Really obscure X-1 question

[UmTutSut]

I'm currently working on a 1/72 Bell X-1, and I'd like to put it in a
vignette showing Yeager standing next to the plane just after landing
on the day of his first supersonic flight.

In one (maybe both) of his biographies, Yeager says he was met by the
Muroc fire chief, just like on every prior flight. My really obscure
question: what was the fire chief driving, and what color was the
vehicle?

I *think* I've seen a film clip of the X-1 being towed across the
lakebed by a vehicle bigger than a jeep but smaller than a typical
Army or Air Force truck. Maybe that's the one?

Mucho thanx for any help!

Les (Friendly Airplane Asylum flack)

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
(UmTutSut) writes:
> I'm currently working on a 1/72 Bell X-1, and I'd like to put it in a
> vignette showing Yeager standing next to the plane just after landing
> on the day of his first supersonic flight.
>
> In one (maybe both) of his biographies, Yeager says he was met by the
> Muroc fire chief, just like on every prior flight. My really obscure
> question: what was the fire chief driving, and what color was the
> vehicle?

I'll have to excavate my WW 2 Ordnance Manuals to figure out what
flavors of fire trucks could have been on hand. More tomorrow, if
possible.

>
> I *think* I've seen a film clip of the X-1 being towed across the
> lakebed by a vehicle bigger than a jeep but smaller than a typical
> Army or Air Force truck. Maybe that's the one?

The tow vehicle was usually a Dodge 3/4 Ton Truck. (Some folks called
'em Weapons Carriers) They're a pretty standard critter.
If it's an open cab, it's most likely a Military 3.4 ton. If it's a
hard, rounded cab, it's either a civilian Dodge Power Wagon or an
early 3/4 ton. (You'd be able to tell by the headlights.)

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[robert arndt]

(UmTutSut) wrote in message >...
> I'm currently working on a 1/72 Bell X-1, and I'd like to put it in a
> vignette showing Yeager standing next to the plane just after landing
> on the day of his first supersonic flight.
>
> In one (maybe both) of his biographies, Yeager says he was met by the
> Muroc fire chief, just like on every prior flight. My really obscure
> question: what was the fire chief driving, and what color was the
> vehicle?
>
> I *think* I've seen a film clip of the X-1 being towed across the
> lakebed by a vehicle bigger than a jeep but smaller than a typical
> Army or Air Force truck. Maybe that's the one?
>
> Mucho thanx for any help!
>
> Les (Friendly Airplane Asylum flack)

How about asking a really obscure question like, "how many OTHER
pilots broke Mach 1 before Yeager?" I'm betting he's down the list at
the number 4 or 5 position after the XF-86 test pilots, the 1946
Me-262 FE test pilots at Wright Field, and of course the real first
pilot- Luftwaffe pilot Hans Mutke flying "White 9" in April 1945 over
Innsbruck.

http://mach1.luftarchiv.de/weisse_9.htm

Rob

p.s. Junk that 1/72 X-1.

[Krztalizer]

>and of course the real first
>pilot- Luftwaffe pilot Hans Mutke flying "White 9" in April 1945 over
>Innsbruck.
>
>http://mach1.luftarchiv.de/weisse_9.htm

Utter and complete hogwash, Rob, and you know it. Mutke's modern claims of a
1945 mach-1 flight are roundly rebuked every time you haul them out. He never
made any such claim until long after the war and when he did, NO GERMAN RECORDS
SUPPORT HIM. On the day his friend was attacked and damaged over the field,
initiating his so called Mach 1 dive to the rescue, no "Weisse 9" was reported
as damaged by his unit, by any cause. Bär, the Old Schoolmaster, was famous
for washing out any pilot who screwed up an Me 262, yet Mutke gets a pass after
diving beyond the aircraft's critical mach, essentially trashing the jet?
Let's not forget that little problem of the incorrectly configured intakes on
the Jumo, which would abruptly cut off all airflow to the turbine at the moment
a shock wave passed over it.

Everytime I see you parade Mutke's BS, I ask if you have bothered to write him,
instead of just quoting that website. His claim does not stand close
examination and your determined use of him as your 'example' of a Mach 1 Me 262
is lame.

Now, bring up the Me 262 Pilot's Handbook from WPAFB, and we'll go over that
one more time as well.

Or you could simply try to grasp that Mutke's claims of an un-telemetered,
un-instrumented, un-recorded Mach 1 flight are un-proven, impractical, and
implausible.

Gordon
PS, I am the Me 262's biggest fan, but I don't attribute it with superpowers.
Neither should you.

[B2431]

>From: (Krztalizer)

>
>>and of course the real first
>>pilot- Luftwaffe pilot Hans Mutke flying "White 9" in April 1945 over
>>Innsbruck.
>>
>>http://mach1.luftarchiv.de/weisse_9.htm
>
>Utter and complete hogwash, Rob, and you know it. Mutke's modern claims of a
>1945 mach-1 flight are roundly rebuked every time you haul them out. He
>never
>made any such claim until long after the war and when he did, NO GERMAN
>RECORDS
>SUPPORT HIM. On the day his friend was attacked and damaged over the field,
>initiating his so called Mach 1 dive to the rescue, no "Weisse 9" was
>reported
>as damaged by his unit, by any cause. Bär, the Old Schoolmaster, was famous
>for washing out any pilot who screwed up an Me 262, yet Mutke gets a pass
>after
>diving beyond the aircraft's critical mach, essentially trashing the jet?
>Let's not forget that little problem of the incorrectly configured intakes on
>the Jumo, which would abruptly cut off all airflow to the turbine at the
>moment
>a shock wave passed over it.
>
>Everytime I see you parade Mutke's BS, I ask if you have bothered to write
>him,
>instead of just quoting that website. His claim does not stand close
>examination and your determined use of him as your 'example' of a Mach 1 Me
>262
>is lame.
>
>Now, bring up the Me 262 Pilot's Handbook from WPAFB, and we'll go over that
>one more time as well.
>
>Or you could simply try to grasp that Mutke's claims of an un-telemetered,
>un-instrumented, un-recorded Mach 1 flight are un-proven, impractical, and
>implausible.
>
>Gordon
>PS, I am the Me 262's biggest fan, but I don't attribute it with superpowers.
>
>Neither should you.

There are shorter ways of saying teuton is full of it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Krztalizer]

>
>>Neither should you.
>
>There are shorter ways of saying teuton is full of it.

But my lungs were full and I didn't want it to go to waste ;)

'sides, eventually, I will have a short tightly cropped response that covers
all of the reasons Arnt is wrong on Mutke - I have to keep practicing until I
can shoot it down in a single sentence.

G

[Alan Minyard]

On 8 May 2004 00:35:17 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

(UmTutSut) wrote in message >...
>> I'm currently working on a 1/72 Bell X-1, and I'd like to put it in a
>> vignette showing Yeager standing next to the plane just after landing
>> on the day of his first supersonic flight.
>>
>> In one (maybe both) of his biographies, Yeager says he was met by the
>> Muroc fire chief, just like on every prior flight. My really obscure
>> question: what was the fire chief driving, and what color was the
>> vehicle?
>>
>> I *think* I've seen a film clip of the X-1 being towed across the
>> lakebed by a vehicle bigger than a jeep but smaller than a typical
>> Army or Air Force truck. Maybe that's the one?
>>
>> Mucho thanx for any help!
>>
>> Les (Friendly Airplane Asylum flack)
>
>How about asking a really obscure question like, "how many OTHER
>pilots broke Mach 1 before Yeager?" I'm betting he's down the list at
>the number 4 or 5 position after the XF-86 test pilots, the 1946
>Me-262 FE test pilots at Wright Field, and of course the real first
>pilot- Luftwaffe pilot Hans Mutke flying "White 9" in April 1945 over
>Innsbruck.
>
>http://mach1.luftarchiv.de/weisse_9.htm
>
>Rob
>
>p.s. Junk that 1/72 X-1.

Yeager achieved Mach 1 in level flight, not in a dive. And if you
knew anything about aerodynamics you would know that a 262
would, in all probability, suffered an "explosive disassembly"
if it approached Mach.

The Nazis lost, get over it.

Al Minyard