airport cars

[Kobra[_3_]]

Flyers,

I was reading my Pilot Getaways Mag this morning and found an article about
something I've been thinking about myself for years.

It is an internet based Airport courtesy car club. I just signed up today
because I have a POJ (piece of junk) that I keep at ACY and every time I go
there I have a dead battery because I can't drive it enough. I've given
several pilot friends the keys, but it's still rarely if ever used by them.
This despite the fact that taxi fees are about 90 round trip with tip to get
from the airport to town and it's a great location to fly for dinner, a
show, the beach, boardwalk and of course gaming. I've always wished I could
let more pilots know about the car and now there is just such a system. The
only problem is that there is limited involvement, most likely due to lack
of awareness.

I have no association with this place, but I'm gonna give it a good sales
pitch because I love this idea.

It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash or
trash it. Keys are kept at the local FBO or in a combination lockbox. Cars
are reserved online. Car owners always have priority of their car even if
it's reserved (within reason, you can't cancel someone just hours before
their arrival)

In all honesty, nothing could be fairer or more simplistic. They just need
more members. I think there's just over 30 cars in 17 states, but I'm sure
that's changing quickly.

Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com

I hope you guys are excited about this as I am, because I love to fly, but
when I get somewhere I want to go out exploring, have lunch or dinner or
sightsee.

Smooth air to all,

Kobra

[The Visitor]

Fantastic concept!!!!!

John




Kobra wrote:
> Flyers,
>
> I was reading my Pilot Getaways Mag this morning and found an article about
> something I've been thinking about myself for years.
>
> It is an internet based Airport courtesy car club. I just signed up today
> because I have a POJ (piece of junk) that I keep at ACY and every time I go
> there I have a dead battery because I can't drive it enough. I've given
> several pilot friends the keys, but it's still rarely if ever used by them.
> This despite the fact that taxi fees are about 90 round trip with tip to get
> from the airport to town and it's a great location to fly for dinner, a
> show, the beach, boardwalk and of course gaming. I've always wished I could
> let more pilots know about the car and now there is just such a system. The
> only problem is that there is limited involvement, most likely due to lack
> of awareness.
>
> I have no association with this place, but I'm gonna give it a good sales
> pitch because I love this idea.
>
> It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
> just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash or
> trash it. Keys are kept at the local FBO or in a combination lockbox. Cars
> are reserved online. Car owners always have priority of their car even if
> it's reserved (within reason, you can't cancel someone just hours before
> their arrival)
>
> In all honesty, nothing could be fairer or more simplistic. They just need
> more members. I think there's just over 30 cars in 17 states, but I'm sure
> that's changing quickly.
>
> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>
> I hope you guys are excited about this as I am, because I love to fly, but
> when I get somewhere I want to go out exploring, have lunch or dinner or
> sightsee.
>
> Smooth air to all,
>
> Kobra
>
>

[Shirl]

In article >,
"Kobra" > wrote:

> Flyers,
>
> I was reading my Pilot Getaways Mag this morning and found an article about
> something I've been thinking about myself for years.
>
> It is an internet based Airport courtesy car club. I just signed up today
> because I have a POJ (piece of junk) that I keep at ACY and every time I go
> there I have a dead battery because I can't drive it enough. I've given
> several pilot friends the keys, but it's still rarely if ever used by them.
> This despite the fact that taxi fees are about 90 round trip with tip to get
> from the airport to town and it's a great location to fly for dinner, a
> show, the beach, boardwalk and of course gaming. I've always wished I could
> let more pilots know about the car and now there is just such a system. The
> only problem is that there is limited involvement, most likely due to lack
> of awareness.
>
> I have no association with this place, but I'm gonna give it a good sales
> pitch because I love this idea.
>
> It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
> just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash or
> trash it. Keys are kept at the local FBO or in a combination lockbox. Cars
> are reserved online. Car owners always have priority of their car even if
> it's reserved (within reason, you can't cancel someone just hours before
> their arrival)
>
> In all honesty, nothing could be fairer or more simplistic. They just need
> more members. I think there's just over 30 cars in 17 states, but I'm sure
> that's changing quickly.
>
> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>
> I hope you guys are excited about this as I am, because I love to fly, but
> when I get somewhere I want to go out exploring, have lunch or dinner or
> sightsee.

How does that work re insurance if anyone and everyone is using it?

[Todd W. Deckard]

The vehicle owner carries the primary liability burden, not the driver.

Make sure you disclose to your insurance agency that this is the intended
use of the vehicle ...

"Shirl" > wrote in message news:Xmnushal8y->>
>> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>>
>
> How does that work re insurance if anyone and everyone is using it?

[Lou]

On Sep 7, 3:51 pm, "Todd W. Deckard" > wrote:
> The vehicle owner carries the primary liability burden, not the driver.
>
> Make sure you disclose to your insurance agency that this is the intended
> use of the vehicle ...
>
> "Shirl" > wrote in message news:Xmnushal8y->>
> >> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>
> > How does that work re insurance if anyone and everyone is using it?

How are you going to keep those batteries charged?

[Brian[_1_]]

Great Idea,

But for your immediate problem a small solar panel or battery lockout
switch might ensure you can start it when you need to.

Brian

[Steve]

"Kobra" > wrote in message
. ..
> It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
> just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash or
> trash it.

It looks like providing a car is required for membership. Still a good idea,
I just wanted to clarify that point. 1st year is free if you are the first
one at your airport to join.

[RST Engineering]

Well, let's see now.

In order to join, I have to provide a car, maintain it, and insure it. To
boot, I pay $50 a year for the privilege of borrowing somebody else's car
that MIGHT be at the airport I'm headed for.

That doesn't really sound like a heck of a deal to me.

Now if it was $250 to join if I DIDN'T have to provide a car or free if I
did, and if part of that $250 was rebated back to me as a function of useage
of my car to help with the maintenance and insurance, it might be a little
more tempting.

I'm no insurance expert, nor do I play one on tv, but it seems to me that
there is a "borrow" clause in my personal insurance policy that if I BORROW
somebody's car and get into an accident that my insurance covers that
vehicle to the extent that it would cover my own car in the same accident.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Kobra" > wrote in message
. ..
> Flyers,
>
> I was reading my Pilot Getaways Mag this morning and found an article
> about something I've been thinking about myself for years.
>
> It is an internet based Airport courtesy car club.

[Ross]

Kobra wrote:
> Flyers,
>
> I was reading my Pilot Getaways Mag this morning and found an article about
> something I've been thinking about myself for years.
>
> It is an internet based Airport courtesy car club. I just signed up today
> because I have a POJ (piece of junk) that I keep at ACY and every time I go
> there I have a dead battery because I can't drive it enough. I've given
> several pilot friends the keys, but it's still rarely if ever used by them.
> This despite the fact that taxi fees are about 90 round trip with tip to get
> from the airport to town and it's a great location to fly for dinner, a
> show, the beach, boardwalk and of course gaming. I've always wished I could
> let more pilots know about the car and now there is just such a system. The
> only problem is that there is limited involvement, most likely due to lack
> of awareness.
>
> I have no association with this place, but I'm gonna give it a good sales
> pitch because I love this idea.
>
> It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
> just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash or
> trash it. Keys are kept at the local FBO or in a combination lockbox. Cars
> are reserved online. Car owners always have priority of their car even if
> it's reserved (within reason, you can't cancel someone just hours before
> their arrival)
>
> In all honesty, nothing could be fairer or more simplistic. They just need
> more members. I think there's just over 30 cars in 17 states, but I'm sure
> that's changing quickly.
>
> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>
> I hope you guys are excited about this as I am, because I love to fly, but
> when I get somewhere I want to go out exploring, have lunch or dinner or
> sightsee.
>
> Smooth air to all,
>
> Kobra
>
>
I thought I would put a car at a destination I go to alot but never did.
I like this idea, but how does the liability insurance work? We are all
"friends" but when an accident happens, we can turn against one another.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Peter Dohm]

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
> Kobra wrote:
>> Flyers,
>>
>> I was reading my Pilot Getaways Mag this morning and found an article
>> about something I've been thinking about myself for years.
>>
>> It is an internet based Airport courtesy car club. I just signed up
>> today because I have a POJ (piece of junk) that I keep at ACY and every
>> time I go there I have a dead battery because I can't drive it enough.
>> I've given several pilot friends the keys, but it's still rarely if ever
>> used by them. This despite the fact that taxi fees are about 90 round
>> trip with tip to get from the airport to town and it's a great location
>> to fly for dinner, a show, the beach, boardwalk and of course gaming.
>> I've always wished I could let more pilots know about the car and now
>> there is just such a system. The only problem is that there is limited
>> involvement, most likely due to lack of awareness.
>>
>> I have no association with this place, but I'm gonna give it a good sales
>> pitch because I love this idea.
>>
>> It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
>> just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash
>> or trash it. Keys are kept at the local FBO or in a combination lockbox.
>> Cars are reserved online. Car owners always have priority of their car
>> even if it's reserved (within reason, you can't cancel someone just hours
>> before their arrival)
>>
>> In all honesty, nothing could be fairer or more simplistic. They just
>> need more members. I think there's just over 30 cars in 17 states, but
>> I'm sure that's changing quickly.
>>
>> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>>
>> I hope you guys are excited about this as I am, because I love to fly,
>> but when I get somewhere I want to go out exploring, have lunch or dinner
>> or sightsee.
>>
>> Smooth air to all,
>>
>> Kobra
> I thought I would put a car at a destination I go to alot but never did. I
> like this idea, but how does the liability insurance work? We are all
> "friends" but when an accident happens, we can turn against one another.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Ross
> C-172F 180HP
> KSWI

A lot depends on how Airport Cars is actually organized; but if you are at
all serious you can start by asking your insurance agent and then, if you
are still interested, an attorney who specializes in business liability and
risk management. This is a really series of specialties; but I don't recall
the correct name.

Peter

[Peter Dohm]

"Lou" > wrote in message
...
> On Sep 7, 3:51 pm, "Todd W. Deckard" > wrote:
>> The vehicle owner carries the primary liability burden, not the driver.
>>
>> Make sure you disclose to your insurance agency that this is the intended
>> use of the vehicle ...
>>
>> "Shirl" > wrote in message news:Xmnushal8y->>
>> >> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>>
>> > How does that work re insurance if anyone and everyone is using it?
>
> How are you going to keep those batteries charged?

If there is enough use to justify the program, then the battery charge
should not be a problem.

OTOH, if is is, then it will be the *least* of the maintenance problems!

Peter

[Lonnie[_3_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Ross" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Kobra wrote:
>>> Flyers,
>>>
>>> I was reading my Pilot Getaways Mag this morning and found an article
>>> about something I've been thinking about myself for years.
>>>
>>> It is an internet based Airport courtesy car club. I just signed up
>>> today because I have a POJ (piece of junk) that I keep at ACY and every
>>> time I go there I have a dead battery because I can't drive it enough.
>>> I've given several pilot friends the keys, but it's still rarely if ever
>>> used by them. This despite the fact that taxi fees are about 90 round
>>> trip with tip to get from the airport to town and it's a great location
>>> to fly for dinner, a show, the beach, boardwalk and of course gaming.
>>> I've always wished I could let more pilots know about the car and now
>>> there is just such a system. The only problem is that there is limited
>>> involvement, most likely due to lack of awareness.
>>>
>>> I have no association with this place, but I'm gonna give it a good
>>> sales pitch because I love this idea.
>>>
>>> It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
>>> just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash
>>> or trash it. Keys are kept at the local FBO or in a combination
>>> lockbox. Cars are reserved online. Car owners always have priority of
>>> their car even if it's reserved (within reason, you can't cancel someone
>>> just hours before their arrival)
>>>
>>> In all honesty, nothing could be fairer or more simplistic. They just
>>> need more members. I think there's just over 30 cars in 17 states, but
>>> I'm sure that's changing quickly.
>>>
>>> Here's the website: www.airportcarsclub.com
>>>
>>> I hope you guys are excited about this as I am, because I love to fly,
>>> but when I get somewhere I want to go out exploring, have lunch or
>>> dinner or sightsee.
>>>
>>> Smooth air to all,
>>>
>>> Kobra
>> I thought I would put a car at a destination I go to alot but never did.
>> I like this idea, but how does the liability insurance work? We are all
>> "friends" but when an accident happens, we can turn against one another.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, Ross
>> C-172F 180HP
>> KSWI
>
> A lot depends on how Airport Cars is actually organized; but if you are at
> all serious you can start by asking your insurance agent and then, if you
> are still interested, an attorney who specializes in business liability
> and risk management. This is a really series of specialties; but I don't
> recall the correct name.
>
> Peter
>
>

Even though many insurance companies will cover you a borrowed car, many
states hold the registered owner accountable for liability insurance.

If your name is on the car, and the borrowers insurance company will not
come forward in case of an accident, you're on the hook for the liability
insurance coverage.

[Lou]

Just for the fun of it, you fly to an airport, borrow the car,
go to a resteraount, while your having lunch someone backs into
the right rear quarter panel, leaves without notice and you don't see
it. You return the car fly home, the next call you get is someone
holding
you responsible for an accident you don't know about. How does that
work?
Lou

[Vaughn Simon]

"Lou" > wrote in message
...
> How does that work?

Obviously, insurance and liability issues constitute the major problem with
this business model. Perhaps what the world needs is an airport car sharing
service that also offers, and requires, appropriate insurance that protects
users and owners.


--
Vaughn

.................................................. .......
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a real NNTP server & news reader program and you will never go back. All you
need is access to an NNTP server (AKA "news server") and a news reader program.
You probably already have a news reader program in your computer (Hint: Outlook
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http://news.aioe.org/ for free and/or http://www.teranews.com/ for a one-time
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.................................................. ........

Will poofread for food.

[Peter Dohm]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Lou" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How does that work?
>
> Obviously, insurance and liability issues constitute the major problem
> with this business model. Perhaps what the world needs is an airport car
> sharing service that also offers, and requires, appropriate insurance that
> protects users and owners.
>
>
> --
> Vaughn
>
I confess to having initially committed the same error as you--failure to
read the rules posted on the "club" website.

Take a look at the FAQ. All of the needed answers are there and the model
does make sense for substantial number; but clearly a minority of pilots.

Peter

[Kobra]

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kobra" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> It's free to join if you provide a car. It's 50 dollars per year if you
>> just join. Taking a car is free! Just fill it back up and don't crash
>> or trash it.
>
> It looks like providing a car is required for membership. Still a good
> idea, I just wanted to clarify that point. 1st year is free if you are the
> first one at your airport to join.

Yes...you are correct...I misunderstood. Thanks for the correction.

Kobra

[Kobra]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
m...
> Well, let's see now.
>
> In order to join, I have to provide a car, maintain it, and insure it. To
> boot, I pay $50 a year for the privilege of borrowing somebody else's car
> that MIGHT be at the airport I'm headed for.
>
> That doesn't really sound like a heck of a deal to me.
>
> Now if it was $250 to join if I DIDN'T have to provide a car or free if I
> did, and if part of that $250 was rebated back to me as a function of
> useage of my car to help with the maintenance and insurance, it might be a
> little more tempting.

Good points....AAMOF I forwarded your suggestion on to the owner of the
site. He said giving money back to owners for usage gets sticky as far as
insurance liability goes. He said he would consider other options similar
to what you suggested so as not to muddy the waters

Kobra

[RST Engineering]

Yeah, things get "sticky". Twenty years ago we left a junker wagon at the
local airport with the keys at the fbo for anybody that fly in could use.
The wagon got taken a couple of hundred miles away from the airport by an
asshole that abandoned it for us to truck home. There were several comments
that since the air conditioning wasn't working that they weren't going to
put gas in it.

When it got to the thousand dollar a year liability we pulled the plug.

Quite frankly, some (most) pilots are pigs that think the world owes them a
living because they are pilots. Don't come on here proclaiming your virtue;
I have hard evidence to the contrary.

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Kobra" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "RST Engineering" > wrote in message
> m...
..
>
> Good points....AAMOF I forwarded your suggestion on to the owner of the
> site. He said giving money back to owners for usage gets sticky as far as
> insurance liability goes. He said he would consider other options similar
> to what you suggested so as not to muddy the waters

[RST Engineering]

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, things get "sticky". Twenty years ago we left a junker wagon at the
> local airport with the keys at the fbo for anybody that fly in could use.
> The wagon got taken a couple of hundred miles away from the airport by an
> asshole that abandoned it for us to truck home. There were several
> comments that since the air conditioning wasn't working that they weren't
> going to put gas in it.
>
> When it got to the thousand dollar a year liability we pulled the plug.
>
> Quite frankly, some (most) pilots are pigs that think the world owes them
> a living because they are pilots. Don't come on here proclaiming your
> virtue; I have hard evidence to the contrary.
>
> --
> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
> without accepting it."
> --Aristotle
>
>
> "Kobra" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "RST Engineering" > wrote in message
>> m...
> .
>>
>> Good points....AAMOF I forwarded your suggestion on to the owner of the
>> site. He said giving money back to owners for usage gets sticky as far
>> as insurance liability goes. He said he would consider other options
>> similar to what you suggested so as not to muddy the waters
>
>

[Tman]

*most*??

The burden for proof is much higher for "most", but "some" is almost
clearly true....

RST Engineering wrote:
>
> Quite frankly, some (most) pilots are pigs that think the world owes them a

[Mike Isaksen]

"RST Engineering" ...
> Quite frankly, some (most) pilots are pigs that think the
> world owes them a living because they are pilots.

Most ?!?,... the problem with that thinking is you dread every person
walking thru the door. It almost becomes self-fulfilling.

My experience is that the pilot population is quite a "normal distribution"
in that male characteristic. ;-)

Now "collage kids", that's another group.

[Mike Isaksen]

"Mike Isaksen" ...
>
> Now "collage kids", ....


Yikes !! I went to college, but I can't spell college. Sad!
;-)

[RST Engineering]

Collage is a perfectly good art form that you can learn as an art major in
college.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Mike Isaksen" > wrote in message
news:%JRxk.782$Dj1.463@trnddc02...
>
> "RST Engineering" ...
>> Quite frankly, some (most) pilots are pigs that think the
>> world owes them a living because they are pilots.
>
> Most ?!?,... the problem with that thinking is you dread every person
> walking thru the door. It almost becomes self-fulfilling.
>
> My experience is that the pilot population is quite a "normal
> distribution" in that male characteristic. ;-)
>
> Now "collage kids", that's another group.
>
>
>

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "MI" == Mike Isaksen > writes:

MI> Most ?!?,... the problem with that thinking is you dread every
MI> person walking thru the door. It almost becomes
MI> self-fulfilling.

Jim doesn't dread every person walking through his door. He relishes
the chance for combat and creates every opportunity for same.
--
"You, Mr. Wilkes, will die either of the pox or on the gallows."
-The Earl of Sandwich

[Kobra]

> Quite frankly, some (most) pilots are pigs that think the world owes them
> a
> living because they are pilots.

Spoken like a true FAA employee.

Actually, in my experience, 'most' pilots are mature, responsible, reliable
and affluent adults.

'Some' I will not even attempt to argue with you on.

Kobra