Seaplane rating

[Dallasâ„¢]

Wouldn't a pilot flying a seaplane with only a ASEL showing in the FAA
Registry be in violation?



--
Dallas

[Ron Wanttaja]

Dallas™ wrote:
> Wouldn't a pilot flying a seaplane with only a ASEL showing in the FAA
> Registry be in violation?

Depends on the certification of the seaplane. If it's experimental, he
doesn't need the rating to fly solo.

Ron Wanttaja

[Dallasâ„¢]

On 28 Nov 2008 14:20:43 GMT, Clark wrote:

> Not necessarily. The Registry is always a little out of date. The pilot could
> be ASES for a couple or three months before it shows in the registry.

Ok... I was just wondering, I kept seeing Todd Palin's float plane moored
in the Palin's backyard when she was doing all those interviews. The
Registry shows him as SEL.



--
Dallas

[Robert M. Gary]

On Nov 28, 8:23*am, Dallas™ > wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2008 14:20:43 GMT, Clark wrote:
>
> > Not necessarily. The Registry is always a little out of date. The pilot could
> > be ASES for a couple or three months before it shows in the registry.
>
> Ok... I was just wondering, I kept seeing Todd Palin's float plane moored
> in the Palin's backyard when she was doing all those interviews. *The
> Registry shows him as SEL.

Could be that he's signed off solo. However, I read somewhere that the
FAA estimates that about 25% of all pilots in Alaska are not properly
rated. Alaska is a long way from DC and they're not always excited to
follow regulations that are brought to them from 5,000 miles away. In
fact there is a pretty big movement of people in Alaska who want to
leave the union because they feel that DC is far too out of touch with
the realities of living in remote Alaska.

-Robert

[BT]

explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do with it?
In the USA
BT

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> Dallas™ wrote:
>> Wouldn't a pilot flying a seaplane with only a ASEL showing in the FAA
>> Registry be in violation?
>
> Depends on the certification of the seaplane. If it's experimental, he
> doesn't need the rating to fly solo.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

[Robert Moore]

"BT" wrote
> explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
> with it? In the USA

FAR 61.31
(k) Exceptions.

(1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
aircraft.

(2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to—

(i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;

(ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;

(iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
the authority of—

(A) A provisional type certificate; or

(B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
passenger;

Bob Moore

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 28, 8:23 am, Dallas™ > wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2008 14:20:43 GMT, Clark wrote:
>
> > Not necessarily. The Registry is always a little out of date. The pilot
> > could
> > be ASES for a couple or three months before it shows in the registry.
>
> Ok... I was just wondering, I kept seeing Todd Palin's float plane moored
> in the Palin's backyard when she was doing all those interviews. The
> Registry shows him as SEL.

Could be that he's signed off solo. However, I read somewhere that the
FAA estimates that about 25% of all pilots in Alaska are not properly
rated. Alaska is a long way from DC and they're not always excited to
follow regulations that are brought to them from 5,000 miles away. In
fact there is a pretty big movement of people in Alaska who want to
leave the union because they feel that DC is far too out of touch with
the realities of living in remote Alaska.

-Robert

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Then we should all leave the union, because they seem to be a good bit out
of touch with the realities of living just about anywhere. :)

[Ron Wanttaja]

BT wrote:
> "Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message

>>> Wouldn't a pilot flying a seaplane with only a ASEL showing in the
>>> FAA Registry be in violation?
>
>> Depends on the certification of the seaplane. If it's experimental,
>> he doesn't need the rating to fly solo.>
>
> explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do with it?
> In the USA

Experimentals operate under Special Airworthiness, where any
restrictions are spelled out in operating limitations. Until a few
years back, there were no limitations at all, but now they limit a pilot
without the appropriate ratings to flying solo.

It's kinda like how the FARs don't require homebuilts to have annual
inspections....

Ron Wanttaja

[BT]

Thanx Bob... that's a new wrinkle I had not seen..
BT

"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
5.250...
> "BT" wrote
>> explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
>> with it? In the USA
>
> FAR 61.31
> (k) Exceptions.
>
> (1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
> not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
> aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
> aircraft.
>
> (2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to-
>
> (i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;
>
> (ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;
>
> (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
> the authority of-
>
> (A) A provisional type certificate; or
>
> (B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
> passenger;
>
> Bob Moore

[Morgans[_2_]]

"BT" > wrote in message
...
> Thanx Bob... that's a new wrinkle I had not seen..

Although, there are ways the FAA can make it difficult for you.

At a EAA flyin, a FAA inspector guy told us that although you were not
required to have a seaplane rating for an experimental seaplane, if he was
doing the signing off the inspection before the initial test period and knew
the person going to fly it was not seaplane rated, he would likely make the
restrictions something like "only to fly on the last Tuesday in the month
after a full moon at full tide and only if the full tide maximum occurs at
2:00 PM."

You get the idea. He wanted to make sure a person flying a brand new
homebuilt was rated for the aircraft.
--
Jim in NC

[Dallasâ„¢]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:56:44 GMT, Robert Moore wrote:

> (B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
> passenger;

(C) Owner of aircraft is married to the Governor of the State.

:- )


--
Dallas

[Bob Noel[_4_]]

In article
>,
"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> In
> fact there is a pretty big movement of people in Alaska who want to
> leave the union because they feel that DC is far too out of touch with
> the realities of living in remote Alaska.

(keeping this at least partially aviation-focused) a lot of DC
isn't in touch with much of GA anywhere in the USA.

[Dave S]

BUT... if you are carrying passengers, the exception doesnt hold, and
you have to have the cat/class for the plane.. (restating what was
mentioned initially..)

BT wrote:
> Thanx Bob... that's a new wrinkle I had not seen..
> BT
>
> "Robert Moore" > wrote in message
> 5.250...
>> "BT" wrote
>>> explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
>>> with it? In the USA
>> FAR 61.31
>> (k) Exceptions.
>>
>> (1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
>> not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
>> aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
>> aircraft.
>>
>> (2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to-
>>
>> (i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;
>>
>> (ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;
>>
>> (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
>> the authority of-
>>
>> (A) A provisional type certificate; or
>>
>> (B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
>> passenger;
>>
>> Bob Moore
>
>

[Darkwing]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
>
>> In
>> fact there is a pretty big movement of people in Alaska who want to
>> leave the union because they feel that DC is far too out of touch with
>> the realities of living in remote Alaska.
>
> (keeping this at least partially aviation-focused) a lot of DC
> isn't in touch with much of GA anywhere in the USA.


They also put that big TFR in DC just to keep us all out!

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Nov 28, 8:23 am, DallasT > wrote:
>> On 28 Nov 2008 14:20:43 GMT, Clark wrote:
>>
>> > Not necessarily. The Registry is always a little out of date. The pilot
>> > could
>> > be ASES for a couple or three months before it shows in the registry.
>>
>> Ok... I was just wondering, I kept seeing Todd Palin's float plane moored
>> in the Palin's backyard when she was doing all those interviews. The
>> Registry shows him as SEL.
>
> Could be that he's signed off solo. However, I read somewhere that the
> FAA estimates that about 25% of all pilots in Alaska are not properly
> rated. Alaska is a long way from DC and they're not always excited to
> follow regulations that are brought to them from 5,000 miles away. In
> fact there is a pretty big movement of people in Alaska who want to
> leave the union because they feel that DC is far too out of touch with
> the realities of living in remote Alaska.
>
> -Robert
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Then we should all leave the union, because they seem to be a good bit out
> of touch with the realities of living just about anywhere. :)

You first. I'm sure we could take up a collection here and pay for a 1-way
ticket to Stupidarseholestan. It's not that much different than Oklahoma.
You'd be right at home there.

Bon voyage.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
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||
| You first. I'm sure we could take up a collection here and pay for a
1-way
| ticket to Stupidarseholestan. It's not that much different than Oklahoma.
| You'd be right at home there.
|

Why would I want to move to your home town, Tex.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> ||
> | You first. I'm sure we could take up a collection here and pay for a
> 1-way
> | ticket to Stupidarseholestan. It's not that much different than
> Oklahoma.
> | You'd be right at home there.
> |
>
> Why would I want to move to your home town, Tex.

Typical lame as a wounded duck Okie response, Maxipad. Keep up the good
work.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
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| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > ||
| > | You first. I'm sure we could take up a collection here and pay for a
| > 1-way
| > | ticket to Stupidarseholestan. It's not that much different than
| > Oklahoma.
| > | You'd be right at home there.
| > |
| >
| > Why would I want to move to your home town, Tex.
|
| Typical lame as a wounded duck Okie response, Maxipad. Keep up the good
| work.
|

You would indeed by our resident expert lame duck.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > ||
> | > | You first. I'm sure we could take up a collection here and pay for
> a
> | > 1-way
> | > | ticket to Stupidarseholestan. It's not that much different than
> | > Oklahoma.
> | > | You'd be right at home there.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Why would I want to move to your home town, Tex.
> |
> | Typical lame as a wounded duck Okie response, Maxipad. Keep up the good
> | work.
> |
>
> You would indeed by our resident expert lame duck.

Into meth this early?

That stuff is going to rot your brain cell, Okie.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
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|
| Into meth this early?
|
| That stuff is going to rot your brain cell, Okie.
|

Nope, you're clearly the only doper around here you senseless idiot.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | Into meth this early?
> |
> | That stuff is going to rot your brain cell, Okie.
> |
>
> Nope, you're clearly the only doper around here you senseless idiot.

Aw, come now Maxipad. You write some of the most incoherent nonsense I've
seen from you in quite a while (which is really saying something), and now
you expect anyone to believe you haven't been hitting the pipe?

I suppose I could simply chalk it up to your massive Okie inbreeding
ancestry, your mom's alcoholism while she was out on the streetcorner
knocked up with you, and your failed Okie rural education.

Would that make you feel better, Maxie? And here I was trying to give you
the benefit of the doubt. Oh well, have it your way.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > |
| > | Into meth this early?
| > |
| > | That stuff is going to rot your brain cell, Okie.
| > |
| >
| > Nope, you're clearly the only doper around here you senseless idiot.
|
| Aw, come now Maxipad. You write some of the most incoherent nonsense I've
| seen from you in quite a while (which is really saying something), and now
| you expect anyone to believe you haven't been hitting the pipe?
|
| I suppose I could simply chalk it up to your massive Okie inbreeding
| ancestry, your mom's alcoholism while she was out on the streetcorner
| knocked up with you, and your failed Okie rural education.
|
| Would that make you feel better, Maxie? And here I was trying to give you
| the benefit of the doubt. Oh well, have it your way.
|

Poor Mikey Mouth, you try so hard. But every time you begin to type, you do
nothing but showcase your own mental illness.

[Mike]

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > |
> | > | Into meth this early?
> | > |
> | > | That stuff is going to rot your brain cell, Okie.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Nope, you're clearly the only doper around here you senseless idiot.
> |
> | Aw, come now Maxipad. You write some of the most incoherent nonsense
> I've
> | seen from you in quite a while (which is really saying something), and
> now
> | you expect anyone to believe you haven't been hitting the pipe?
> |
> | I suppose I could simply chalk it up to your massive Okie inbreeding
> | ancestry, your mom's alcoholism while she was out on the streetcorner
> | knocked up with you, and your failed Okie rural education.
> |
> | Would that make you feel better, Maxie? And here I was trying to give
> you
> | the benefit of the doubt. Oh well, have it your way.
> |
>
> Poor Mikey Mouth, you try so hard. But every time you begin to type, you
> do
> nothing but showcase your own mental illness.

....sez the anencephalic Okie.

[Maxwell[_2_]]

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
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| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > |
| > | > | Into meth this early?
| > | > |
| > | > | That stuff is going to rot your brain cell, Okie.
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Nope, you're clearly the only doper around here you senseless idiot.
| > |
| > | Aw, come now Maxipad. You write some of the most incoherent nonsense
| > I've
| > | seen from you in quite a while (which is really saying something), and
| > now
| > | you expect anyone to believe you haven't been hitting the pipe?
| > |
| > | I suppose I could simply chalk it up to your massive Okie inbreeding
| > | ancestry, your mom's alcoholism while she was out on the streetcorner
| > | knocked up with you, and your failed Okie rural education.
| > |
| > | Would that make you feel better, Maxie? And here I was trying to give
| > you
| > | the benefit of the doubt. Oh well, have it your way.
| > |
| >
| > Poor Mikey Mouth, you try so hard. But every time you begin to type, you
| > do
| > nothing but showcase your own mental illness.
|
| ...sez the anencephalic Okie.
|

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Robert Moore wrote:
> "BT" wrote
>> explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
>> with it? In the USA
>
> FAR 61.31
> (k) Exceptions.
>
> (1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
> not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
> aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
> aircraft.
>
> (2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to—
>
> (i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;
>
> (ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;
>
> (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
> the authority of—
>
> (A) A provisional type certificate; or
>
> (B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
> passenger;
>
> Bob Moore

Let's say a person holds a Private A-SEL and Rotorcraft-Helicopter but
has chosen to NOT get a medical and flies LSA class fixed wing aircraft.
Can that person fly and Ex-HB Helicopter without a medical?

[Robert Moore]

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote
> Let's say a person holds a Private A-SEL and Rotorcraft-Helicopter but
> has chosen to NOT get a medical and flies LSA class fixed wing
> aircraft. Can that person fly and Ex-HB Helicopter without a medical?

NOPE! But the regs do permit a Private A-SEL pilot to fly it without
having a Rotorcraft-Helicopter rating. That's what the reg says, however
I understand that to deal with this loop-hole, that the FAA individual
who "signs-off" the experimental helicopter usually writes into the
operating limitations that the pilot shall posess an appropriate rating.

Bob Moore

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Robert Moore wrote:
> Gig 601Xl Builder wrote
>> Let's say a person holds a Private A-SEL and Rotorcraft-Helicopter but
>> has chosen to NOT get a medical and flies LSA class fixed wing
>> aircraft. Can that person fly and Ex-HB Helicopter without a medical?
>
> NOPE! But the regs do permit a Private A-SEL pilot to fly it without
> having a Rotorcraft-Helicopter rating. That's what the reg says, however
> I understand that to deal with this loop-hole, that the FAA individual
> who "signs-off" the experimental helicopter usually writes into the
> operating limitations that the pilot shall posess an appropriate rating.
>
> Bob Moore

There's the FAA logic for you. I have a Helo rating but can't fly a
single seat EX-HB helicopter while a guy who has never sat in one can.

God Bless the FAA.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Gig 601Xl Builder" > wrote

> There's the FAA logic for you. I have a Helo rating but can't fly a single
> seat EX-HB helicopter while a guy who has never sat in one can.

As I understand your question, there are two separate questions implied.

One was asking if a non medical holding pilot can fly an experimental
helicopter.

The answer is no, because there are no LSA helicopters. ALL helicopters
require a medical unless it is an ultralight helicopter.

As to the difference in an exp-helicopter and a certified one, while it is
possible to solo fly an exp-heli without a rating, if any FAA can do
anything about it, they will prevent it.
--
Jim in NC

[Robert M. Gary]

On Nov 28, 4:23*pm, Bob Noel > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
>
> > *In
> > fact there is a pretty big movement of people in Alaska who want to
> > leave the union because they feel that DC is far too out of touch with
> > the realities of living in remote Alaska.
>
> (keeping this at least partially aviation-focused) a lot of DC
> isn't in touch with much of GA anywhere in the USA.

SNL did a funny sketch where the NY Times was looking to send a
reporter to Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin. One reported asked "Am I
going to be eaten by bears?". Another asks about being able to get a
capachino, etc.

-Robert