Attempted forced entry.

[Jon Woellhaf]

The other day, while removing the left-hand door panel on my 1980 Cessna
182, I noticed small pry marks on the outside of the door frame immediately
below the latch. I looked at the bottom of the window frame and saw it was
bent up a little. It looked like someone had used a small screwdriver in an
attempt to pry open the window. I looked carefully all around the window
frame and found another pry mark in the rear lower corner.

This was obviously the feeble attempt of an amateur thief, since almost any
key will open the stock Cessna door lock. (Another pilot told me he once
tried several small keys on his key ring in a Cessna door lock. His gas tank
cap key and his mother's garage door key worked just fine.)

The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
when it's in the hangar. I have no idea when the attempt was made, but the
plane has been overnight only at U42 (Salt Lake City #2, UT) and FFZ (Falcon
Field, Mesa, AZ) within the past year.

I'm wondering what, if anything, to do about this. I could contact the local
police and give them the dates when the plane was overnight. This might help
an investigation if other planes were molested. On the other hand, if the
TSA gets involved I can see them impounding the plane for evidence.
<half-grin>

What would you do?

Jon

[Ross]

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
> The other day, while removing the left-hand door panel on my 1980 Cessna
> 182, I noticed small pry marks on the outside of the door frame immediately
> below the latch. I looked at the bottom of the window frame and saw it was
> bent up a little. It looked like someone had used a small screwdriver in an
> attempt to pry open the window. I looked carefully all around the window
> frame and found another pry mark in the rear lower corner.
>
> This was obviously the feeble attempt of an amateur thief, since almost any
> key will open the stock Cessna door lock. (Another pilot told me he once
> tried several small keys on his key ring in a Cessna door lock. His gas tank
> cap key and his mother's garage door key worked just fine.)
>
> The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
> attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
> when it's in the hangar. I have no idea when the attempt was made, but the
> plane has been overnight only at U42 (Salt Lake City #2, UT) and FFZ (Falcon
> Field, Mesa, AZ) within the past year.
>
> I'm wondering what, if anything, to do about this. I could contact the local
> police and give them the dates when the plane was overnight. This might help
> an investigation if other planes were molested. On the other hand, if the
> TSA gets involved I can see them impounding the plane for evidence.
> <half-grin>
>
> What would you do?
>
> Jon
>
>
Check you hangar. We had break ins a few years ago where the people use
power drills and removed the screws holding the sheet panels in place,
then replaced them. The four were out on probation for other acts. The
judge sentenced them to probation,,,,,,again.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
> The other day, while removing the left-hand door panel on my 1980 Cessna
> 182, I noticed small pry marks on the outside of the door frame immediately
> below the latch. I looked at the bottom of the window frame and saw it was
> bent up a little. It looked like someone had used a small screwdriver in an
> attempt to pry open the window. I looked carefully all around the window
> frame and found another pry mark in the rear lower corner.
>
> This was obviously the feeble attempt of an amateur thief, since almost any
> key will open the stock Cessna door lock. (Another pilot told me he once
> tried several small keys on his key ring in a Cessna door lock. His gas tank
> cap key and his mother's garage door key worked just fine.)
>
> The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
> attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
> when it's in the hangar. I have no idea when the attempt was made, but the
> plane has been overnight only at U42 (Salt Lake City #2, UT) and FFZ (Falcon
> Field, Mesa, AZ) within the past year.
>
> I'm wondering what, if anything, to do about this. I could contact the local
> police and give them the dates when the plane was overnight. This might help
> an investigation if other planes were molested. On the other hand, if the
> TSA gets involved I can see them impounding the plane for evidence.
> <half-grin>
>
> What would you do?
>
> Jon
>
>

With the exception of needing the paperwork for your insurance I don't
see what you could gain or how any ongoing investigation could be helped
by you reporting it now.

[Kyle Boatright]

"Ross" > wrote in message
...
> Jon Woellhaf wrote:
>> The other day, while removing the left-hand door panel on my 1980 Cessna
>> 182, I noticed small pry marks on the outside of the door frame
>> immediately below the latch.

<<snip>>

>>
>> What would you do?
>>
>> Jon
> Check you hangar. We had break ins a few years ago where the people use
> power drills and removed the screws holding the sheet panels in place,
> then replaced them. The four were out on probation for other acts. The
> judge sentenced them to probation,,,,,,again.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Ross
> C-172F 180HP
> KSWI

Mucho thread drift here, but miscreants really don't understand who they are
fooling with when they screw with airplanes and pilots. I'd hate to be the
thief who got caught by the Saturday morning crowd at my airport. With
bandsaws, blowtorches, nibblers, stretchers, shrinkers, rivet guns, and a
host of other implements on hand, Mr. Breaking and Entering would have a
very bad day. He'd probably be relieved when/if we turned him over to the
police...

KB

[Matt Whiting]

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
> The other day, while removing the left-hand door panel on my 1980 Cessna
> 182, I noticed small pry marks on the outside of the door frame immediately
> below the latch. I looked at the bottom of the window frame and saw it was
> bent up a little. It looked like someone had used a small screwdriver in an
> attempt to pry open the window. I looked carefully all around the window
> frame and found another pry mark in the rear lower corner.
>
> This was obviously the feeble attempt of an amateur thief, since almost any
> key will open the stock Cessna door lock. (Another pilot told me he once
> tried several small keys on his key ring in a Cessna door lock. His gas tank
> cap key and his mother's garage door key worked just fine.)
>
> The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
> attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
> when it's in the hangar. I have no idea when the attempt was made, but the
> plane has been overnight only at U42 (Salt Lake City #2, UT) and FFZ (Falcon
> Field, Mesa, AZ) within the past year.
>
> I'm wondering what, if anything, to do about this. I could contact the local
> police and give them the dates when the plane was overnight. This might help
> an investigation if other planes were molested. On the other hand, if the
> TSA gets involved I can see them impounding the plane for evidence.
> <half-grin>
>
> What would you do?

Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.

Matt

[Scott Skylane]

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
/snip/
> The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
> attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
> when it's in the hangar. /snip/


Jon,

Don't assume it didn't happen in your hangar. Many would be thieves
aren't smart enough to know how, or even to try, to open the door
normally. Years ago I saw several car windows smashed in at our local
airport. The glove boxes were rifled through, but not much of value was
taken. The cars had all been parked with the doors unlocked...

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[Matt Whiting]

Kyle Boatright wrote:
>
> "Ross" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Jon Woellhaf wrote:
>>> The other day, while removing the left-hand door panel on my 1980
>>> Cessna 182, I noticed small pry marks on the outside of the door
>>> frame immediately below the latch.
>
> <<snip>>
>
>>>
>>> What would you do?
>>>
>>> Jon
>> Check you hangar. We had break ins a few years ago where the people
>> use power drills and removed the screws holding the sheet panels in
>> place, then replaced them. The four were out on probation for other
>> acts. The judge sentenced them to probation,,,,,,again.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, Ross
>> C-172F 180HP
>> KSWI
>
> Mucho thread drift here, but miscreants really don't understand who they
> are fooling with when they screw with airplanes and pilots. I'd hate to
> be the thief who got caught by the Saturday morning crowd at my airport.
> With bandsaws, blowtorches, nibblers, stretchers, shrinkers, rivet guns,
> and a host of other implements on hand, Mr. Breaking and Entering would
> have a very bad day. He'd probably be relieved when/if we turned him
> over to the police...

That sounds pretty benign to me. In my part of the country the main
question would be what caliber hole is the perp bleeding from?

[Mike[_22_]]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Kyle Boatright wrote:
>>
>> "Ross" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Jon Woellhaf wrote:
>>>> The other day, while removing the left-hand door panel on my 1980
>>>> Cessna 182, I noticed small pry marks on the outside of the door frame
>>>> immediately below the latch.
>>
>> <<snip>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> What would you do?
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>> Check you hangar. We had break ins a few years ago where the people use
>>> power drills and removed the screws holding the sheet panels in place,
>>> then replaced them. The four were out on probation for other acts. The
>>> judge sentenced them to probation,,,,,,again.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards, Ross
>>> C-172F 180HP
>>> KSWI
>>
>> Mucho thread drift here, but miscreants really don't understand who they
>> are fooling with when they screw with airplanes and pilots. I'd hate to
>> be the thief who got caught by the Saturday morning crowd at my airport.
>> With bandsaws, blowtorches, nibblers, stretchers, shrinkers, rivet guns,
>> and a host of other implements on hand, Mr. Breaking and Entering would
>> have a very bad day. He'd probably be relieved when/if we turned him
>> over to the police...
>
> That sounds pretty benign to me. In my part of the country the main
> question would be what caliber hole is the perp bleeding from?

That sounds pretty benign to me. In my part of the country the main
question would be which hog ate what part.

[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article cations>,
Scott Skylane > wrote:

> Jon Woellhaf wrote:
> /snip/
> > The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
> > attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
> > when it's in the hangar. /snip/
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Don't assume it didn't happen in your hangar. Many would be thieves
> aren't smart enough to know how, or even to try, to open the door
> normally. Years ago I saw several car windows smashed in at our local
> airport. The glove boxes were rifled through, but not much of value was
> taken. The cars had all been parked with the doors unlocked...
>
> Happy Flying!
> Scott Skylane

Check your avionics serial numbers!

Some of the more clever thieves will steal avionics from one airplane,
break into another that has the same stuff and switch radios. That way
they have a set of serial numbers that have not been reported stolen.

You never know the difference until you take one in for service. Then
the trap is on you!

--
Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.

[john smith]

In article <jyYxk.991$Wd.438@trnddc01>, "Mike" >
wrote:

> That sounds pretty benign to me. In my part of the country the main
> question would be which hog ate what part.

Don't forget the Martin Caidin Twin Beech prop solution.

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
>think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>

I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.

When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
could put in an insurance claim.

In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
just a property crime, no one really cares.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
Message posted via AviationKB.com
http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200809/1

[Mark Hansen]

On 09/11/08 10:10, JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
>>think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>>
>
> I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
> taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
>
> When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
> cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
> could put in an insurance claim.
>
> In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
> federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
> just a property crime, no one really cares.

Well, I guess that depends on a lot of factors. I fly out of a small non-towered
airport out in the farm lands. One day I saw someone driving around the ramp,
then stop at a plane and start working on it. Within about 30 minutes there were
two squad cars pulling up to check them out.

>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
>> think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>>
>
> I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
> taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
>
> When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
> cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
> could put in an insurance claim.
>
> In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
> federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
> just a property crime, no one really cares.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>

TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 2§ 32

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000032----000-.html

[Matt Whiting]

Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 09/11/08 10:10, JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
>>> think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>>>
>> I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
>> taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
>>
>> When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
>> cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
>> could put in an insurance claim.
>>
>> In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
>> federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
>> just a property crime, no one really cares.
>
> Well, I guess that depends on a lot of factors. I fly out of a small non-towered
> airport out in the farm lands. One day I saw someone driving around the ramp,
> then stop at a plane and start working on it. Within about 30 minutes there were
> two squad cars pulling up to check them out.

Calling about a crime that is possibly in progress is entirely different
than calling about an attempted crime that occurred at some unknown time
and in some unknown place and left nothing missing. Do you really not
understand the difference in these scenarios?

[Matt Whiting]

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
> JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
>>> think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>>>
>>
>> I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and
>> nothing was
>> taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
>>
>> When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even
>> get the
>> cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the
>> phone so I
>> could put in an insurance claim.
>>
>> In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it
>> being a
>> federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If
>> it's
>> just a property crime, no one really cares.
>>
>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>>
>
> TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 2§ 32
>
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000032----000-.html
>

Do you have a point to make?

[Matt Whiting]

JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
>> think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>>
>
> I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
> taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
>
> When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
> cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
> could put in an insurance claim.
>
> In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
> federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
> just a property crime, no one really cares.

That was my experience exactly. I had a KX165 stolen from my 182 around
1998. The police had zero interest in the theft other than giving me
what I needed for the insurance claim.

The really interesting part is that I bought a used KX165 from one of
the avionics shops in Florida (I forget the name now, but one of the
larger ones not a fly-by-night outfit) and, you guessed it, found that
it was MY radio! I thought the wear on the bezel looked a little too
familiar and a serial number checked confirmed it. I called the
avionics retailed and they had bought it yellow-tagged from a smaller
avionics shop in Ohio. I called them and they had failing memory and
couldn't remember where they got it. I reported it to the NY state
police and they couldn't have cared less. They said that for the value
in question it wasn't worth their while. They suspected it was stolen
by someone driving west on route 17 which runs right by our airport and
then fenced the next day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and
probably paid in cash.

Matt

[Lou]

On Sep 11, 6:03 pm, Matt Whiting > wrote:
> JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
> > Matt Whiting wrote:
> >> Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
> >> think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>
> > I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
> > taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
>
> > When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
> > cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
> > could put in an insurance claim.
>
> > In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
> > federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
> > just a property crime, no one really cares.
>
> That was my experience exactly. I had a KX165 stolen from my 182 around
> 1998. The police had zero interest in the theft other than giving me
> what I needed for the insurance claim.
>
> The really interesting part is that I bought a used KX165 from one of
> the avionics shops in Florida (I forget the name now, but one of the
> larger ones not a fly-by-night outfit) and, you guessed it, found that
> it was MY radio! I thought the wear on the bezel looked a little too
> familiar and a serial number checked confirmed it. I called the
> avionics retailed and they had bought it yellow-tagged from a smaller
> avionics shop in Ohio. I called them and they had failing memory and
> couldn't remember where they got it. I reported it to the NY state
> police and they couldn't have cared less. They said that for the value
> in question it wasn't worth their while. They suspected it was stolen
> by someone driving west on route 17 which runs right by our airport and
> then fenced the next day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and
> probably paid in cash.
>
> Matt

So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
goods?
Lou

[Mike Isaksen]

"Lou" wrote ...
> "Matt Whiting" wrote:
>> I reported it to the NY state police and they couldn't have cared
>> less. They said that for the value in question it wasn't worth their
>> while. They suspected it was stolen by someone driving west on
>> route 17 which runs right by our airport and then fenced the next
>> day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and probably paid
>> in cash.
>
> So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
> goods?
>

Criminal charges are not brought to the Court by civilians. The insurance
claim cited means that the Insurance Co probably had the biggest loss in
this. They may also have the means to convince the Ohio authorities to
investigate the shop. If the owner is sloppy, he may still have some other
stolen product laying on shelves. But the interstate nature of the items
means the locals will need assistance from the Feds, who typically look down
on these small cases.

Real life isn't like TV, where people in authority are always competent and
highly motivated.

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Mike Isaksen wrote:
> "Lou" wrote ...
>> "Matt Whiting" wrote:
>>> I reported it to the NY state police and they couldn't have cared
>>> less. They said that for the value in question it wasn't worth their
>>> while. They suspected it was stolen by someone driving west on
>>> route 17 which runs right by our airport and then fenced the next
>>> day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and probably paid
>>> in cash.
>> So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
>> goods?
>>
>
> Criminal charges are not brought to the Court by civilians. The insurance
> claim cited means that the Insurance Co probably had the biggest loss in
> this. They may also have the means to convince the Ohio authorities to
> investigate the shop. If the owner is sloppy, he may still have some other
> stolen product laying on shelves. But the interstate nature of the items
> means the locals will need assistance from the Feds, who typically look down
> on these small cases.
>
> Real life isn't like TV, where people in authority are always competent and
> highly motivated.
>
>

As it was a federal crime you should have contacted the federal
authorities. You have at least two companies involved in interstate
trade of stolen goods. That is a crime over and above the law I listed
up-thread.

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
> Mike Isaksen wrote:
>> "Lou" wrote ...
>>> "Matt Whiting" wrote:
>>>> I reported it to the NY state police and they couldn't have cared
>>>> less. They said that for the value in question it wasn't worth their
>>>> while. They suspected it was stolen by someone driving west on
>>>> route 17 which runs right by our airport and then fenced the next
>>>> day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and probably paid
>>>> in cash.
>>> So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
>>> goods?
>>>
>>
>> Criminal charges are not brought to the Court by civilians. The
>> insurance claim cited means that the Insurance Co probably had the
>> biggest loss in this. They may also have the means to convince the
>> Ohio authorities to investigate the shop. If the owner is sloppy, he
>> may still have some other stolen product laying on shelves. But the
>> interstate nature of the items means the locals will need assistance
>> from the Feds, who typically look down on these small cases.
>>
>> Real life isn't like TV, where people in authority are always
>> competent and highly motivated.
>>
>
> As it was a federal crime you should have contacted the federal
> authorities. You have at least two companies involved in interstate
> trade of stolen goods. That is a crime over and above the law I listed
> up-thread.

Sorry Mike that reply was more to Matt than you.

[Matt Whiting]

Lou wrote:
> On Sep 11, 6:03 pm, Matt Whiting > wrote:
>> JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>> Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
>>>> think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
>>> I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
>>> taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
>>> When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
>>> cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
>>> could put in an insurance claim.
>>> In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
>>> federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
>>> just a property crime, no one really cares.
>> That was my experience exactly. I had a KX165 stolen from my 182 around
>> 1998. The police had zero interest in the theft other than giving me
>> what I needed for the insurance claim.
>>
>> The really interesting part is that I bought a used KX165 from one of
>> the avionics shops in Florida (I forget the name now, but one of the
>> larger ones not a fly-by-night outfit) and, you guessed it, found that
>> it was MY radio! I thought the wear on the bezel looked a little too
>> familiar and a serial number checked confirmed it. I called the
>> avionics retailed and they had bought it yellow-tagged from a smaller
>> avionics shop in Ohio. I called them and they had failing memory and
>> couldn't remember where they got it. I reported it to the NY state
>> police and they couldn't have cared less. They said that for the value
>> in question it wasn't worth their while. They suspected it was stolen
>> by someone driving west on route 17 which runs right by our airport and
>> then fenced the next day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and
>> probably paid in cash.
>>
>> Matt
>
> So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
> goods?
> Lou

I'm not a lawyer so I can't say for sure, but the police made it clear
they weren't interested in pursuing it. Could I have convinced Florida
to pursue the avionics retailer? Maybe, but it wasn't worth it to try
to pursue a case in a state 1,000 miles away.

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
> Mike Isaksen wrote:
>> "Lou" wrote ...
>>> "Matt Whiting" wrote:
>>>> I reported it to the NY state police and they couldn't have cared
>>>> less. They said that for the value in question it wasn't worth their
>>>> while. They suspected it was stolen by someone driving west on
>>>> route 17 which runs right by our airport and then fenced the next
>>>> day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and probably paid
>>>> in cash.
>>> So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
>>> goods?
>>>
>>
>> Criminal charges are not brought to the Court by civilians. The
>> insurance claim cited means that the Insurance Co probably had the
>> biggest loss in this. They may also have the means to convince the
>> Ohio authorities to investigate the shop. If the owner is sloppy, he
>> may still have some other stolen product laying on shelves. But the
>> interstate nature of the items means the locals will need assistance
>> from the Feds, who typically look down on these small cases.
>>
>> Real life isn't like TV, where people in authority are always
>> competent and highly motivated.
>>
>
> As it was a federal crime you should have contacted the federal
> authorities. You have at least two companies involved in interstate
> trade of stolen goods. That is a crime over and above the law I listed
> up-thread.

The state police called the FBI. When they heard the size of the loss,
they had no interest either. What part of "law enforcement" had no
interest didn't you understand from my earlier post?

We also let the insurance company know all that we knew, and they said
it wasn't worth going after either. They sent us a check and seemed
happy and we had our radio back so we were mostly happy other than
having a couple of weeks without a radio.

Matt

[David Lesher]

Matt Whiting > writes:


>The state police called the FBI. When they heard the size of the loss,
>they had no interest either. What part of "law enforcement" had no
>interest didn't you understand from my earlier post?

Unless they are going to get on TeeVee, the Bureau could care less at an
under say $20K loss. Such a case would never get them promoted.

Sorry, Charlie, the tunas with good taste lose again...

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[dave]

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
>> Mike Isaksen wrote:
>>> "Lou" wrote ...
>>>> "Matt Whiting" wrote:
>>>>> I reported it to the NY state police and they couldn't have cared
>>>>> less. They said that for the value in question it wasn't worth their
>>>>> while. They suspected it was stolen by someone driving west on
>>>>> route 17 which runs right by our airport and then fenced the next
>>>>> day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and probably paid
>>>>> in cash.
>>>> So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
>>>> goods?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Criminal charges are not brought to the Court by civilians. The
>>> insurance claim cited means that the Insurance Co probably had the
>>> biggest loss in this. They may also have the means to convince the
>>> Ohio authorities to investigate the shop. If the owner is sloppy, he
>>> may still have some other stolen product laying on shelves. But the
>>> interstate nature of the items means the locals will need assistance
>>> from the Feds, who typically look down on these small cases.
>>>
>>> Real life isn't like TV, where people in authority are always
>>> competent and highly motivated.
>>>
>>
>> As it was a federal crime you should have contacted the federal
>> authorities. You have at least two companies involved in interstate
>> trade of stolen goods. That is a crime over and above the law I listed
>> up-thread.
>
> The state police called the FBI. When they heard the size of the loss,
> they had no interest either. What part of "law enforcement" had no
> interest didn't you understand from my earlier post?
>
> We also let the insurance company know all that we knew, and they said
> it wasn't worth going after either. They sent us a check and seemed
> happy and we had our radio back so we were mostly happy other than
> having a couple of weeks without a radio.
>
> Matt
The feds don't really care.
We had a incident where someone put valve grinding compound in the oil
of one of our jump planes and the pilot put it down about a mile from
take off. Airplane survived but the 40 hour motor was trashed. Almost
killed a plane full of people.
The person in question was witnessed buying the stuff at the local auto
parts store.
The feds didn't pursue it and the county cops told the pilot/owner do
what you need to do, just don't do it in his county.