Bush is set to invade/overthrow Cuba next [Archive]

Aerophotos

May 3rd 04, 04:44 AM

That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again, yes AGAIN at
the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or UN unapproved
illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.

This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country running itself
as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms so close to
it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow Cuba.

All this before November elections. Does he have time for another
holiday too?

Man on man this Bush already in deep frying oil over WTC, GW2 and
endless other issues... when will he stop..will he ever learn?

Cuba is a soverign country, just casue Bush does not like Cuba that
doesnt give him the right to overthrow it.. thats akin to Cuba saying
same about the US and overthrowing Bushs regime.. but i suspect people
would somehow support Castreos plans more.

Still all in all, it show how paranoid Bush is...why he is still feeling
this way let him start a war with russia ....because they are still in
effect a pro-communist regime.

Wonder why he doesnt... is there a problem Mr Bush?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9455136%255E1702,00.html

Mitchell Holman

May 3rd 04, 04:58 AM

Aerophotos > wrote in
:

> That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again,
yes AGAIN at
> the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or
UN unapproved
> illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
>
> This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country
running itself
> as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms
so close to
> it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow
Cuba.

Modern Conservative: Someone who can defend
Bush giving millions to Communist China to take
apart our spy plane and traveling to Communist
China to "expand trade opportunities" to claim
that we need to boycott trade with Cuba because
it is...communist.

PLMerite

May 3rd 04, 05:21 AM

"Bush is set to invade/overthrow Cuba next"

Good. Castro deserves to get a JDAM up his ass.

Are you and the other lefties gonna shill for Castro and Saddam both?

Regards, PLMerite

--

"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

PLMerite

May 3rd 04, 05:23 AM

"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
...
> Aerophotos > wrote in
> :
>
> > That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again,
> yes AGAIN at
> > the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or
> UN unapproved
> > illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
> >
> > This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country
> running itself
> > as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms
> so close to
> > it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow
> Cuba.
>
>
> Modern Conservative: Someone who can defend
> Bush giving millions to Communist China to take
> apart our spy plane and traveling to Communist
> China to "expand trade opportunities" to claim
> that we need to boycott trade with Cuba because
> it is...communist.

Glad to hear you're behind a boycott of Chinese goods, too.

You'll have to stop shopping at Wal-Mart, though.

Regards, PLMerite

--

If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up.

Kevin Brooks

May 3rd 04, 05:24 AM

"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
...
> Aerophotos > wrote in
> :
>
> > That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again,
> yes AGAIN at
> > the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or
> UN unapproved
> > illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
> >
> > This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country
> running itself
> > as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms
> so close to
> > it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow
> Cuba.
>
>
> Modern Conservative: Someone who can defend
> Bush giving millions to Communist China to take
> apart our spy plane and traveling to Communist
> China to "expand trade opportunities" to claim
> that we need to boycott trade with Cuba because
> it is...communist.

I hate to remind you of this, but if John Kennedy had not withdrawn the
promised support for the Bay of Pigs at the last minute, there could very
well been a different outcome at that time the Cubans may very well have
re-taken their homeland.

BLASPHEMY, he said something bad about John Kennedy! Damn right I did.

Mitchell Holman

May 3rd 04, 05:38 AM

"PLMerite" > wrote in news:ZOjlc.72170$G_.26841
@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

>
> "Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Aerophotos > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again,
>> yes AGAIN at
>> > the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or
>> UN unapproved
>> > illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
>> >
>> > This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country
>> running itself
>> > as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms
>> so close to
>> > it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow
>> Cuba.
>>
>>
>> Modern Conservative: Someone who can defend
>> Bush giving millions to Communist China to take
>> apart our spy plane and traveling to Communist
>> China to "expand trade opportunities" to claim
>> that we need to boycott trade with Cuba because
>> it is...communist.
>
> Glad to hear you're behind a boycott of Chinese goods, too.
>
> You'll have to stop shopping at Wal-Mart, though.

Walmart is a big GOP contributor and buyer
of Chinese goods. Figures.

Mitchell Holman

May 3rd 04, 05:41 AM

"TP" > wrote in :

>
> "Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Aerophotos > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again,
>> yes AGAIN at
>> > the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or
>> UN unapproved
>> > illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
>> >
>> > This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country
>> running itself
>> > as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms
>> so close to
>> > it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow
>> Cuba.
>>
>>
>> Modern Conservative: Someone who can defend
>> Bush giving millions to Communist China to take
>> apart our spy plane and traveling to Communist
>> China to "expand trade opportunities" to claim
>> that we need to boycott trade with Cuba because
>> it is...communist.
>
> I hate to remind you of this, but if John Kennedy had not withdrawn the
> promised support for the Bay of Pigs at the last minute, there could very
> well been a different outcome at that time the Cubans may very well have
> re-taken their homeland.

And put the Batista dictatorship back in power?
Not bloody likely.

May 3rd 04, 05:48 AM

> "Mitchell Holman" implies Bush says that we need to boycott trade with
Cuba because it is...communist.

If I'm not mistaken, trade with Cuba has been against US policy since Castro
took power with a few exceptions. How is it all of a sudden Bush's dictate?
Same way it was only he that was wrong about the WMD's?

Mitchell Holman

May 3rd 04, 06:17 AM

"TP" > wrote in :

>> "Mitchell Holman" implies Bush says that we need to boycott trade with
> Cuba because it is...communist.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, trade with Cuba has been against US policy since
> Castro took power with a few exceptions. How is it all of a sudden
> Bush's dictate?

Bush tightens rules on travel to Cuba
Friday, February 27, 2004

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush gave the federal government
new powers to keep American boats out of Cuba, a step meant to
deny the island nation the foreign currency it desperately needs
and one certain to worsen relations with Havana. Bush listed a
long list of grievances with Cuba, some of them decades old, in
explaining his Thursday evening move. Some people smelled politics:
Bush needs to win Florida in the election this year, and toughening
his stance on Cuba can help him win favor with voters there.
www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/ADVISOR/02/27/us.cuba.ap/

May 3rd 04, 06:19 AM

no need for that... that demented old fool's regime is gonna fall all by
itself very soon now.....

Aerophotos

May 3rd 04, 06:20 AM

which "old fool" regime did you exactly have in mind???.....

the socialist communist USA or communist Cuba?

please clarify for us...

JR wrote:
>
> no need for that... that demented old fool's regime is gonna fall all by
> itself very soon now.....

Kevin Brooks

May 3rd 04, 06:40 AM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> which "old fool" regime did you exactly have in mind???.....
>
> the socialist communist USA or communist Cuba?

Hey, numbnuts, just how do you qulify the US as being either socialist or
communist, much less both? I believe you were better off when you were
trying to convince us that the CIA was flying black F-4's (undoubtedly
precursors of those black helicopters you are so worried about today) with
singleton crews in Vietnam--that too was stupid and ridiculous, but at least
you were dealing with things-that-really-exist, like the F-4 and the CIA.,
as opposed to this latest strange construct of a "socialist communist
USA"...

>
> please clarify for us...

Why should he bother? You are obviously too much of an idiot to be able to
comprehend reality. And who is joining you in this "us"? You got a turd in
your pocket, or what?

Brooks

>
>
>
> JR wrote:
> >
> > no need for that... that demented old fool's regime is gonna fall all by
> > itself very soon now.....

Aerophotos

May 3rd 04, 07:21 AM

Hmm last i checked there are over 6bn people on this planet...

290m -/+ americans ....wait wait - 4 more deaths in iraq from bush's
policies...

Say another 900m westerners maybe ....give or take WHO you think is a
western country nowdays....

So leaves alot of non westerners around 4.5bn maybe... who would be keen
to see what the answer is regarding cuba and georges plans for it.

Regarding your ability to not handle the truth on the CIA ops flying
single seat F-4 missions.. if you choose to not to believe that, well
then you have a mindset and refuse to .....

Sadly for you,it is the truth from a source who served there and saw the
stuff happen... unlike you who didnt serve there and saw nothing..

Now who would i believe ...you or the source who served there???? my
logic says the source ....over you...who DIDNT.

If you have trouble handling vietnam ops single seat flying... of any
such F4 setup.... explain how QF-4 drone operations with single pilot
work then too... they have no radar and INS in some cases or how rare F4
missions for flying between bases with single pilots were allowed?....

They were single pilot ops flying neverless a F-4 also...or do you think
differently?.....

I await with eagerness... your reply on the forum.

The truth is always surprising/hard to accept and handle to some people,
they who dont expect things to happen because they think they cant
happen... when in fact they do...

Kevin Brooks wrote:
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > which "old fool" regime did you exactly have in mind???.....
> >
> > the socialist communist USA or communist Cuba?
>
> Hey, numbnuts, just how do you qulify the US as being either socialist or
> communist, much less both? I believe you were better off when you were
> trying to convince us that the CIA was flying black F-4's (undoubtedly
> precursors of those black helicopters you are so worried about today) with
> singleton crews in Vietnam--that too was stupid and ridiculous, but at least
> you were dealing with things-that-really-exist, like the F-4 and the CIA.,
> as opposed to this latest strange construct of a "socialist communist
> USA"...
>
> >
> > please clarify for us...
>
> Why should he bother? You are obviously too much of an idiot to be able to
> comprehend reality. And who is joining you in this "us"? You got a turd in
> your pocket, or what?
>
> Brooks
>
> >
> >
> >
> > JR wrote:
> > >
> > > no need for that... that demented old fool's regime is gonna fall all by
> > > itself very soon now.....

Aerophotos

May 3rd 04, 07:32 AM

Are you a US apoligist now Sunny? every post i see from you seems to
support that moral path...

Arent other countries allowed to live along side the US dominated world
without having to submit to US controls?

Are you really such a nasty person that you deny others their own
freedom beside pusshing a US policy so hard up there anal cavitity?.. eg
Cuba's population.

Why dont you go and die from Orange side effects now and claim the gold
card...

Sunny wrote:
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > which "old fool" regime did you exactly have in mind???..... >
> > the socialist communist USA or communist Cuba? >
> > please clarify for us...
>
> **** off jgg, and keep the "us" crap out of it.
> Just hide in a closet, and get a hard on thinking about the USA.

Sunny

May 3rd 04, 07:32 AM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> which "old fool" regime did you exactly have in mind???..... >
> the socialist communist USA or communist Cuba? >
> please clarify for us...

**** off jgg, and keep the "us" crap out of it.
Just hide in a closet, and get a hard on thinking about the USA.

Sunny

May 3rd 04, 07:39 AM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> Hmm last i checked there are over 6bn people on this planet...

Count them yourself ? Or are you accepting the word of "someone who was
there"?

Sunny

May 3rd 04, 07:54 AM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> Are you a US apoligist now Sunny? every post i see from you seems to
> support that moral path...

No not really, just ****ed off at retards like you.

> Arent other countries allowed to live along side the US dominated world
> without having to submit to US controls?

Most do, only your scumbag mates have anything to worry about.

> Are you really such a nasty person that you deny others their own
> freedom beside pusshing a US policy so hard up there anal cavitity?.. eg
> Cuba's population.

I am really very nice, just can't tolerate idiots, scum, and terrorist
apologists.

> Why dont you go and die from Orange side effects now and claim the gold
> card...

Already got one.

Gemütlichkeit

May 3rd 04, 08:31 AM

Every 3rd world, mud-hut-living, piece of **** country in the world seems to hold the US up to some impossible idealistic standard--in sharp contrast to their own corrupt, not to say chaotic, government. Ironically, this does not stop them from running to the US with their greedy, greasy hands out at the first sign of misfortune. When the US extends the hand of assistance, the scumbags first remove the American dollars and then spit in it. There is no loyalty. There is no gratitude. There is nothing but contempt and denigration.

Judge the US? As if you were remotely worthy of the task.

**** you all.

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message ...
Are you a US apoligist now Sunny? every post i see from you seems to
support that moral path...

Arent other countries allowed to live along side the US dominated world
without having to submit to US controls?

Are you really such a nasty person that you deny others their own
freedom beside pusshing a US policy so hard up there anal cavitity?.. eg
Cuba's population.

Why dont you go and die from Orange side effects now and claim the gold
card...

Sunny wrote:
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > which "old fool" regime did you exactly have in mind???..... >
> > the socialist communist USA or communist Cuba? >
> > please clarify for us...
>
> **** off jgg, and keep the "us" crap out of it.
> Just hide in a closet, and get a hard on thinking about the USA.

JStONGE123

May 3rd 04, 09:12 AM

Cool, great cigars theer. I want some of that booty.

The Durango 95 purred away real horrorshow. A nice warm vibratey feeling all
through your guttiwuts.

bbb.tyan

May 3rd 04, 09:48 AM

Sunny wrote:

> I am really very nice, just can't tolerate idiots, scum, and terrorist
> apologists.

if YOU would enter my house with violent intentions, without a reason,
just because you hate me,..

..., i WOULD fight you with with any suitable options i could realize
and i would KICK your damn sorry ass to the AREA51 studios.

if this this is your definition of terrorism - yes, you are right.

(hey you are right anyway. arent you? so it cant hurt to prove,
the information NOT coming from the mindcontrolindustries[tm]
(aka government, media), false. no?)

B2431

May 3rd 04, 09:51 AM

>From: Aerophotos
>
<snip>
>
>If you have trouble handling vietnam ops single seat flying... of any
>such F4 setup.... explain how QF-4 drone operations with single pilot
>work then too... they have no radar and INS in some cases

Does the word "target" mean anything to you? QFs are simply targets. They may
do some yanking and banking, but there is no pilot on board. You don't need a
GIB for that. The radar is left in for weight since to remove it will seriously
screw up C.G. by making it too tail heavy.

>in some cases or how rare F4
>missions for flying between bases with single pilots were allowed?..

That's a ferry mission, not a combat op.

Did it ever occur to you your "source" was pulling your leg? For that matter,
will you ever identify him to anyone who can confirm anything he says?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Aerophotos

May 3rd 04, 10:02 AM

Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in the
flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational flights
and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as people
anymore the pilots? They only a robot?

As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no crews
on board is wrong i think....

Other issue...

My source is classified sorry :) my groundie is not willing to go "live
" at this time...

He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity :), you know how cia
operations are at times.. shy for coverage...

So your telling me flying a F-4 with no radar over a ho trail is still
and was then impossible to do? eg cant do manuals drops or firing or
weapons?

INS and radar control cant be done by front seater...?

Another part i seems to recall is _maybe_ the source mentioning the
mission crew setup for the pilot was ... "wso controls set up prior
to departure" ... which would remove all the problem of dual crew use..

Now does that seem possible?

Mind you the source has all the personnel and operations effects of
thailand and vietnam operations...i can pull out info referring to
classified flight data for missions over SEA at a fingertip or review
mission criteria no problems. Weapon loads are even available to.

Ive seen them, reviewed them and discussed them with the source... there
is no doubting the info.. plain big bold usaf letterheads, crew names
etc etc etc

Maybe the flying operations this person is talking about that happened
30 odd year ago...its just that like flying thru hell gates.... is only
a experience that few will ever get to experience....

much like bombing Hanoi's Thanh Hoa bridge... not everyone who went
north, went into that hell hole of a target area.

B2431 wrote:
>
> >From: Aerophotos
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >If you have trouble handling vietnam ops single seat flying... of any
> >such F4 setup.... explain how QF-4 drone operations with single pilot
> >work then too... they have no radar and INS in some cases
>
> Does the word "target" mean anything to you? QFs are simply targets. They may
> do some yanking and banking, but there is no pilot on board. You don't need a
> GIB for that. The radar is left in for weight since to remove it will seriously
> screw up C.G. by making it too tail heavy.
>
> >in some cases or how rare F4
> >missions for flying between bases with single pilots were allowed?..
>
> That's a ferry mission, not a combat op.
>
> Did it ever occur to you your "source" was pulling your leg? For that matter,
> will you ever identify him to anyone who can confirm anything he says?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

--

··»¤·QUOKKA·¤«··

May 3rd 04, 01:05 PM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again, yes AGAIN at
> the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or UN unapproved
> illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
>
> This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country running itself
> as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms so close to
> it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow Cuba.
>
> All this before November elections. Does he have time for another
> holiday too?
>
>
> Man on man this Bush already in deep frying oil over WTC, GW2 and
> endless other issues... when will he stop..will he ever learn?
>
> Cuba is a soverign country, just casue Bush does not like Cuba that
> doesnt give him the right to overthrow it.. thats akin to Cuba saying
> same about the US and overthrowing Bushs regime.. but i suspect people
> would somehow support Castreos plans more.
>
> Still all in all, it show how paranoid Bush is...why he is still feeling
> this way let him start a war with russia ....because they are still in
> effect a pro-communist regime.
>
> Wonder why he doesnt... is there a problem Mr Bush?
>
>
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9455136%255E1702,00.html

I dont really know that much about history, but someone told me that the US
invaded Bermuda, then later realised it was a commonealth nation and backed
out before The Queen and her country got involved!!! Is this true??

George Z. Bush

May 3rd 04, 02:02 PM

··»¤·QUOKKA·¤«·· wrote:
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
>> That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again, yes AGAIN at
>> the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or UN unapproved
>> illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
>>
>> This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country running itself
>> as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms so close to
>> it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow Cuba.
>>
>> All this before November elections. Does he have time for another
>> holiday too?
>>
>>
>> Man on man this Bush already in deep frying oil over WTC, GW2 and
>> endless other issues... when will he stop..will he ever learn?
>>
>> Cuba is a soverign country, just casue Bush does not like Cuba that
>> doesnt give him the right to overthrow it.. thats akin to Cuba saying
>> same about the US and overthrowing Bushs regime.. but i suspect people
>> would somehow support Castreos plans more.
>>
>> Still all in all, it show how paranoid Bush is...why he is still feeling
>> this way let him start a war with russia ....because they are still in
>> effect a pro-communist regime.
>>
>> Wonder why he doesnt... is there a problem Mr Bush?
>>
>>
>
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9455136%255E1702,00.html
>
> I dont really know that much about history, but someone told me that the US
> invaded Bermuda, then later realised it was a commonealth nation and backed
> out before The Queen and her country got involved!!! Is this true??

The following is a link to a timeline on Bermuda history. There is no
indication there that the US ever invaded Bermuda, but do check for yourself.

http://bermuda.stanford.edu/resources/bermudaHistory.html

George Z.

Kevin Brooks

May 3rd 04, 03:08 PM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in the
> flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational flights
> and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as people
> anymore the pilots? They only a robot?

Strawman, and not a very good one at that. The QF-4 has nothing to do with
your alt-conspiracy-whacko ideas, JGG. The QF-4 was not flying during the
period of your purported black operations in Vietnam, either.

>
> As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
> with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
> Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no crews
> on board is wrong i think....
>
>
> Other issue...
>
> My source is classified sorry :) my groundie is not willing to go "live
> " at this time...

BWAHAHA! "Classified", eh? Then just how in tarnation did you, a foreign
national, and one no dobt lacking a clearance, find out about this "scoop"?
Idiot.

>
> He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
> agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity :), you know how cia
> operations are at times.. shy for coverage...

Oh, for cryin' out loud...do you *really* believe this crap? And they let
you work on *ejection seats*? What are you, a test dummy?

Brooks

<snip futher irrational/delusional ramblings>

May 3rd 04, 03:46 PM

>> "Mitchell Holman" said: And put the Batista dictatorship back in
power? Not bloody likely.

I was a junior/senior high schooler living in Hialeah at the time, and I can
tell you without hesitation that **ALL** the Cubans I was acquainted with
simply wanted their homeland back, Batista be-damned. And they got screwed
by Kennedy.

Anonymoose NoSpam

May 3rd 04, 03:49 PM

Aerophotos wrote:
> That great western loony of a leader, George Bush is again, yes AGAIN at
> the planning stage of yet another regime change idea... or UN unapproved
> illegal overthow/invasion for simple people.
>
> This time its Cuba

For over 40 years every time Castro's internal problems have gotten
worse he's called up the "big bad USA" routine to try and distract his
people.

Every since the late USSR stopped funneling a couple of billion a year
into Cuba to prop up its failed communist economy, things have been
going downhill there even quicker.

And of course it's 'just' the US - the fact that both Mexico and Peru
have severely reduced diplomatic relations with Cuba couldn't possibly
mean there was any common opinion regarding Cuba ("Mexico, Peru Withdraw
Ambassadors from Cuba",
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=19&u=/nm/20040503/ts_nm/mexico_cuba_dc_5).

It's just the USA being unilateral again; ignore the actions of those
other countries in the Western Hemisphere.

The interesting question is what happens when Castro dies? He's not
young, and, like many dictators, has killed or exiled anyone who might
possibly have the ability to successfully succeed him. His brother Raul
is not exactly the charismatic leader Castro was, nor is Raul much
younger. Talk about a potential power vacuum and chaos.

The US Coast Guard already has plans to stop any boats heading to Cuba
after his death; we're not interested in a bunch of old exiles rushing
over there to try and reclaim what they lost in 1959.

See, for example:
- http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2004/january/cipub2.asp
- http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,171045,00.html
- http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/Research_Studies/WLeoGrande.pdf

May 3rd 04, 04:08 PM

>> "Mitchell Holman" , quoted that bastion of liberal BS, CNN, to further
his point about trade restrictions with
Cuba.

Look I don't agree with everything Bush does, and it is kind of ignorant to
trade with one communist nation and deny same to another IF the only reason
is because of the communist govt. But what does Cuba have to offer at this
time besides cigars and sugar cane?

But you know what, I bet you the Cubans living in south Florida right now
could care less whether it was a military invasion or economic sanctions
that ousted Castro and his goons, as long as they could go home.

One other thing, did you know that that liberal bible, the New York Times,
alerted Castro a couple of days ahead of time that an invasion was imminent
and doomed those poor guys before they even got started. Sons-a-bitches.

Aerophotos

May 4th 04, 12:27 AM

brook care to note by 1972 USN had QF-4B in service so your WRONG you
may forget bright orange dayglo overall coloured QF-4Bs were in use...
oh guess what same time period as single seater operational flights in
vietnam ... so there you go

just cause i dont make someone public over a issue makes the source a
lie.. so

using your logic George Bush WMD lies are honest then.... cause he didnt
show us the truth either.....or the sources...

Kevin Brooks wrote:
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in the
> > flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational flights
> > and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as people
> > anymore the pilots? They only a robot?
>
> Strawman, and not a very good one at that. The QF-4 has nothing to do with
> your alt-conspiracy-whacko ideas, JGG. The QF-4 was not flying during the
> period of your purported black operations in Vietnam, either.
>
> >
> > As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
> > with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
> > Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no crews
> > on board is wrong i think....
> >
> >
> > Other issue...
> >
> > My source is classified sorry :) my groundie is not willing to go "live
> > " at this time...
>
> BWAHAHA! "Classified", eh? Then just how in tarnation did you, a foreign
> national, and one no dobt lacking a clearance, find out about this "scoop"?
> Idiot.
>
> >
> > He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
> > agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity :), you know how cia
> > operations are at times.. shy for coverage...
>
> Oh, for cryin' out loud...do you *really* believe this crap? And they let
> you work on *ejection seats*? What are you, a test dummy?
>
> Brooks
>
> <snip futher irrational/delusional ramblings>

Kevin Brooks

May 4th 04, 04:44 AM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> brook care to note by 1972 USN had QF-4B in service so your WRONG you

They did not make the first QF-4 test flight until late 1971, so how do you
figure it was "in service" in 1972? And BTW, it may have escaped you, but
the QF-4 had all of its weapons systems removed--so how does that figure
into your strange paranoid fantasy of "black F-4's" conducting raids for the
CIA...?

> may forget bright orange dayglo overall coloured QF-4Bs were in use...
> oh guess what same time period as single seater operational flights in
> vietnam ... so there you go
>
> just cause i dont make someone public over a issue makes the source a
> lie.. so

Either you are lying or he is--and since your own track record was so bad
that you had to change your moniker from Jolly Green Giant to your current
nom de plume, it could easily go either way...

Do they make you wear a crash helmet when they use you to test those
ejection seats, or do they just figure they can't do much more serious
damage given your current state...?

Brooks

>
>
> using your logic George Bush WMD lies are honest then.... cause he didnt
> show us the truth either.....or the sources...
>
> Kevin Brooks wrote:
> >
> > "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Regarding QF-4s... you stated before that no crews were involved in
the
> > > flying at all.... then care to explain all the pilot operational
flights
> > > and etc with a LIVE HUMAN OPERATOR then? ...or dont they count as
people
> > > anymore the pilots? They only a robot?
> >
> > Strawman, and not a very good one at that. The QF-4 has nothing to do
with
> > your alt-conspiracy-whacko ideas, JGG. The QF-4 was not flying during
the
> > period of your purported black operations in Vietnam, either.
> >
> > >
> > > As we speak QF-4N at Pt Mugu have or soon are ending their operations
> > > with crews on board, QF-4E/Gs and QRF-4C fly still out of Tyndal and
> > > Holloman by the 82nd ATS sqn with LIVE crews.. so your talk of no
crews
> > > on board is wrong i think....
> > >
> > >
> > > Other issue...
> > >
> > > My source is classified sorry :) my groundie is not willing to go
"live
> > > " at this time...
> >
> > BWAHAHA! "Classified", eh? Then just how in tarnation did you, a foreign
> > national, and one no dobt lacking a clearance, find out about this
"scoop"?
> > Idiot.
> >
> > >
> > > He is willing to give me insights to his life of the old but i have
> > > agreed to keep him underwraps from advere publicity :), you know how
cia
> > > operations are at times.. shy for coverage...
> >
> > Oh, for cryin' out loud...do you *really* believe this crap? And they
let
> > you work on *ejection seats*? What are you, a test dummy?
> >
> > Brooks
> >
> > <snip futher irrational/delusional ramblings>

Simon Robbins

May 4th 04, 08:35 PM

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country running itself
> as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms so close to
> it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow Cuba.

Nah, he's heard about this place called "Gitmo" where there's widespread
violation of human rights and is determined to bring about regime change.
Any illegal combatants (known euphamistically as "guards" under the current
tin-pot, dictatorial regime) captured are to be flown to the Isle of Lucy
for "processing".

Si

Kevin Brooks

May 4th 04, 08:52 PM

"Simon Robbins" > wrote in message
...
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This time its Cuba and cause Bush cant handle a country running itself
> > as communist, denying free trade and mega $$ for US firms so close to
> > it.. he is planning to destablise and invade/ruin/overthrow Cuba.
>
> Nah, he's heard about this place called "Gitmo" where there's widespread
> violation of human rights and is determined to bring about regime change.
> Any illegal combatants (known euphamistically as "guards" under the
current
> tin-pot, dictatorial regime) captured are to be flown to the Isle of Lucy
> for "processing".

Ah, another poster who feels at home with the likes of the intellectual
capabilities and convoluted/delusional reasoning of JGG/Aerophotos...who'd
have thunk it?

Brooks

>
> Si
>
>

May 4th 04, 09:44 PM

> > tin-pot, dictatorial regime) captured are to be flown to the Isle of Lucy
> > for "processing".
>
> Ah, another poster who feels at home with the likes of the intellectual
> capabilities and convoluted/delusional reasoning of JGG/Aerophotos...who'd
> have thunk it?
>

You should dig a little deeper in to this wonderfull thing called "sarcasm"

J?R

Kevin Brooks

May 5th 04, 12:07 AM

"JR" > wrote in message
...
> > > tin-pot, dictatorial regime) captured are to be flown to the Isle of
Lucy
> > > for "processing".
> >
> > Ah, another poster who feels at home with the likes of the intellectual
> > capabilities and convoluted/delusional reasoning of
JGG/Aerophotos...who'd
> > have thunk it?
> >
>
> You should dig a little deeper in to this wonderfull thing called
"sarcasm"

And you might care to look at the *aim* of the sarcasm.

Brooks

>
> J?R
>
>

May 5th 04, 05:25 PM

> >
> > You should dig a little deeper in to this wonderfull thing called
> "sarcasm"
>
> And you might care to look at the *aim* of the sarcasm.
>

hmmzzzz..... right.............., lets continue in Dutch so I wont make another
cockup like this ;(

JR

Simon Robbins

May 5th 04, 10:21 PM

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
...
>
> And you might care to look at the *aim* of the sarcasm.

Does sarcasm have any other aim that to take a humourous juxtaposition?
I'd have thought the "Isle of Lucy" would've given it away to be honest..

Si

BUFDRVR

May 6th 04, 03:07 PM

> Modern Conservative: Someone who can defend
>Bush giving millions to Communist China to take
>apart our spy plane and traveling to Communist
>China to "expand trade opportunities" to claim
>that we need to boycott trade with Cuba because
>it is...communist.

No way did a lefty liberal type that! Pot-Kettle (perhaps the worst I've ever
seen).

BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

BUFDRVR

May 6th 04, 03:16 PM

>if YOU would enter my house with violent intentions, without a reason,
>just because you hate me,..
>
>.., i WOULD fight you with with any suitable options i could realize
>and i would KICK your damn sorry ass to the AREA51 studios.

Open up a history book (if you can read). The biggest exporter of communist
"terrorism" was and is Cuba. Cuban military forces have fought in guerilla wars
from Asia to Africa where they did everything you would expect from communist
guerillas. Don't make Cuba or Castro out to be some kind of inocent nation.
They're not.

BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"