queda and their affiliates and wannabe
organizations
> is to kill them, period. Make membership in the organization very
unattractive
> by making sure the message gets out that if you join AQ, your life is
forfeit.
> Find the remaining leadership (whereever they are) and kill them without
> mercy or quarter. Then go after the mid-level operatives and either bring
> them in: either in cuffs or in a body bag. The foot soldiers and
financiers
> are next, along with shutting down and keeping shut down front companies
> and money laundering operations. Once AQ is done away with, go after the
> affiliates and wannabe organizations and individuals and mete out the same
> treatment. If the bleeding hearts want to bleed about this, they can go
ahead
> and bleed. Meanwhile, a dirty job which needs doing is going to get done.

Spain has chosen a different path.

[Alan Minyard]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:14:37 GMT, "Matt Wiser" > wrote:

>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>>
>>"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>>> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part of Islam
>>and has said so many times.
>>>
>>> Well he claims the whole world for a future
>>muslim theocracy too for that
>>> matter.
>>
>>Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory old days.
>> The Califate is an
>>important symbol in bin Laden's message.
>>
>>
> Well, someone needs to explain to Osama and the rest of AQ and their affiliates
>and wannabes that their dream of a Caliphiate ain't gonna happen, and that
>history is replete with failed dreams of glory and ideology: Naziism, Fascism,
>and Communism all come to mind.
>
>Posted via www.My-Newsgroups.com - web to news gateway for usenet access!

I wish that I could agree, but spain has surrendered. Who will be the next to wave
a white flag?

Al Minyard

[John Keeney]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
...
>
> "OXMORON1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tarver wrote:
> > >Spain is stolen Muslem land and has been since 1492. The only
apeasment
> > >that will work for Spain is conversion to Islam.
> > >
> >
> > What the heck are you saying? The land beloned to the Europeans before
the
> > Islamic troops invaded it.
> >
> > If you are saying that is the Islamic fundamentalist claim, I agree. If
> you are
> > saying that it is fact, I disagree.
>
> It's just another Tarverbot troll. Get used to them, or make life much
more
> simple by just killfiling him--nine out of ten RAM regulars can't be
wrong,
> to steal a phrase from the toothpaste ad....

Be nice, Kevin. Tarver has actually been fairly well behaved lately.

[Kevin Brooks]

"John Keeney" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "OXMORON1" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Tarver wrote:
> > > >Spain is stolen Muslem land and has been since 1492. The only
> apeasment
> > > >that will work for Spain is conversion to Islam.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What the heck are you saying? The land beloned to the Europeans before
> the
> > > Islamic troops invaded it.
> > >
> > > If you are saying that is the Islamic fundamentalist claim, I agree.
If
> > you are
> > > saying that it is fact, I disagree.
> >
> > It's just another Tarverbot troll. Get used to them, or make life much
> more
> > simple by just killfiling him--nine out of ten RAM regulars can't be
> wrong,
> > to steal a phrase from the toothpaste ad....
>
> Be nice, Kevin. Tarver has actually been fairly well behaved lately.

I wouldn't know, being one of those nine-out-of-ten...

Brooks

>
>

[Matt Wiser]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
>"Matt Wiser" > wrote
>in message
>news:4059be65$1@bg2....
>>
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>> >
>> >"Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> ...
>> >> >> >Usama bin Laden claims Spain as part
>of
>> >Islam and has said so many
>> >times.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well he claims the whole world for a
>future
>> >muslim theocracy too for
>> >that
>> >> >> matter.
>> >> >
>> >> >Grenada Spain is part of Islam's glory
>old
>> >days. The Califate is an
>> >> >important symbol in bin Laden's message.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and for the bin laden types, it is
>an
>> >major defeat, that for them,
>> >could
>> >> have well just been yesterday that happened.
>> >> As evidenced by the AQ statement regarding
>> >settling old accounts with
>> >Spain.
>> >>
>> >> If voters in any western country think
>that
>> >a less confrontational policy
>> >> towards the groups such as AQ/bin laden
>will
>> >make them safer, they are
>> >sorely
>> >> mistaken. I am not pointing to any specific
>> >events like Spain, but in
>> >general,
>> >> in how it appears some Europeans would
>rather
>> >appease or not cooperate
>> >with the
>> >> US/UK, for fear of making the terrorists
>more
>> >mad.
>> >
>> >I don't think Europe understands that none
>of
>> >that matters to al Qaeda.
>> >
>> >
>> The only way to deal with Al-Queda and their
>affiliates and wannabe
>organizations
>> is to kill them, period. Make membership in
>the organization very
>unattractive
>> by making sure the message gets out that if
>you join AQ, your life is
>forfeit.
>> Find the remaining leadership (whereever they
>are) and kill them without
>> mercy or quarter. Then go after the mid-level
>operatives and either bring
>> them in: either in cuffs or in a body bag.
>The foot soldiers and
>financiers
>> are next, along with shutting down and keeping
>shut down front companies
>> and money laundering operations. Once AQ is
>done away with, go after the
>> affiliates and wannabe organizations and individuals
>and mete out the same
>> treatment. If the bleeding hearts want to
>bleed about this, they can go
>ahead
>> and bleed. Meanwhile, a dirty job which needs
>doing is going to get done.
>
>Spain has chosen a different path.
>
>
Unfortunately. Some just can't get the idea that AQ and its affiliates
can't be bargained with or reasoned with. You find them and you kill them,
period. No ifs, ands, or buts. Counterterrorism is a dirty business, but
it's a job that needs doing.

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[Tarver Engineering]

"John Keeney" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> ...
> Be nice, Kevin. Tarver has actually been fairly well behaved lately.

How does your responding to Kevin's troll help, Keeney?