GWB's piloting fun....

[David E. Powell]

http://www.drudgereport.com/rcmu.htm

Excerpt:

On the way to his infamous landing on an aircraft carrier, Bush toyed with
his Secret Service agent by intentionally shaking the plane from side to
side and then nosing downward so sharply they lifted out of their seats.


~~~!

[Aerophotos]

I wonder....did the Hoover keep on plummeting to the glossy blue or did
the "real" qualified Hoover driver wrestle the controls from Dubya who
didnt know left from right and climb from dive?..

What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
on..... that is a question one needs to ask.


__________________________________________________ ___________________

Note additionally, George Bush has done more in last 3 years to
encourage arabs n muslims to hate us in the West then anyone before
him......one hand bush is claiming to stop terrorism and other hand he
promotes it.. so what does he want????

Cant have it both ways now... Mr Bush himself is a terrorist leader..
his forces in Iraq are killing n wounding civil and innocent people
....just like his predcessor Johnson did in vietnam...

For those apologists who support bushs way... imagine if a country
attacked - say Brazil - the US and many innocents were killed..in street
fighting trying to escape a invading force...

you think anyone would care???.. i wouldnt... its in a area of the world
where there is oil...

if so you think anyone should??.. name a reason? they are only terrorist
scum if they are wounded...

Anyone killed or injured would only be labelled a terrorist supporter
....


Anyone notice similarities already? israel vs arabs, irish vs british
etc etc.... such as is the treatment civil iraqis are getting from the
US n allies at the moment... see when you reverse the situ there is no
difference at all...

Bush's latest song is as ...

1,2,3,4, We dont give a damn cause "insert a name of a future US
military person who will die...resulting from a combat death" ..gona
die in Iraq for my oily hands.... / cut to smiling dumb smut mug pose of
Bush....

Also discussing Dubya flying the F-102 in the early 70s....Bush did
leisure cruises over the Gulf of Florida..... shooting down drones such
as AGM-34s.

Real brave Mr Bush.... while "real men" flew in Vietnam with the ANG in
various roles, he hung his ass out to dry in the most safe seat he could
find... well that is until bush skipped the training and roll calls...
for political work..



"David E. Powell" wrote:
>
> http://www.drudgereport.com/rcmu.htm
>
> Excerpt:
>
> On the way to his infamous landing on an aircraft carrier, Bush toyed with
> his Secret Service agent by intentionally shaking the plane from side to
> side and then nosing downward so sharply they lifted out of their seats.
>
> ~~~!

--

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"David E. Powell" > wrote:

> http://www.drudgereport.com/rcmu.htm
>
> Excerpt:
>
> On the way to his infamous landing on an aircraft carrier, Bush toyed with
> his Secret Service agent by intentionally shaking the plane from side to
> side and then nosing downward so sharply they lifted out of their seats.
>
>
> ~~~!
>
>

Good for him! It's about time that the SS got some thrills from the
Pres. They have GOT to be the most uptight of all the federal
bearucracies!

It sounds as if he gave them a zero-G ride!

[Kevin Brooks]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> I wonder....did the Hoover keep on plummeting to the glossy blue or did
> the "real" qualified Hoover driver wrestle the controls from Dubya who
> didnt know left from right and climb from dive?..
>
> What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
> control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
> on..... that is a question one needs to ask.

An idiot like you may have to ask it, but others seem quite happy as is.
FYI, I can remember being rotated through the right seat of a C-123K and
being allowed to control it as a freakin' teenaged CAP cadet, along with a
bevy of other cadets; so stop acting as if you have discovered another
element of your great GWB Conspiracy Theory here.

Brooks

<snip further idiotic ranting from JGG>

[Pete]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> I wonder....did the Hoover keep on plummeting to the glossy blue or did
> the "real" qualified Hoover driver wrestle the controls from Dubya who
> didnt know left from right and climb from dive?..
>
> What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
> control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
> on..... that is a question one needs to ask.

Oh please...

Not much different than a standard incentive ride given to many military
personnel.

Pete

[Cub Driver]

>It sounds as if he gave them a zero-G ride!

So how many people were in that airplane, anyhow?

Must have been awfully crowded.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

[nafod40]

Aerophotos wrote:
> I wonder....did the Hoover keep on plummeting to the glossy blue or did
> the "real" qualified Hoover driver wrestle the controls from Dubya who
> didnt know left from right and climb from dive?..

I wonder about your wondering. Are you really that big of a left wing
stooge? Flying is so easy even you could do it.

> What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
> control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
> on..... that is a question one needs to ask.

Every day thousands of unqualified naval aviators take the controls of
airplanes, and even fly them solo. Go take a trip to Pensacola and watch
them fly over you all day long. It ain't that hard. He's a jet pilot. Do
your research.

[Ed Rasimus]

On Thu, 06 May 2004 10:32:46 +1000, Aerophotos >
wrote:

>I wonder....did the Hoover keep on plummeting to the glossy blue or did
>the "real" qualified Hoover driver wrestle the controls from Dubya who
>didnt know left from right and climb from dive?..
>
>What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
>control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
>on..... that is a question one needs to ask.
>

Have you overlooked the fact that George W. Bush is a rated USAF
pilot, graduate of USAF undergraduate pilot training and then
qualified in a single-seat, single-engine operational jet?

Setting any AF pilot in the right seat of a modern aircraft and giving
him/her control is no great stretch. Fiddling around and toying with
the IP is the most likely thing a fighter pilot will do, and is even
more likely when you've gone cross-service and the other guy is
quaking in his boots at the responsibility he's been given.

And, your aviation qualification?????


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Joe Delphi]

>
> What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
> control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
> on..... that is a question one needs to ask.
>

No its not a question one needs to ask. But here are two answers anyway:

1. He's the Commander In Chief.

2. He's a qualified and trained USAF pilot, so its not like he doesn't know
anything about aircraft.


JD

[George Z. Bush]

"Joe Delphi" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> >
> > What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
> > control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
> > on..... that is a question one needs to ask.
> >
>
> No its not a question one needs to ask. But here are two answers anyway:
>
> 1. He's the Commander In Chief.
>
> 2. He's a qualified and trained USAF pilot, so its not like he doesn't know
> anything about aircraft.

Just for the sake of accuracy, let's just concede that he WAS a
qualif............etc. instead of is. Spoken from experience, I guarantee that
you can get pretty damned rusty after 30+ years out of the saddle. (^-^)))

George Z.

[B2431]

>From: "George Z. Bush"

<snip>

>Just for the sake of accuracy, let's just concede that he WAS a
>qualif............etc. instead of is. Spoken from experience, I guarantee
>that
>you can get pretty damned rusty after 30+ years out of the saddle. (^-^)))
>
>George Z.

I have seen enlisted men in the right seat of KC-135s and C-130s in flight.
Flying right seat in calm weather with a qualified pilot in the left seat isn't
that hard. Having said that I have gotten slapped around in the boomer's
compartment when the right seater was flying so I guess the hard part is doing
it well.

In any event Bush was at one time a fully qualified interceptor pilot. I didn't
see anyone fuss when Clinton steered the big Navy boat. He can't claim to have
ever been qualified to do so. In both cases it was a courtesy extended to the
Commander in Chief.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Cub Driver]

>I wonder about your wondering. Are you really that big of a left wing
>stooge? Flying is so easy even you could do it.

Indeed it is, if you don't have to land the thang or take it into
combat.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

[Cub Driver]

>qualified in a single-seat, single-engine operational jet?

He also has a single- and multi-engine "commercial" rating from the
FAA. www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

[Ed Rasimus]

On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:28:50 -0400, Cub Driver
> wrote:

>
>>qualified in a single-seat, single-engine operational jet?
>
>He also has a single- and multi-engine "commercial" rating from the
>FAA. www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm

That's the "military competence" provision. If you receive a military
pilot rating, you can go down to the local FAA office and complete a
short exam on FARs. They give you a commercial rating single and
multi-engine (C/L thrust) and instrument rating. No check flights
required. If you can show a form five (or whatever the time log is
now) qualification in an airplane with separated engines they'll take
off the C/L limitation and even issue a type rating. I've got Convair
240/340/440 on mine since I was forced to checkout in the T-29.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[OXMORON1]

Ed wrote:
>I've got Convair
>240/340/440 on mine since I was forced to checkout in the T-29.

Ed,
Be thankful you got it the easy way. You could have gotten it on the old
Overland South, Mather-Tuolomne-Bakersfield-Kingman and back...6.1 hours
complete, three or four days a week!
You got to do it with the studly Wing wienies!

Rick

[John Keeney]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> >It sounds as if he gave them a zero-G ride!
>
> So how many people were in that airplane, anyhow?
>
> Must have been awfully crowded.

My memory of the stories at the time is three.
The pilot, the President and one secret service guy.

[CallsignZippo]

To bad George did not have the same fun dancing over downtown
Hanoi.Oops I forgot he was having fun defending the US of A from an
air attack from the Mexican Air Force. Well, I guess that's another
yarn for another day.

Well, I don't know about anyone else but I am sure as hell glad all
major combat operations are over in Iraq, I was worried we were going
to get in a real shooting war for a while.

More boots on the ole proverbial ground, hell we don;t need them, we
just have to hire some more private contractors, and the dead enders
and thugs will be gone in no time.

Lastly, after 911 the primary theatre of operations should have been
Afghanistan and the outlaw regions of Pakistan, not Iraq. Bin Laden
and his band of murders never (until recently) had a foothold in Iraq,
but they sure as hell, have one today, not only in Afghanistan but
Iraq as well.

How in the hell, do you invade and occupy the WRONG country.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

George Z. Bush wrote:
>
> Just for the sake of accuracy, let's just concede that he WAS a
> qualif............etc. instead of is. Spoken from experience, I guarantee
> that you can get pretty damned rusty after 30+ years out of the saddle.


I seem to recall a flight down to the Bahamas where I let an old USAF type
handle the controls for the first time in 20 years or more. Within just a
couple of minutes he was holding heading within 5 degrees and altitude within 50
feet. I will admit the resulting landing required getting the landing gear
serviced.

But straight and level flying? Must be like riding the proverbial bike...



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

[Charles Samardza]

By the standard your setting down in your first paragraph I guess the
SAC pilots sitting on their wheels around the world weren't serving
either.


(CallsignZippo) wrote in message >...
> To bad George did not have the same fun dancing over downtown
> Hanoi.Oops I forgot he was having fun defending the US of A from an
> air attack from the Mexican Air Force. Well, I guess that's another
> yarn for another day.
>
> Well, I don't know about anyone else but I am sure as hell glad all
> major combat operations are over in Iraq, I was worried we were going
> to get in a real shooting war for a while.
>
> More boots on the ole proverbial ground, hell we don;t need them, we
> just have to hire some more private contractors, and the dead enders
> and thugs will be gone in no time.
>
> Lastly, after 911 the primary theatre of operations should have been
> Afghanistan and the outlaw regions of Pakistan, not Iraq. Bin Laden
> and his band of murders never (until recently) had a foothold in Iraq,
> but they sure as hell, have one today, not only in Afghanistan but
> Iraq as well.
>
> How in the hell, do you invade and occupy the WRONG country.

[George Z. Bush]

"CallsignZippo" > wrote in message
om...
> To bad George did not have the same fun dancing over downtown
> Hanoi.Oops I forgot he was having fun defending the US of A from an
> air attack from the Mexican Air Force. Well, I guess that's another
> yarn for another day.
>
> Well, I don't know about anyone else but I am sure as hell glad all
> major combat operations are over in Iraq, I was worried we were going
> to get in a real shooting war for a while.
>
> More boots on the ole proverbial ground, hell we don;t need them, we
> just have to hire some more private contractors, and the dead enders
> and thugs will be gone in no time.
>
> Lastly, after 911 the primary theatre of operations should have been
> Afghanistan and the outlaw regions of Pakistan, not Iraq. Bin Laden
> and his band of murders never (until recently) had a foothold in Iraq,
> but they sure as hell, have one today, not only in Afghanistan but
> Iraq as well.
>
> How in the hell, do you invade and occupy the WRONG country.

It ain't easy!! (^-^)))

George Z.

[CallsignZippo]

(Charles Samardza) wrote in message >...
> By the standard your setting down in your first paragraph I guess the
> SAC pilots sitting on their wheels around the world weren't serving
> either.
>
>
When was SAC,MAC or TAC service ever a political appointment?

[miso]

The funny thing about military outsourcing is it is the only case I
know of where the outsourcing costs more than the in-house employees.
However, having the contractors do the beating and killing of
prisoners does give the US cover.

(CallsignZippo) wrote in message >...
> To bad George did not have the same fun dancing over downtown
> Hanoi.Oops I forgot he was having fun defending the US of A from an
> air attack from the Mexican Air Force. Well, I guess that's another
> yarn for another day.
>
> Well, I don't know about anyone else but I am sure as hell glad all
> major combat operations are over in Iraq, I was worried we were going
> to get in a real shooting war for a while.
>
> More boots on the ole proverbial ground, hell we don;t need them, we
> just have to hire some more private contractors, and the dead enders
> and thugs will be gone in no time.
>
> Lastly, after 911 the primary theatre of operations should have been
> Afghanistan and the outlaw regions of Pakistan, not Iraq. Bin Laden
> and his band of murders never (until recently) had a foothold in Iraq,
> but they sure as hell, have one today, not only in Afghanistan but
> Iraq as well.
>
> How in the hell, do you invade and occupy the WRONG country.

[Harry Andreas]

In article >,
(CallsignZippo) wrote:

> (Charles Samardza) wrote in message
>...
> > By the standard your setting down in your first paragraph I guess the
> > SAC pilots sitting on their wheels around the world weren't serving
> > either.
> >
> >
> When was SAC,MAC or TAC service ever a political appointment?

Who was >> appointed<< ?

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

[Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP]

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CallsignZippo" > wrote in message
> om...
> > To bad George did not have the same fun dancing over downtown
> > Hanoi.Oops I forgot he was having fun defending the US of A from an
> > air attack from the Mexican Air Force. Well, I guess that's another
> > yarn for another day.


> >
> > How in the hell, do you invade and occupy the WRONG country.
>
> It ain't easy!! (^-^)))

And it ain't the first time, either!

[Doug \Woody\ and Erin Beal]

On 5/6/04 7:56 AM, in article , "nafod40"
> wrote:

> Aerophotos wrote:
>> I wonder....did the Hoover keep on plummeting to the glossy blue or did
>> the "real" qualified Hoover driver wrestle the controls from Dubya who
>> didnt know left from right and climb from dive?..
>
> I wonder about your wondering. Are you really that big of a left wing
> stooge? Flying is so easy even you could do it.
>
>> What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
>> control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
>> on..... that is a question one needs to ask.
>
> Every day thousands of unqualified naval aviators take the controls of
> airplanes, and even fly them solo. Go take a trip to Pensacola and watch
> them fly over you all day long. It ain't that hard. He's a jet pilot. Do
> your research.
>

They're either "unqualified naval aviators" or STUDENT naval aviators. It's
all schematics.

--Woody

[Doug \Woody\ and Erin Beal]

On 5/6/04 8:47 AM, in article ,
"Ed Rasimus" > wrote:

> On Thu, 06 May 2004 10:32:46 +1000, Aerophotos >
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder....did the Hoover keep on plummeting to the glossy blue or did
>> the "real" qualified Hoover driver wrestle the controls from Dubya who
>> didnt know left from right and climb from dive?..
>>
>> What is a unqualified naval pilot such as Bush doing anyway at the
>> control of a naval aircraft ...furthermore... he isnt even qualified
>> on..... that is a question one needs to ask.
>>
>
> Have you overlooked the fact that George W. Bush is a rated USAF
> pilot, graduate of USAF undergraduate pilot training and then
> qualified in a single-seat, single-engine operational jet?
>
> Setting any AF pilot in the right seat of a modern aircraft and giving
> him/her control is no great stretch. Fiddling around and toying with
> the IP is the most likely thing a fighter pilot will do, and is even
> more likely when you've gone cross-service and the other guy is
> quaking in his boots at the responsibility he's been given.
>
> And, your aviation qualification?????
>

Well put, Ed. Frankly, I'll bet the maneuver did a lot to ease the tension
of that poor O-4 in the left seat. Might've even been the thing that turned
what looked like a sure bolter to that 4-on-the-fly pass.

Man, was I surprised when they trapped!

--Woody

[Bob McKellar]

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

> George Z. Bush wrote:
> >
> > Just for the sake of accuracy, let's just concede that he WAS a
> > qualif............etc. instead of is. Spoken from experience, I guarantee
> > that you can get pretty damned rusty after 30+ years out of the saddle.
>
> I seem to recall a flight down to the Bahamas where I let an old USAF type


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Anybody we know?


>
> handle the controls for the first time in 20 years or more. Within just a
> couple of minutes he was holding heading within 5 degrees and altitude within 50
> feet. I will admit the resulting landing required getting the landing gear
> serviced.
>
> But straight and level flying? Must be like riding the proverbial bike...
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
>
>
> http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

Bob McKellar

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Bob McKellar wrote:
>> I seem to recall a flight down to the Bahamas where I let an old USAF type
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Anybody we know?


'Twould be ungentlemanly of me to elaborate.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com