Australian Army torture claims surface

[Aerophotos]

A interesting news story surfaced today .... it seems some Australian
Army personnel who think getting drunk and torturing things.... is fun..

It shows how reckless theses people are. Makes one wonder what would
they do if deployed overseas.......and were drunk????

Alcohol is NO EXCUSE for bad behavior.

I have worked with many victims of crimes in the past where alcohol was
involved resulting in many injuries/deaths.

Sexual assaults, rapes, murder and stupid actions occur way to often
from people drinking for "fun".

I also think these army personnel sentences are woeful. Shame on these
thugs for their actions for bringing down the honour and espirt de corp
of the military.

__________________________________________________ ___________________

"Six soldiers have pleaded guilty in a Townsville court to acts of
cruelty against a litter of kittens.

The Court heard the cruelty occurred at the Lavarack Base on April 10
this year and their actions were blamed on alcohol.

One of the kittens was dragged behind a motorcycle and then crushed
under the wheel of a four wheel drive. Three others were set alight.

Magistrate David Glasgow said the six soldiers from the 10th Force
Support Battalion had brought disgrace and dishonour to the Army and
fined them $2,000 each.

They will also perform 100 hours voluntary work at the RSPCA.

Two of the soldiers also had their drivers licences suspended for six
months.

Mr Glasgow did not record a conviction against the soldiers, noting that
many in the community may not think the decision is strong enough.
The soldiers' defence counsel told the court alcohol
was the cause of many regrettable acts within the armed forces.

Representing five of the six soldiers, Boris Kleiner said
from his experience both as a former reservist and
member of the regular Australian Army, that alcohol-fuelled acts of
bravado and stupidity were part of the armed forces."

[Kevin]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> A interesting news story surfaced today .... it seems some Australian
> Army personnel who think getting drunk and torturing things.... is fun..
>
> It shows how reckless theses people are. Makes one wonder what would
> they do if deployed overseas.......and were drunk????
>
> Alcohol is NO EXCUSE for bad behavior.
>
> I have worked with many victims of crimes in the past where alcohol was
> involved resulting in many injuries/deaths.
>
> Sexual assaults, rapes, murder and stupid actions occur way to often
> from people drinking for "fun".
>
> I also think these army personnel sentences are woeful. Shame on these
> thugs for their actions for bringing down the honour and espirt de corp
> of the military.
>
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
> "Six soldiers have pleaded guilty in a Townsville court to acts of
> cruelty against a litter of kittens.
>
> The Court heard the cruelty occurred at the Lavarack Base on April 10
> this year and their actions were blamed on alcohol.
>
> One of the kittens was dragged behind a motorcycle and then crushed
> under the wheel of a four wheel drive. Three others were set alight.

what a discrace. they should be charged for murder. fear dinkum. imagine
being those cats? maybe someone should do the same to them, see how they
like it

>
> Magistrate David Glasgow said the six soldiers from the 10th Force
> Support Battalion had brought disgrace and dishonour to the Army and
> fined them $2,000 each.
>
> They will also perform 100 hours voluntary work at the RSPCA.
>
> Two of the soldiers also had their drivers licences suspended for six
> months.
>
> Mr Glasgow did not record a conviction against the soldiers, noting that
> many in the community may not think the decision is strong enough.
> The soldiers' defence counsel told the court alcohol
> was the cause of many regrettable acts within the armed forces.
>
> Representing five of the six soldiers, Boris Kleiner said
> from his experience both as a former reservist and
> member of the regular Australian Army, that alcohol-fuelled acts of
> bravado and stupidity were part of the armed forces."

[Aerophotos]

The offenders were reported and named as

Ben Charles David Lightbody, 21,
Brett Michael Henry Neville, 26,
Casey Mitchell Parker, 21,
Geoffrey Martin Symonds, 20,
Darryl Stephen Llewellin, 26, and
Christopher James Murray, 19.

All are up for further charges and discipline by the unit's commander.

further details of their savage sick assault includes..

"Sergeant Paul Breitkreutz of Stuart police said the soldiers tied a
rope around one kitten's neck then dragged it along a bitumen road.
He said the kitten survived that but was then placed behind the
rear wheel of a vehicle.
When the vehicle's handbrake was released, it rolled back and crushed
the kitten to death.

The three other kittens were then thrown one by one onto the road, where
fuel was poured over them and they were set alight, Sgt Breitkreutz
said."

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Are these the act of drunk people one would ask?, i surely doubt it.
They are more the acts of barbaric people in full control of their
minds. They seem to use the defence of "alcohol" as a escape route in
court.




Kevin wrote:
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > A interesting news story surfaced today .... it seems some Australian
> > Army personnel who think getting drunk and torturing things.... is fun..
> >
> > It shows how reckless theses people are. Makes one wonder what would
> > they do if deployed overseas.......and were drunk????
> >
> > Alcohol is NO EXCUSE for bad behavior.
> >
> > I have worked with many victims of crimes in the past where alcohol was
> > involved resulting in many injuries/deaths.
> >
> > Sexual assaults, rapes, murder and stupid actions occur way to often
> > from people drinking for "fun".
> >
> > I also think these army personnel sentences are woeful. Shame on these
> > thugs for their actions for bringing down the honour and espirt de corp
> > of the military.
> >
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> >
> > "Six soldiers have pleaded guilty in a Townsville court to acts of
> > cruelty against a litter of kittens.
> >
> > The Court heard the cruelty occurred at the Lavarack Base on April 10
> > this year and their actions were blamed on alcohol.
> >
> > One of the kittens was dragged behind a motorcycle and then crushed
> > under the wheel of a four wheel drive. Three others were set alight.
>
> what a discrace. they should be charged for murder. fear dinkum. imagine
> being those cats? maybe someone should do the same to them, see how they
> like it
>
> >
> > Magistrate David Glasgow said the six soldiers from the 10th Force
> > Support Battalion had brought disgrace and dishonour to the Army and
> > fined them $2,000 each.
> >
> > They will also perform 100 hours voluntary work at the RSPCA.
> >
> > Two of the soldiers also had their drivers licences suspended for six
> > months.
> >
> > Mr Glasgow did not record a conviction against the soldiers, noting that
> > many in the community may not think the decision is strong enough.
> > The soldiers' defence counsel told the court alcohol
> > was the cause of many regrettable acts within the armed forces.
> >
> > Representing five of the six soldiers, Boris Kleiner said
> > from his experience both as a former reservist and
> > member of the regular Australian Army, that alcohol-fuelled acts of
> > bravado and stupidity were part of the armed forces."

[Keith Willshaw]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> A interesting news story surfaced today .... it seems some Australian
> Army personnel who think getting drunk and torturing things.... is fun..
>

What the f*** has this to do with aviation other
than proving you are as high as a kite ?

Keith

[Pits]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> A interesting news story surfaced today ....
Dreadful stuff snipped.
However, **** for brains aerophotos! Apologies
to members of aviation groups for this post.

By what perverse logic did you choose to post this
'news' to AVIATION groups ?

Considering the court case and other matters on other defence related
groups
where you are considered and known to be a serial pest
and sick puppy by various ISP;s and Members in DEFENCE related groups.

Which are possibly more appropriate discussion topic in such forums .
Also you posted to a binary group ? Again why ?

Would this be because most have kill filed you for the
last 3 years ?

Aerophotos JGG Rod David and all the other personae you
think fools folks. Your an oxygen thief --and full tilt loon.

This is not even a troll as being so well known
only the various nemesii reply to you.

[Aerophotos]

Hello my "Nemsis",

Rather _importantly_ I didnt see you condoning the australian army
people actions in abusing and killing the cats either.... in the rude
reply you posted ...

So I ask do you like animals been killed? .... because your ignorant
reply seems to miss any mention....


-----------------------

Regarding your abuse of me ... really PIT_ifully .. it really is...

Coming from someone who uses fake email addies? ... please when you
learn to be a REAL man then come and debate online, otherwise stay on
the side as a ignored troll.

Furthermore if your going to abuse me and others forum posters, please
ensure your facts are _correct_ and _verified_ before you type such
gobblegook online and sprout such farfetched allergations.

You know very well PITS your actions only put yourself and many others
posters in very _low regard_ in the minds of the community as a whole..

Also i suggest your wordings doesnt do you any good in a court of law
either. Harassment and abuse doesnt get received well in courts by
anyone.

Your half guessed and very wrong statements are really showing thru how
desperate your are at trying to tear down the debate.

You are trying to demoralise the opposition and it doesnt work.
Much like current actions in Iraq ...it only hardens their resolve....
doesnt reduce it.

Life is boring been stuck in Kalgoolie ...i can tell by your
replies....they are full of angry, wild and childish rants.

Furthermore if YOU dont like my forum posts or topic or news stories
IGNORE me like i kill filed you before in past..

cmon silly PITS use a filter or is it that hard for you? oh and maybe
get a real email addy ..

Goodbye :)

Pits wrote:

snipped usual drivel of a old man lost in the bush....
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > A interesting news story surfaced today ....

[Thomas J. Paladino Jr.]

> Seems then yanks and poms are one up on the Aussies.
> They use human's...............
>

This seems a bit worse somehow.

>
>
> "Kevin" > wrote in message
> u...
> >
> > "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > A interesting news story surfaced today .... it seems some Australian
> > > Army personnel who think getting drunk and torturing things.... is
fun..
> > >
> > > It shows how reckless theses people are. Makes one wonder what would
> > > they do if deployed overseas.......and were drunk????
> > >
> > > Alcohol is NO EXCUSE for bad behavior.
> > >
> > > I have worked with many victims of crimes in the past where alcohol
was
> > > involved resulting in many injuries/deaths.
> > >
> > > Sexual assaults, rapes, murder and stupid actions occur way to often
> > > from people drinking for "fun".
> > >
> > > I also think these army personnel sentences are woeful. Shame on these
> > > thugs for their actions for bringing down the honour and espirt de
corp
> > > of the military.
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > >
> > > "Six soldiers have pleaded guilty in a Townsville court to acts of
> > > cruelty against a litter of kittens.
> > >
> > > The Court heard the cruelty occurred at the Lavarack Base on April 10
> > > this year and their actions were blamed on alcohol.
> > >
> > > One of the kittens was dragged behind a motorcycle and then crushed
> > > under the wheel of a four wheel drive. Three others were set alight.
> >
> > what a discrace. they should be charged for murder. fear dinkum. imagine
> > being those cats? maybe someone should do the same to them, see how they
> > like it
> >
> > >
> > > Magistrate David Glasgow said the six soldiers from the 10th Force
> > > Support Battalion had brought disgrace and dishonour to the Army and
> > > fined them $2,000 each.
> > >
> > > They will also perform 100 hours voluntary work at the RSPCA.
> > >
> > > Two of the soldiers also had their drivers licences suspended for six
> > > months.
> > >
> > > Mr Glasgow did not record a conviction against the soldiers, noting
that
> > > many in the community may not think the decision is strong enough.
> > > The soldiers' defence counsel told the court alcohol
> > > was the cause of many regrettable acts within the armed forces.
> > >
> > > Representing five of the six soldiers, Boris Kleiner said
> > > from his experience both as a former reservist and
> > > member of the regular Australian Army, that alcohol-fuelled acts of
> > > bravado and stupidity were part of the armed forces."
> >
> >
>
>

[Keith Willshaw]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
> Hello my "Nemsis",
>

Thats Nemesis

> Rather _importantly_ I didnt see you condoning the australian army
> people actions in abusing and killing the cats either.... in the rude
> reply you posted ...
>

Try looking up what condone means

> So I ask do you like animals been killed? .... because your ignorant
> reply seems to miss any mention....
>

You calling someone else ignorant !

ROFLMAO

Keith

[Paulco]

F*ck off hippy.
Regards
Paul


On Mon, 10 May 2004 19:16:38 +1000, Aerophotos >
wrote:

>Hello my "Nemsis",
>
>Rather _importantly_ I didnt see you condoning the australian army
>people actions in abusing and killing the cats either.... in the rude
>reply you posted ...
>
>So I ask do you like animals been killed? .... because your ignorant
>reply seems to miss any mention....
>
>
>-----------------------
>
>Regarding your abuse of me ... really PIT_ifully .. it really is...
>
>Coming from someone who uses fake email addies? ... please when you
>learn to be a REAL man then come and debate online, otherwise stay on
>the side as a ignored troll.
>
>Furthermore if your going to abuse me and others forum posters, please
>ensure your facts are _correct_ and _verified_ before you type such
>gobblegook online and sprout such farfetched allergations.
>
>You know very well PITS your actions only put yourself and many others
>posters in very _low regard_ in the minds of the community as a whole..
>
>Also i suggest your wordings doesnt do you any good in a court of law
>either. Harassment and abuse doesnt get received well in courts by
>anyone.
>
>Your half guessed and very wrong statements are really showing thru how
>desperate your are at trying to tear down the debate.
>
>You are trying to demoralise the opposition and it doesnt work.
>Much like current actions in Iraq ...it only hardens their resolve....
>doesnt reduce it.
>
>Life is boring been stuck in Kalgoolie ...i can tell by your
>replies....they are full of angry, wild and childish rants.
>
>Furthermore if YOU dont like my forum posts or topic or news stories
>IGNORE me like i kill filed you before in past..
>
>cmon silly PITS use a filter or is it that hard for you? oh and maybe
>get a real email addy ..
>
>Goodbye :)
>
>Pits wrote:
>
>snipped usual drivel of a old man lost in the bush....
>>
>> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > A interesting news story surfaced today ....



Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western Australia

[Dave Kearton]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...
| Hello my "Nemsis",
|
| Rather _importantly_ I didnt see you condoning the australian army
| people actions in abusing and killing the cats either.... in the rude
| reply you posted ...
|
| So I ask do you like animals been killed? .... because your ignorant
| reply seems to miss any mention....
|



Oh give us a break Jolly, you're doing exactly the same thing of which you
are accusing Phil.


Your posts are seldom on topic, seldom make sense and frequently full of
what ever half arsed political theory that you're trying to force on the
rest of the group.



What is wrong with you, that you keep coming back with political crap where
it's not wanted and you get abused for ?


Do you like the attention it brings ? Is that all you get in life, the
abuse from others, don't you get any respect or friendship from your peers


You'll also notice that I'm ignoring your original post, as I ignore most
of yours.



Cheers


Dave Kearton

[Ted Harrison]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message ...


> farfetched allergations.


.... enough to make a man break out in a rash!

<GRIN>

[Kevin Brooks]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > A interesting news story surfaced today .... it seems some Australian
> > Army personnel who think getting drunk and torturing things.... is fun..
> >
>
> What the f*** has this to do with aviation other
> than proving you are as high as a kite ?

LOL! I suspect that your irony is somehow wasted, though, Keith--JGG won't
be able to figure out the connection to his earlier balther.

Brooks

>
> Keith
>
>

[Sunny]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
Coming from someone who uses fake email addies? ... please when you
learn to be a REAL man then come and debate online, otherwise stay on
the side as a ignored troll.

Bit rich, coming from a dickhead like you ?

[Steve]

Seems then yanks and poms are one up on the Aussies.
They use human's...............



"Kevin" > wrote in message
u...
>
> "Aerophotos" > wrote in message
> ...
> > A interesting news story surfaced today .... it seems some Australian
> > Army personnel who think getting drunk and torturing things.... is fun..
> >
> > It shows how reckless theses people are. Makes one wonder what would
> > they do if deployed overseas.......and were drunk????
> >
> > Alcohol is NO EXCUSE for bad behavior.
> >
> > I have worked with many victims of crimes in the past where alcohol was
> > involved resulting in many injuries/deaths.
> >
> > Sexual assaults, rapes, murder and stupid actions occur way to often
> > from people drinking for "fun".
> >
> > I also think these army personnel sentences are woeful. Shame on these
> > thugs for their actions for bringing down the honour and espirt de corp
> > of the military.
> >
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> >
> > "Six soldiers have pleaded guilty in a Townsville court to acts of
> > cruelty against a litter of kittens.
> >
> > The Court heard the cruelty occurred at the Lavarack Base on April 10
> > this year and their actions were blamed on alcohol.
> >
> > One of the kittens was dragged behind a motorcycle and then crushed
> > under the wheel of a four wheel drive. Three others were set alight.
>
> what a discrace. they should be charged for murder. fear dinkum. imagine
> being those cats? maybe someone should do the same to them, see how they
> like it
>
> >
> > Magistrate David Glasgow said the six soldiers from the 10th Force
> > Support Battalion had brought disgrace and dishonour to the Army and
> > fined them $2,000 each.
> >
> > They will also perform 100 hours voluntary work at the RSPCA.
> >
> > Two of the soldiers also had their drivers licences suspended for six
> > months.
> >
> > Mr Glasgow did not record a conviction against the soldiers, noting that
> > many in the community may not think the decision is strong enough.
> > The soldiers' defence counsel told the court alcohol
> > was the cause of many regrettable acts within the armed forces.
> >
> > Representing five of the six soldiers, Boris Kleiner said
> > from his experience both as a former reservist and
> > member of the regular Australian Army, that alcohol-fuelled acts of
> > bravado and stupidity were part of the armed forces."
>
>

[Scott Hillard]

"Aerophotos" > wrote in message
...

> "Six soldiers have pleaded guilty in a Townsville court to acts of
> cruelty against a litter of kittens.

Your tax dollars at work.

This is what comes of having a military establishment that isn't held
accountable for much of anything - particularly how it spends the taxpayer's
hard-earned.


Sack the lot of the swine.

[Scott Hillard]

"Steve" > wrote in message
. au...
> Seems then yanks and poms are one up on the Aussies.
> They use human's...............
^^^^^^



Debatable.

[PLMerite]

"Scott Hillard" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steve" > wrote in message
> . au...
> > Seems then yanks and poms are one up on the Aussies.
> > They use human's...............
> ^^^^^^
>
>
>
> Debatable.


Yeah, I wonder what kind of information they were trying to get out of the
kittens.


Regards, PLMerite