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Michael Wise
April 10th 04, 12:01 AM
Eto dlya tebya, gospodin Petukhov.


http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2643

LONDON - Several human rights groups are condemning what they say are
widespread abuses in the Russian republic of Chechnya and refugee camps
in neighbouring Ingushetia.

The groups, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, say
they have new evidence of rape, torture and summary execution of Chechen
civilians by Russian troops.

"The climate of abuse and impunity in Chechnya is now spilling over into
Ingushetia and threatening stability there, too," said Anna Neistat,
Moscow director for Human Rights Watch, in a statement on the
organization's website.

"Russia's assurances of 'normalization' in the region should no longer
obscure the vision of the international community. A resolution on
Chechnya and Ingushetia will send the message that these continuing
abuses must stop."

Russia insists that life in the breakaway republic is slowly returning
to normal after several years of war.

But the groups reject Moscow's line, saying the cycle of violence is
escalating. "The government is using a mixed policy of threats and
incentives to get the displaced persons to return (to Chechnya), with
blatant disregard for their well-founded fears about security," said
Neistat.

Chechen leader Aslan Maskhadov said the West ignores Russian abuses in
Chechnya and branded its concern for human rights a sham. "I think the
international community's behaviour towards Chechnya is immoral," he
said in an interview published on Thursday on Chechen Press website

Memorial, the only major rights group active in Chechnya, said 78 people
were abducted in Chechnya, 41 of whom then disappeared, in the first
three months of 2004. Rights groups blame many of these abductions on
Kadyrov's forces.

Maskhadov said Washington ignored Russian violations for its own
reasons. "The Americans are playing their own game with Russia and,
unfortunately, often play the Chechen card," he said. "I do not doubt
that they are well-informed about what real terrorism is."

Maskhadov was elected president of an effectively independent Chechnya
in 1997 shortly after his guerrillas fought the Russian army to its
knees.

The Enlightenment
April 10th 04, 04:30 AM
"Michael Wise" > wrote in message
...
> Eto dlya tebya, gospodin Petukhov.
>
>
> http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2643
>
> LONDON - Several human rights groups are condemning what they say
are
> widespread abuses in the Russian republic of Chechnya and refugee
camps
> in neighbouring Ingushetia.
>

Be a good little neocon boy and get with the Program.

The deal is this.

America does not exploit the CIS's problems in Chechyna
then the CIS doesn't exploit the USA's problems in Iraq and
Afghanistan.

If you want to give the Russians a hard time about Chechyna (which is
after all part of their empire) then expect to find a things hotting
up in the UN and world opinion as the effective Russian propaganda
machine gets going.

The Rusians would hate to see a Stinger SAM turn up in Chechnia as
much as the American would hate to see an SA-16 MANPADS or Koronet ATM
somehow find it's way to Iraq.

Personaly I find it reprehensible the way the west has exploited the
problems their Christian and White European brothers have experienced.
We have since the Crimean war used Muslims to create problems for
Bulgarians, Russians, Serbs etc. It will backfire.

Scott Ferrin
April 10th 04, 05:49 AM
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:30:26 GMT, "The Enlightenment"
> wrote:

>
>"Michael Wise" > wrote in message
...
>> Eto dlya tebya, gospodin Petukhov.
>>
>>
>> http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2643
>>
>> LONDON - Several human rights groups are condemning what they say
>are
>> widespread abuses in the Russian republic of Chechnya and refugee
>camps
>> in neighbouring Ingushetia.
>>
>
>Be a good little neocon boy and get with the Program.
>
>The deal is this.
>
>America does not exploit the CIS's problems in Chechyna
>then the CIS doesn't exploit the USA's problems in Iraq and
>Afghanistan.
>
>If you want to give the Russians a hard time about Chechyna (which is
>after all part of their empire) then expect to find a things hotting
>up in the UN and world opinion as the effective Russian propaganda
>machine gets going.


I suspect he's posting in response to the dumbasses here who post
every little thing they can find on the US war in Iraq.

Michael Wise
April 10th 04, 07:04 AM
In article >,
"The Enlightenment" > wrote:

> "Michael Wise" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Eto dlya tebya, gospodin Petukhov.
> >
> >
> > http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2643
> >
> > LONDON - Several human rights groups are condemning what they say
> are
> > widespread abuses in the Russian republic of Chechnya and refugee
> camps
> > in neighbouring Ingushetia.
> >
>
> Be a good little neocon boy and get with the Program.


I'll do that if you promise to be a good remedial observation student
and pay attention to the spew of constant anti-US screed from a certain
poster in Russia.

It's called satire; look into it.



--Mike

The Enlightenment
April 10th 04, 10:10 AM
"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:30:26 GMT, "The Enlightenment"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Michael Wise" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Eto dlya tebya, gospodin Petukhov.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2643
> >>
> >> LONDON - Several human rights groups are condemning what they say
> >are
> >> widespread abuses in the Russian republic of Chechnya and refugee
> >camps
> >> in neighbouring Ingushetia.
> >>
> >
> >Be a good little neocon boy and get with the Program.
> >
> >The deal is this.
> >
> >America does not exploit the CIS's problems in Chechyna
> >then the CIS doesn't exploit the USA's problems in Iraq and
> >Afghanistan.
> >
> >If you want to give the Russians a hard time about Chechyna (which
is
> >after all part of their empire) then expect to find a things
hotting
> >up in the UN and world opinion as the effective Russian propaganda
> >machine gets going.
>
>
> I suspect he's posting in response to the dumbasses here who post
> every little thing they can find on the US war in Iraq.

Fine then. I'll make the same point to Michael. The peoples of the
USA and Russia should have more in common.

At the moment it is good that the bear and the eagle have got each
other by the Scrotum.

Tank Fixer
April 10th 04, 10:37 PM
In article >,
on Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:30:26 GMT,
The Enlightenment attempted to say .....

>
> If you want to give the Russians a hard time about Chechyna (which is
> after all part of their empire) then expect to find a things hotting
> up in the UN and world opinion as the effective Russian propaganda
> machine gets going.
>

Except Chechnia has only been part of the Russian empire since the
mid-1880's

Since the rest of the 19th century colonialists have freed their's why not
Russia ?


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