Marine Is Blamed in Marine Deaths

[Henry J Cobb]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/29/international/worldspecial/29MARI.html
> An investigation report, to be released on Monday by the United States
> Central Command, said the dead were so shot up by both Iraqis and A-10
> Air Force jets that it was almost impossible to determine exactly how
> they had died.

So once again The Force cannot accept any responsibility for anything
they do.

How many more will die before they leave tac air to the services that
can at least identify unique American vehicles on sight?

-HJC

[Kevin Brooks]

"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/29/international/worldspecial/29MARI.html
> > An investigation report, to be released on Monday by the United States
> > Central Command, said the dead were so shot up by both Iraqis and A-10
> > Air Force jets that it was almost impossible to determine exactly how
> > they had died.
>
> So once again The Force cannot accept any responsibility for anything
> they do.
>
> How many more will die before they leave tac air to the services that
> can at least identify unique American vehicles on sight?

Henry, you have now crossed from being an ignorant boob into the territory
of stupid, arrogant SOB. Read all of the available info before you make your
solemn pronouncements:

From:
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/03/27/67239.php?sp1=rgj&sp2=News&sp3=Local+News&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=local_news

(Begin excerpt)
During the three hour debriefing with Tina Cline and her family, 1st Sgt.
Jason Ruff and Capt. Jeremy Hoffman, of the 2nd Marine Division in Camp
Lejeune, told them the amphibious vehicle John Cline was in took two hits.

"They believe the AV was first hit by enemy fire," Cline said. "The drivers
looked in the back and said everyone's dead. The two drivers escaped."

When the drivers returned to the site, they said the front of the vehicle
was now blown up.

The devastation of the vehicle upon their return leads speculation that the
second hit was from bombs dropped by a twin-engine Air Force A-10
Thunderbolt, Cline said.

"The bombs that came from the Air Force would have taken out the whole
vehicle," said Kay Valerio, Cline's aunt. "The driver's would have been
dead. That's why they believe the original hit was done by the enemy."

(End excerpt)

The Marine commander has commented on the extreme confusion that surrounded
who was going where, who was firing at who, etc., during this melee, and
YOU, sitting in your comfortable living room chair on that fat little ass of
your's has the temerity to pronounce judgement upon the A-10 pilot?

You *were* a sometimes amusing little fellow, with your simplistic
pronouncements regarding how you know so much more than the folks who do
this for a living-- but you are now more of a disgusting little slug,
leaving slime behind you wherever you go.

Brooks


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> -HJC
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[BUFDRVR]

>So once again The Force cannot accept any responsibility for anything
>they do.
>
>How many more will die before they leave tac air to the services that
>can at least identify unique American vehicles on sight?
>
>-HJC

Close Air Support is a dangerous, difficult mission and even the USMC has
brought weapons to bear on their own. Hell, in the Battle of Khafji Marine LAVs
fired on other Marine LAVs killing all but the driver of one LAV. Friendly fire
is not unique to the Air Force or the US in general.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Ed Rasimus]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:39:02 -0800, Henry J Cobb > wrote:

>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/29/international/worldspecial/29MARI.html
> > An investigation report, to be released on Monday by the United States
> > Central Command, said the dead were so shot up by both Iraqis and A-10
> > Air Force jets that it was almost impossible to determine exactly how
> > they had died.

Of course, that's only part of the extensive and detailed report. The
report also noted that it was a Marine controller that called in the
strike.
>
>So once again The Force cannot accept any responsibility for anything
>they do.

Who is "The Force"? Certainly the military accepted full
responsibility for conducting a detailed investigation of the tragedy.
And, the military made the report of the investigation available to
the public. And, you can bet that the outcome of the report is that
the oversights and errors that occurred will drive the development of
procedural changes to minimize the chance of recurrence.
>
>How many more will die before they leave tac air to the services that
>can at least identify unique American vehicles on sight?

What services would that be, Henry? Ever been in a battle in a
tactical fast-mover? Ever tried to identify a vehicle from an
airplane? Ever seen a camouflaged vehicle from the air? Ever employed
a weapon system of any kind? In battle?

I didn't think so. It's damnably easy to be critical and glib when
demeaning a system from the comfort of one's easy chair.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8