Who de-activated ground-air missiles on 9-11?

[Laura Bush murdered her boy friend]

The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
automatically shot down with missiles

Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
beat the correct code out of him.

Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
the hijackers the code before-hand.

[lysdexic]

This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you had no
credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this and
regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.


<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
> The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> automatically shot down with missiles
>
> Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
> of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
> the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> beat the correct code out of him.
>
> Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> the hijackers the code before-hand.

[james]

In article >,
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> wrote:

Inflammatory "name" tends to discredit you before the first word of your
message.

>The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system.

Is it?

>When a plane
>enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
>message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
>to enter the space.

If you say so. What is your source for this information?

>If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
>automatically shot down with missiles

Right.

>Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
>of Flight 77 give them the code.

Maybe they would, if it were true.

>But surely he would have given them
>the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
>beat the correct code out of him.

You've drawn an unsupportable conclusion from a weak premise.

>Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
>the hijackers the code before-hand.

Either... or... or maybe your entire argument is flawed?

How do you know about this automatic Pentagon missile system?

[B2431]

>From: "lysdexic"

>This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you had no
>credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this and
>regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.

This fool gets his jollies making things like this up. I wouldn't be the least
bit surprised he types one handed while making this stuff up and watching
people's reactions.

Best to kill file the fool.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Laura Bush murdered her boy friend]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
wrote:

>This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you had no
>credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this and
>regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
>
>

Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?

[[email protected]]

B2431 > wrote:

> Best to kill file the fool.

I don't know about anyone else, but I killfile anything that
is crossposted to 3 or more groups, so I didn't see this
thread at all until you stripped out the other groups from
the headers.

In general I have found anything crossposted to 3 groups or
more is useless drivel of one sort or another. Crossposting
to 2 groups is usually on topic and relevant.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

[Daniel]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> wrote:
>
> >This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you had
no
> >credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this
and
> >regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
> >
> >
>
> Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?

how do you expect anyone to address the issue when you cannot even address
his question as to whether or not you made it up?

[Matti Partonen]

"james" > wrote in message
news:ErQnc.26228$fE.18444@fed1read02...
> In article >,
> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> wrote:
>
> Inflammatory "name" tends to discredit you before the first word of your
> message.
>
> >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system.
>
> Is it?
>
> >When a plane
> >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> >to enter the space.
>
> If you say so. What is your source for this information?
>
> >If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> >automatically shot down with missiles
>
> Right.
>
> >Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
> >of Flight 77 give them the code.
>
> Maybe they would, if it were true.
>
> >But surely he would have given them
> >the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> >beat the correct code out of him.
>
> You've drawn an unsupportable conclusion from a weak premise.
>
> >Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> >the hijackers the code before-hand.
>
> Either... or... or maybe your entire argument is flawed?
>
> How do you know about this automatic Pentagon missile system?

Surely all these issues have been addressed by the investigators of 9/11,
and can be read from their final report.
Anybody seen that report? In the net? I certainly would like to see it, the
"official" official story.

Yes, one would expect Pentagon to be one of the best protected targets in
the whole US. But US military history does not necessarily bear this out.
For some interesting reading, you might wish to peek at the following links,
and look for "C3 legacy". Here is one quote:

--- begin quote
MIT had recommended that the SAGE computer facilities be located remotely,
away from both cities and military bases, so that they would not be bonus
targets in the event of an attack. When the Air Defense Command was
called upon to select SAGE sites, however, they realized that their people
would not enjoy being assigned to the boondocks, so they decided to put
the SAGE centers at military bases instead.

Following up on that choice, the Air Defense Command looked for military
bases with the best facilities, especially good O-clubs. Sure enough, SAC
had the best facilities around, so they put many of the SAGE sites on SAC
bases. Given that SAC bases would be prime targets in any manned bomber
attack, the SAGE centers thus became bonus targets that would be destroyed
without extra effort. Thus the peacetime lifestyle interests of the
military were put ahead of their defense responsibilities.
--- end quote

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.60.html
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.65.html
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.67.html
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.74.html
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.80.html
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.97.html

Matti P.

[EagleEye]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
> The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> automatically shot down with missiles
>
> Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
> of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
> the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> beat the correct code out of him.
>
> Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> the hijackers the code before-hand.

You mean Hani Hanjour, the Arab who couldn't even fly a Cesna solo, who is
purported to have spun that Boeing down from cruising altitude, in order to
skim an overpass, clip a couple of lampposts, and then slam it into the FAR
side of the Pantagon - that hijacker you mean?

[Daniel]

"z" > wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>
> "Daniel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you
> had
> > no
> > > >credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like
this
> > and
> > > >regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
> >
> > how do you expect anyone to address the issue when you cannot even
address
> > his question as to whether or not you made it up?
> >
> >
>
> Refute or go back to your schoolwork.
>
>

ok, i hereby declare you refuted. have a nice day.


--
Gee willikers, it must be obvious day at Camp Stupid. ($1 to Master Shake)

www.spiritofamerica.net

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, Laura Bush
murdered her boy friend > writes
>The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
>enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
>message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
>to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
>automatically shot down with missiles

Actually, if the aircraft doesn't identify itself, it's snatched away by
tractor beams from Planet Zort.


Out of interest, where would these supposed missiles be fired from? And
where are their fire-control radars?

I greatly enjoyed a stay in the Doubletree Arlington a few years ago,
and my tenth-floor window looked out with a marvellous panorama across
DC: the Pentagon on the left, National / Reagan on the right, the
National Mall in the middle, and not a SAM radar nor launcher to be seen
in between.

So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
the wreckage of their kills land?)

(I know, I know, no fair getting into a battle of wits with the
unarmed...)
--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
"Matti Partonen" > writes:
>
> "james" > wrote in message
> news:ErQnc.26228$fE.18444@fed1read02...
>> In article >,
>> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> wrote:
>>
>> Inflammatory "name" tends to discredit you before the first word of your
>> message.
>>
>> >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system.
>>
>> Is it?
>>
>> >When a plane
>> >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
>> >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
>> >to enter the space.
>>
>> If you say so. What is your source for this information?
>>
>> >If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
>> >automatically shot down with missiles
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> >Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
>> >of Flight 77 give them the code.
>>
>> Maybe they would, if it were true.
>>
>> >But surely he would have given them
>> >the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
>> >beat the correct code out of him.
>>
>> You've drawn an unsupportable conclusion from a weak premise.
>>
>> >Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
>> >the hijackers the code before-hand.
>>
>> Either... or... or maybe your entire argument is flawed?
>>
>> How do you know about this automatic Pentagon missile system?
>
> Surely all these issues have been addressed by the investigators of 9/11,
> and can be read from their final report.
> Anybody seen that report? In the net? I certainly would like to see it, the
> "official" official story.
>
> Yes, one would expect Pentagon to be one of the best protected targets in
> the whole US. But US military history does not necessarily bear this out.
> For some interesting reading, you might wish to peek at the following links,
> and look for "C3 legacy". Here is one quote:
>
> --- begin quote
> MIT had recommended that the SAGE computer facilities be located remotely,
> away from both cities and military bases, so that they would not be bonus
> targets in the event of an attack. When the Air Defense Command was
> called upon to select SAGE sites, however, they realized that their people
> would not enjoy being assigned to the boondocks, so they decided to put
> the SAGE centers at military bases instead.
>
> Following up on that choice, the Air Defense Command looked for military
> bases with the best facilities, especially good O-clubs. Sure enough, SAC
> had the best facilities around, so they put many of the SAGE sites on SAC
> bases. Given that SAC bases would be prime targets in any manned bomber
> attack, the SAGE centers thus became bonus targets that would be destroyed
> without extra effort. Thus the peacetime lifestyle interests of the
> military were put ahead of their defense responsibilities.
> --- end quote
>
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.60.html
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.65.html
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.67.html
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.74.html
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.80.html
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/9.97.html

You've never been to Minot, or Grand Forks, or Loring AFBs, have you?
(My Wife was born in Caribou. That'll show you the lengths that people
will go to to escape that region :))

Or, for that matter, from back in hte Olde Days, Sidi Slimane, Ernest
Harmon, Thule, Narssessauq, or 1950s Dharan.

One thing that was realized fairly early on wrt SAGE Center siting was
that if the bombs are actually falling, they've pretty much become
irrelevant. What was more important was the ability to track incoming
Soviet Bombers hours before they reached any worthwhile
target. (Contiguous Radar Coverage in the 1950s started at the
Mid-Canada Line (Roughly at the latitude of teh Southern edge of
Hudson's Bay (And therefore, covering the Southern half of Canada
(Saved changing the name). Bombers with the performance of the Bison
and Bear would then be tracked for up to 2 hours before reaching the
population centers of either Canada or the U.S. I wouldn't have
wanted to be a Soviet Long Range Aviation crewman, that's for certain.

The construction of the DEW Line, Mid-Canada Line, and Pine Tree Line
has to rank as one of the greatest Engineering Achievments of modern
times. There are few spots on the globe as remote or difficult to
build and work in.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[BUFDRVR]

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:

>The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
>enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
>message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
>to enter the space.

On what planet do they also have a building called the Pentagon? Or is this
still earth just in a different dimension?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

Matti Partonen wrote:

>Yes, one would expect Pentagon to be one of the best protected targets in
>the whole US

It was protected as well as anyones office or home (excluding the White House),
by two large oceans.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Krztalizer]

>
>Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
>the hijackers the code before-hand.

or you are an idiot

[Steven P. McNicoll]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
>
> The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends > a
message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> automatically shot down with missiles
>

What would the pilot punch the code into?


>
> Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded
> the pilot of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would
> have given them the wrong code and there would be no time to
> retrun to the pilot and beat the correct code out of him.
>

Why would the pilot have the code? Do all pilots have this code?

[Steven P. McNicoll]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
>
> Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
>

What issue?

[Kevin Brooks]

"z" > wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>
> "Daniel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you
> had
> > no
> > > >credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like
this
> > and
> > > >regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
> >
> > how do you expect anyone to address the issue when you cannot even
address
> > his question as to whether or not you made it up?
> >
> >
>
> Refute or go back to your schoolwork.

You want refutation? OK, how's about the *fact* that the US dismantled its
last fixed SAM systems guarding the continental US back in the 1970's? "With
the exception of batteries in Alaska and Florida that stayed active until
the late 1970s, by 1975 all Nike Hercules sites had been deactivated."
(source: www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/airdef/nike-hercules.htm )

After 9-11 the US Army deployed Avenger and (IIRC) Patriot units into the
D.C. area to protect high-value targets, but before 9-11 the only SAM
umbrella in the entire area would have been the RIM-92 Stinger MANPADS that
the Secret Service allegedly (not verified AFAIK) had on-hand to protect the
White House from close-in airborne threats.

What unit operated these mythical SAM's that were supposed to be protecting
the Pentagon, and what kind of system has this mysterious key that was
allegedly missing? Hint--none. Why? Because it is all a figment of the
imagination of a somewhat warped poster who needs to replenish his tinfoil
supply, 'cause those mind-rays are apparently affecting him...

Brooks

>
>

[Jim Knoyle]

"Paul J. Adam" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, Laura Bush
> murdered her boy friend > writes
> >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> >to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> >automatically shot down with missiles
>
> Actually, if the aircraft doesn't identify itself, it's snatched away by
> tractor beams from Planet Zort.
>
>
> Out of interest, where would these supposed missiles be fired from? And
> where are their fire-control radars?
>
> I greatly enjoyed a stay in the Doubletree Arlington a few years ago,
> and my tenth-floor window looked out with a marvellous panorama across
> DC: the Pentagon on the left, National / Reagan on the right, the
> National Mall in the middle, and not a SAM radar nor launcher to be seen
> in between.
>
> So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
> the wreckage of their kills land?)
>
Hey, Paul, years ago they used to let us go up to the top of
the Washington Monument. I have several photos that I took
from those little windows. Could it be that they don't let visitors
climb to the top anymore because they would see the missles?


> (I know, I know, no fair getting into a battle of wits with the
> unarmed...)
>

Oh, but it's so much fun! :-)

JK

[Cory Bhreckan]

Daniel wrote:
>
> "z" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Daniel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you
> > had
> > > no
> > > > >credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like
> this
> > > and
> > > > >regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
> > >
> > > how do you expect anyone to address the issue when you cannot even
> address
> > > his question as to whether or not you made it up?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Refute or go back to your schoolwork.
> >
> >
>
> ok, i hereby declare you refuted. have a nice day.

Then you lose.

Have a nice day, loser.

>
> --
> Gee willikers, it must be obvious day at Camp Stupid. ($1 to Master Shake)
>
> www.spiritofamerica.net

[Kevin Brooks]

"Jim Knoyle" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul J. Adam" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In message >, Laura Bush
> > murdered her boy friend > writes
> > >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> > >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> > >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> > >to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> > >automatically shot down with missiles
> >
> > Actually, if the aircraft doesn't identify itself, it's snatched away by
> > tractor beams from Planet Zort.
> >
> >
> > Out of interest, where would these supposed missiles be fired from? And
> > where are their fire-control radars?
> >
> > I greatly enjoyed a stay in the Doubletree Arlington a few years ago,
> > and my tenth-floor window looked out with a marvellous panorama across
> > DC: the Pentagon on the left, National / Reagan on the right, the
> > National Mall in the middle, and not a SAM radar nor launcher to be seen
> > in between.
> >
> > So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
> > the wreckage of their kills land?)
> >
> Hey, Paul, years ago they used to let us go up to the top of
> the Washington Monument. I have several photos that I took
> from those little windows. Could it be that they don't let visitors
> climb to the top anymore because they would see the missles?

No, no, no! That is the *decoy* missile site, silly. The real missiles are
esconced in the "Metro Station" (wink-wink) at Pentagon City, with Paul's
radars (flat panel synthetics, of course) being embedded in the panels of
The Wall... all controlled by a kid standing in a "video arcade" (wink-wink)
at Tysons Mall that is *really* a state-of-the-art missile control center
(and you probably thought he was playing "Space Invaders" or something,
right?). I know this is all true, 'cause you can read about it on the
internet....

Brooks

>
>
> > (I know, I know, no fair getting into a battle of wits with the
> > unarmed...)
> >
>
> Oh, but it's so much fun! :-)
>
> JK
>
>

[David Hartung]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
> The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> automatically shot down with missiles
>
> Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
> of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
> the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> beat the correct code out of him.
>
> Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> the hijackers the code before-hand.

Your source for this interesting idea?

[Dave Holford]

> > >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> > >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> > >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> > >to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> > >automatically shot down with missiles
> >


Have you tried to give any semi-serious thought to this?

How would the computer send a message to the plane? Does it broadcast
this on all possible aviation frequencies simultaneously - that would be
a feat, even for military systems; especially if the pilot happened to
be transmitting at the time the message was sent. Or maybe they fire a
flare in the color-of-the-day?

What does the pilot punch the 'code' into? Some secret magic box. Not
likely to be the ATCRBS/SSR since that is already being monitored by
multiple civil and military radars.

If such a code existed it would have to be given to all pilots who might
possibly fly into pentagon airspace, given that the airspace around
Washington is fairly busy; and prominently displayed in the cockpit
since it must be entered in 'seconds' to avoid being shot down. That
makes it pretty difficult to keep it secret.

And, since violations of prohibited airspace are regular events, and no
one has been shot down yet, it seems unlikely that your statement makes
any sense at all.

But it's fun playing!

Dave

[Pete]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
> The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> automatically shot down with missiles
>
> Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
> of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
> the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> beat the correct code out of him.
>
> Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> the hijackers the code before-hand.

You are asking the wrong question.

The real question should be:
"Please Sir, may I have more medication? I can still hear these voices in my
head"

Pete

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on Mon, 10 May 2004 13:34:06 -0600,
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
attempted to say .....

> On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> wrote:
>
> >This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you had no
> >credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this and
> >regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
> >
> >
>
> Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
>

Why don't you provide some documentation for your claim ?


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Tank Fixer]

In article t>,
on Mon, 10 May 2004 22:11:12 GMT,
Steven P. McNicoll attempted to say .....

>
> <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
> >
>
> What issue?

Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue ?


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
"Kevin Brooks" > writes:
>
> "Jim Knoyle" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul J. Adam" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In message >, Laura Bush
>> > murdered her boy friend > writes
>> > >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
>> > >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
>> > >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
>> > >to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
>> > >automatically shot down with missiles
>> >
>> > Actually, if the aircraft doesn't identify itself, it's snatched away by
>> > tractor beams from Planet Zort.
>> >
>> >
>> > Out of interest, where would these supposed missiles be fired from? And
>> > where are their fire-control radars?
>> >
>> > I greatly enjoyed a stay in the Doubletree Arlington a few years ago,
>> > and my tenth-floor window looked out with a marvellous panorama across
>> > DC: the Pentagon on the left, National / Reagan on the right, the
>> > National Mall in the middle, and not a SAM radar nor launcher to be seen
>> > in between.
>> >
>> > So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
>> > the wreckage of their kills land?)
>> >
>> Hey, Paul, years ago they used to let us go up to the top of
>> the Washington Monument. I have several photos that I took
>> from those little windows. Could it be that they don't let visitors
>> climb to the top anymore because they would see the missles?
>
> No, no, no! That is the *decoy* missile site, silly. The real missiles are
> esconced in the "Metro Station" (wink-wink) at Pentagon City, with Paul's
> radars (flat panel synthetics, of course) being embedded in the panels of
> The Wall... all controlled by a kid standing in a "video arcade" (wink-wink)
> at Tysons Mall that is *really* a state-of-the-art missile control center
> (and you probably thought he was playing "Space Invaders" or something,
> right?). I know this is all true, 'cause you can read about it on the
> internet....

You missed the Particle Beam Regurgitators mounted on the balconies at
Crystal City. And the "Big Ear" listening devices at the Watergate,
as well.


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Laura Bush murdered her boy friend]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 19:09:24 GMT, (james)
wrote:

>In article >,
>Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> wrote:
>
>Inflammatory "name" tends to discredit you before the first word of your
>message.
>

HAHA. A name flame? Is that all you have? HAHA

>
>How do you know about this automatic Pentagon missile system?

Everyone but you knows about it, you hatefilled loonybird.

[Laura Bush murdered her boy friend]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 22:31:43 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
> wrote:

>
>
>So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
>the wreckage of their kills land?)
>

Hey stupid. You think america is just gonna let some terrorist drop
on the White House??? Your hate is matched only by your stupidity.

[Laura Bush murdered her boy friend]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 01:38:31 GMT, "Pete" > wrote:

>
><Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
>> The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
>> enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
>> message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
>> to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
>> automatically shot down with missiles
>>
>> Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
>> of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
>> the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
>> beat the correct code out of him.
>>
>> Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
>> the hijackers the code before-hand.
>
>You are asking the wrong question.
>
>The real question should be:
>"Please Sir, may I have more medication? I can still hear these voices in my
>head"
>
>Pete
>

HAHA. Looks like i win again cause all you rw loons have is childish
namecalling . HAHA

[George Z. Bush]

"Peter Stickney" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Kevin Brooks" > writes:
> >
> > "Jim Knoyle" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Paul J. Adam" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In message >, Laura Bush
> >> > murdered her boy friend > writes
> >> > >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> >> > >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> >> > >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> >> > >to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> >> > >automatically shot down with missiles
> >> >
> >> > Actually, if the aircraft doesn't identify itself, it's snatched away by
> >> > tractor beams from Planet Zort.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Out of interest, where would these supposed missiles be fired from? And
> >> > where are their fire-control radars?
> >> >
> >> > I greatly enjoyed a stay in the Doubletree Arlington a few years ago,
> >> > and my tenth-floor window looked out with a marvellous panorama across
> >> > DC: the Pentagon on the left, National / Reagan on the right, the
> >> > National Mall in the middle, and not a SAM radar nor launcher to be seen
> >> > in between.
> >> >
> >> > So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
> >> > the wreckage of their kills land?)
> >> >
> >> Hey, Paul, years ago they used to let us go up to the top of
> >> the Washington Monument. I have several photos that I took
> >> from those little windows. Could it be that they don't let visitors
> >> climb to the top anymore because they would see the missles?
> >
> > No, no, no! That is the *decoy* missile site, silly. The real missiles are
> > esconced in the "Metro Station" (wink-wink) at Pentagon City, with Paul's
> > radars (flat panel synthetics, of course) being embedded in the panels of
> > The Wall... all controlled by a kid standing in a "video arcade" (wink-wink)
> > at Tysons Mall that is *really* a state-of-the-art missile control center
> > (and you probably thought he was playing "Space Invaders" or something,
> > right?). I know this is all true, 'cause you can read about it on the
> > internet....
>
> You missed the Particle Beam Regurgitators mounted on the balconies at
> Crystal City. And the "Big Ear" listening devices at the Watergate,
> as well.

You CAN see those launch sites, but the tension on your aluminum head scarf has
to be just right.

George Z.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Peter Stickney" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Kevin Brooks" > writes:
> >
> > "Jim Knoyle" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Paul J. Adam" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In message >, Laura Bush
> >> > murdered her boy friend > writes
> >> > >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> >> > >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends
a
> >> > >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> >> > >to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane
is
> >> > >automatically shot down with missiles
> >> >
> >> > Actually, if the aircraft doesn't identify itself, it's snatched away
by
> >> > tractor beams from Planet Zort.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Out of interest, where would these supposed missiles be fired from?
And
> >> > where are their fire-control radars?
> >> >
> >> > I greatly enjoyed a stay in the Doubletree Arlington a few years ago,
> >> > and my tenth-floor window looked out with a marvellous panorama
across
> >> > DC: the Pentagon on the left, National / Reagan on the right, the
> >> > National Mall in the middle, and not a SAM radar nor launcher to be
seen
> >> > in between.
> >> >
> >> > So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
> >> > the wreckage of their kills land?)
> >> >
> >> Hey, Paul, years ago they used to let us go up to the top of
> >> the Washington Monument. I have several photos that I took
> >> from those little windows. Could it be that they don't let visitors
> >> climb to the top anymore because they would see the missles?
> >
> > No, no, no! That is the *decoy* missile site, silly. The real missiles
are
> > esconced in the "Metro Station" (wink-wink) at Pentagon City, with
Paul's
> > radars (flat panel synthetics, of course) being embedded in the panels
of
> > The Wall... all controlled by a kid standing in a "video arcade"
(wink-wink)
> > at Tysons Mall that is *really* a state-of-the-art missile control
center
> > (and you probably thought he was playing "Space Invaders" or something,
> > right?). I know this is all true, 'cause you can read about it on the
> > internet....
>
> You missed the Particle Beam Regurgitators mounted on the balconies at
> Crystal City. And the "Big Ear" listening devices at the Watergate,
> as well.

True, but you might as well let the cat out of the bag regarding the *real*
reason it took so long to actually finish the National Cathedral...oops!

Brooks

>
>
> --
> Pete Stickney
> A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
> bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[tim gueguen]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 19:09:24 GMT, (james)
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <> wrote:
> >
> >Inflammatory "name" tends to discredit you before the first word of your
> >message.
> >
>
> HAHA. A name flame? Is that all you have? HAHA
>
> >
> >How do you know about this automatic Pentagon missile system?
>
> Everyone but you knows about it, you hatefilled loonybird.
>
Except all those people who know even a smidgen about defense matters.
There was no missile system defending the Pentagon on Sept. 11 because there
was literally no missile system in place to do so. No one was expecting an
aircraft attack on the building.

tim gueguen 101867

[tim gueguen]

"EagleEye" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
> ...
> > The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> > enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> > message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> > to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> > automatically shot down with missiles
> >
> > Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
> > of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
> > the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> > beat the correct code out of him.
> >
> > Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> > the hijackers the code before-hand.
>
> You mean Hani Hanjour, the Arab who couldn't even fly a Cesna solo, who is
> purported to have spun that Boeing down from cruising altitude, in order
to
> skim an overpass, clip a couple of lampposts, and then slam it into the
FAR
> side of the Pantagon - that hijacker you mean?
>
Ah, a loony provokes a loony response. So, what was it that hit the
Pentagon then if it wasn't a jet airliner? A cruise missile? An F16. A
jet liner, but one controlled by evil remote control beams from NSA
headquarters at Fort Meade?

tim gueguen 101867

[tim gueguen]

<Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 01:38:31 GMT, "Pete" > wrote:
>
> >
> ><Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
> ...
> >> The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> >> enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> >> message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> >> to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> >> automatically shot down with missiles
> >>
> >> Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
> >> of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
> >> the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> >> beat the correct code out of him.
> >>
> >> Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> >> the hijackers the code before-hand.
> >
> >You are asking the wrong question.
> >
> >The real question should be:
> >"Please Sir, may I have more medication? I can still hear these voices in
my
> >head"
> >
> >Pete
> >
>
> HAHA. Looks like i win again cause all you rw loons have is childish
> namecalling . HAHA
>
No you don't, since a number of people have quite rightly pointed out that
this system is a figment of your, or someone else's, imagination.

tim gueguen 101867

[B2431]

>From: "tim gueguen"


>
><Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message

>> HAHA. Looks like i win again cause all you rw loons have is childish
>> namecalling . HAHA
>>
>No you don't, since a number of people have quite rightly pointed out that
>this system is a figment of your, or someone else's, imagination.
>
>tim gueguen 101867

Let's see, if name calling is an indication of losing an argument does it also
apply to laura?

Place your bets; will laura ever provide verifiable proof of his allegations?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Krztalizer]

>>So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
>>the wreckage of their kills land?)
>>
>
>Hey stupid. You think america is just gonna let some terrorist drop
>on the White House??? Your hate is matched only by your stupidity.
>

Yo, dork, you DO know some fool crashed a light aircraft into the White House
only a few years ago, right? If not, pay more attention in Civics class
tomorrow - you aren't getting your money's worth out of high school.

Why didn't we shoot that one down, genius?

Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

An LZ is a place you want to land, not stay.

[B2431]

>From: (Krztalizer)

>
>>>So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
>>>the wreckage of their kills land?)
>>>
>>
>>Hey stupid. You think america is just gonna let some terrorist drop
>>on the White House??? Your hate is matched only by your stupidity.
>>
>
>Yo, dork, you DO know some fool crashed a light aircraft into the White House
>only a few years ago, right? If not, pay more attention in Civics class
>tomorrow - you aren't getting your money's worth out of high school.
>
>Why didn't we shoot that one down, genius?
>
>Gordon
><====(A+C====>
> USN SAR
>
The funny part was after that happened people serously suggested keeping Secret
Service types on the roof of the White House armed with stingers. It was
discussed in this NG.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 04:27:44 GMT, "tim gueguen" >
wrote:

>
>"EagleEye" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>> <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
>> > enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
>> > message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
>> > to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
>> > automatically shot down with missiles
>> >
>> > Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the pilot
>> > of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
>> > the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
>> > beat the correct code out of him.
>> >
>> > Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
>> > the hijackers the code before-hand.
>>
>> You mean Hani Hanjour, the Arab who couldn't even fly a Cesna solo, who is
>> purported to have spun that Boeing down from cruising altitude, in order
>to
>> skim an overpass, clip a couple of lampposts, and then slam it into the
>FAR
>> side of the Pantagon - that hijacker you mean?
>>
>Ah, a loony provokes a loony response. So, what was it that hit the
>Pentagon then if it wasn't a jet airliner? A cruise missile? An F16. A
>jet liner, but one controlled by evil remote control beams from NSA
>headquarters at Fort Meade?
>
>tim gueguen 101867
>
I'd go along with a cruise. In the fake of the passernger plane
impacting the Pentagon the flash is there before the explosion,
so that passenger plane it was not.

Cruise? - My money would go on that. So, sent by whom? And
in collusion with whom?

And that is the interesting one. Under our very noses.

[Kevin Brooks]

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 04:27:44 GMT, "tim gueguen" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"EagleEye" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>
> >> <Laura Bush murdered her boy friend> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> >> > enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends
a
> >> > message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> >> > to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> >> > automatically shot down with missiles
> >> >
> >> > Now you might say the hijackers knew about this and demanded the
pilot
> >> > of Flight 77 give them the code. But surely he would have given them
> >> > the wrong code and there would be no time to retrun to the pilot and
> >> > beat the correct code out of him.
> >> >
> >> > Either the missile system was de-activated that day or someone gave
> >> > the hijackers the code before-hand.
> >>
> >> You mean Hani Hanjour, the Arab who couldn't even fly a Cesna solo, who
is
> >> purported to have spun that Boeing down from cruising altitude, in
order
> >to
> >> skim an overpass, clip a couple of lampposts, and then slam it into the
> >FAR
> >> side of the Pantagon - that hijacker you mean?
> >>
> >Ah, a loony provokes a loony response. So, what was it that hit the
> >Pentagon then if it wasn't a jet airliner? A cruise missile? An F16. A
> >jet liner, but one controlled by evil remote control beams from NSA
> >headquarters at Fort Meade?
> >
> >tim gueguen 101867
> >
> I'd go along with a cruise. In the fake of the passernger plane
> impacting the Pentagon the flash is there before the explosion,
> so that passenger plane it was not.
>
> Cruise? - My money would go on that. So, sent by whom? And
> in collusion with whom?
>
> And that is the interesting one. Under our very noses.

Far more interesting is the fact that folks like you actually believe this
kind of nonsense. One would suspect that you couldn't *recognize* your nose,
much less identify what is under it. All of those eyewitnesses who saw the
aircraft impact the Pentagon, not to mention the video of the event, is
part-and-parcel of a Great Conspiracy, to include imaginary SAM's located to
defend the Pentagon, etc., eh? It is rather odd that you think we could
successfully cover up such a Great Conspiracy, but felt it necessary to
publicly announce something like the recent Abu Ghraib prison situation.
Methinks you and your merry band of conspiracy theorists are in need of
adjustment--a few whacks with a loon mallet seem to be in order. Not that it
would necessarily help matters, as y'all appear to already be "whacked"...

Brooks

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
(B2431) writes:
>>From: (Krztalizer)
>
>>
>>>>So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
>>>>the wreckage of their kills land?)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey stupid. You think america is just gonna let some terrorist drop
>>>on the White House??? Your hate is matched only by your stupidity.
>>>
>>
>>Yo, dork, you DO know some fool crashed a light aircraft into the White House
>>only a few years ago, right? If not, pay more attention in Civics class
>>tomorrow - you aren't getting your money's worth out of high school.
>>
>>Why didn't we shoot that one down, genius?

There was also someone who tried to fly a UH-1 into the White House
back in the '70s, as well.

> The funny part was after that happened people serously suggested keeping Secret
> Service types on the roof of the White House armed with stingers. It was
> discussed in this NG.

And universally derided as a Bad Idea. A small missile, like a
Stinger, isn't going to stop an airplane in its final dive - you'll
just get hit with a damaged airplane. (Or, if it misses the White
House, crash it into the heart of the city. _There's_ a delightful
prospect!) A more likely event is that any MANPADS/Avenger type stuff
fired in downtown D.C. would much rather track one of the zillions of
airliners around, rather than a fast-closing head-on, adn relatively
cool target. That gives you the yummy prospect of not only having had
somebody kamikaze the White House, but the Secret Service has just
shot down an airliner full of people. (Into downtown D.C., again)


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Kevin Brooks]

"Peter Stickney" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (B2431) writes:
> >>From: (Krztalizer)
> >
> >>
> >>>>So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
> >>>>the wreckage of their kills land?)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Hey stupid. You think america is just gonna let some terrorist drop
> >>>on the White House??? Your hate is matched only by your stupidity.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yo, dork, you DO know some fool crashed a light aircraft into the White
House
> >>only a few years ago, right? If not, pay more attention in Civics class
> >>tomorrow - you aren't getting your money's worth out of high school.
> >>
> >>Why didn't we shoot that one down, genius?
>
> There was also someone who tried to fly a UH-1 into the White House
> back in the '70s, as well.
>
> > The funny part was after that happened people serously suggested keeping
Secret
> > Service types on the roof of the White House armed with stingers. It was
> > discussed in this NG.
>
> And universally derided as a Bad Idea. A small missile, like a
> Stinger, isn't going to stop an airplane in its final dive - you'll
> just get hit with a damaged airplane. (Or, if it misses the White
> House, crash it into the heart of the city. _There's_ a delightful
> prospect!) A more likely event is that any MANPADS/Avenger type stuff
> fired in downtown D.C. would much rather track one of the zillions of
> airliners around, rather than a fast-closing head-on, adn relatively
> cool target. That gives you the yummy prospect of not only having had
> somebody kamikaze the White House, but the Secret Service has just
> shot down an airliner full of people. (Into downtown D.C., again)

Uhmmm--you do know that we do have Avengers emplaced downtown now? There was
a photo of one on a pedestal mount atop one of the buildings in downtown DC
that appeared in the press just a few months back?

Brooks

>
>
> --
> Pete Stickney
> A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
> bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[tim gueguen]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
...
> It is rather odd that you think we could
> successfully cover up such a Great Conspiracy, but felt it necessary to
> publicly announce something like the recent Abu Ghraib prison situation.

Indeed. Plenty of Americans would likely have taken at face value claims
that reports of the abuse were greatly exaggerated or even made up.

tim gueguen 101867

[Chris Manteuffel]

"Jim Knoyle" > wrote in message >...

> Hey, Paul, years ago they used to let us go up to the top of
> the Washington Monument. I have several photos that I took
> from those little windows. Could it be that they don't let visitors
> climb to the top anymore because they would see the missles?

The Washington Monument is open for tourists again.

And I've driven all the way around the Pentagon in the last month;
during working hours you will see assorted Hummvee's on the perimeter,
but certainly none of this automated system, which sounds quite
dangerous, an automatic system so close to the busy DCA.

Chris Manteuffel

[Jeb]

"Paul J. Adam" > wrote in message >...
> In message >, Laura Bush
> murdered her boy friend > writes
> >The Pentagon is protected by a computerized system. When a plane
> >enters the pentagon protected space the computer automatically sends a
> >message to the plane demanding the pilot punch in a code allowing it
> >to enter the space. If that is not done within seconds, the plane is
> >automatically shot down with missiles
>
> Actually, if the aircraft doesn't identify itself, it's snatched away by
> tractor beams from Planet Zort.
>
> Out of interest, where would these supposed missiles be fired from? And
> where are their fire-control radars?
>
> I greatly enjoyed a stay in the Doubletree Arlington a few years ago,
> and my tenth-floor window looked out with a marvellous panorama across
> DC: the Pentagon on the left, National / Reagan on the right, the
> National Mall in the middle, and not a SAM radar nor launcher to be seen
> in between.
>
> So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
> the wreckage of their kills land?)
>
> (I know, I know, no fair getting into a battle of wits with the
> unarmed...)

Well, I've got about a half-dozen of them stored in my basement in
Alexandria, but darn it all, I was at work that morning. And I'm told
that we have a swimming pool buried in the common area behind my
neighbors across the street, too.

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
"Kevin Brooks" > writes:
>
> "Peter Stickney" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> (B2431) writes:
>> >>From: (Krztalizer)
>> >
>> >>
>> >>>>So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
>> >>>>the wreckage of their kills land?)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hey stupid. You think america is just gonna let some terrorist drop
>> >>>on the White House??? Your hate is matched only by your stupidity.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Yo, dork, you DO know some fool crashed a light aircraft into the White
> House
>> >>only a few years ago, right? If not, pay more attention in Civics class
>> >>tomorrow - you aren't getting your money's worth out of high school.
>> >>
>> >>Why didn't we shoot that one down, genius?
>>
>> There was also someone who tried to fly a UH-1 into the White House
>> back in the '70s, as well.
>>
>> > The funny part was after that happened people serously suggested keeping
> Secret
>> > Service types on the roof of the White House armed with stingers. It was
>> > discussed in this NG.
>>
>> And universally derided as a Bad Idea. A small missile, like a
>> Stinger, isn't going to stop an airplane in its final dive - you'll
>> just get hit with a damaged airplane. (Or, if it misses the White
>> House, crash it into the heart of the city. _There's_ a delightful
>> prospect!) A more likely event is that any MANPADS/Avenger type stuff
>> fired in downtown D.C. would much rather track one of the zillions of
>> airliners around, rather than a fast-closing head-on, adn relatively
>> cool target. That gives you the yummy prospect of not only having had
>> somebody kamikaze the White House, but the Secret Service has just
>> shot down an airliner full of people. (Into downtown D.C., again)
>
> Uhmmm--you do know that we do have Avengers emplaced downtown now? There was
> a photo of one on a pedestal mount atop one of the buildings in downtown DC
> that appeared in the press just a few months back?

Yes, I know that. My comment about their efficacy still stands. It
does make some people feel better, I suppose.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, Laura Bush
murdered her boy friend > writes
>On Mon, 10 May 2004 22:31:43 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
> wrote:
>>So where would these mystery missiles be fired from? (And where would
>>the wreckage of their kills land?)
>
>Hey stupid. You think america is just gonna let some terrorist drop
>on the White House??? Your hate is matched only by your stupidity.

You mean that various kooks and cranks *haven't* landed aircraft on the
White House lawn? It was all a mass hallucination?

And SAMs and airport approaches don't mix.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

[Peter Kemp]

On 11 May 2004 08:27:27 -0700, (Chris
Manteuffel) wrote:

>"Jim Knoyle" > wrote in message >...
>
>> Hey, Paul, years ago they used to let us go up to the top of
>> the Washington Monument. I have several photos that I took
>> from those little windows. Could it be that they don't let visitors
>> climb to the top anymore because they would see the missles?
>
>The Washington Monument is open for tourists again.
>
>And I've driven all the way around the Pentagon in the last month;
>during working hours you will see assorted Hummvee's on the perimeter,
>but certainly none of this automated system, which sounds quite
>dangerous, an automatic system so close to the busy DCA.

Ahem - Tin Foil hats off......

You all think you know so much!

Of course the automatic system is dangerous - it downs on average 3
planes a year with no survivors - if it wasn't for the gigantic memory
eraser (Washingotn Monument? Yeah....right - look into the red light
at the top please) you'd all remember the stories, and the lost loved
ones who sacrificed thier lives for the evil NaZi ZoG!

All the remains of the aircraft are bulldozed into the Potomac - why
do you think you're not allowed to use private submarines on the
Potmac eh?

Tin Foil hats back on please.

Nothing to see here please move right along......

So, score out of 10 for a mindless rant?

Peter Kemp

[james]

In article >,
Peter Kemp > wrote:

>All the remains of the aircraft are bulldozed into the Potomac - why
>do you think you're not allowed to use private submarines on the
>Potmac eh?

Not allowed to use private submarines on the Potomoc? Other watercraft
are allowed? How about scuba diving?

[OXMORON1]

Fishbowl questioned the use of private submarines in the Potomac River:

>Not allowed to use private submarines on the Potomoc? Other watercraft
>are allowed? How about scuba diving?
>

Actually skinny dipping is preferred to private watercraft. It actually is
beneficial if you urinate in the river. Noted upgrade in water quality.

Oxmoron1

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
(OXMORON1) writes:
> Fishbowl questioned the use of private submarines in the Potomac River:
>
>>Not allowed to use private submarines on the Potomoc? Other watercraft
>>are allowed? How about scuba diving?
>>
>
> Actually skinny dipping is preferred to private watercraft. It actually is
> beneficial if you urinate in the river. Noted upgrade in water quality.

But not in the Reflecting Pool of teh Washington Monument - unless
you're the Chairman of the House Ways and Means Comittee, and are
occompanied by a Stripper from Boston.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Mike Williamson]

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you had no
>>credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this and
>>regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
>>
>>
>
>
> Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?

There is no issue to address. Your entire scenario is specious.
There is no "code to be punched in" when approaching a given airspace,
and the Pentagon was not defended by SAM emplacements prior to 9/11.
As such, you are asking someone to defend something that didn't happen
with a system that doesn't exist.

Mike

[George Z. Bush]

"Mike Williamson" > wrote in message
...
> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you had no
> >>credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this and
> >>regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
>
> There is no issue to address. Your entire scenario is specious.
> There is no "code to be punched in" when approaching a given airspace,

I know I'm way out of date, but no IFF any more (or its equivalent)? Just free
wheeling all over our airspace?

> .....and the Pentagon was not defended by SAM emplacements prior to 9/11.
> As such, you are asking someone to defend something that didn't happen
> with a system that doesn't exist.
>
> Mike
>

[Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP]

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike Williamson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> > > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you
had no
> > >>credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this
and
> > >>regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
> >
> > There is no issue to address. Your entire scenario is specious.
> > There is no "code to be punched in" when approaching a given airspace,
>
> I know I'm way out of date, but no IFF any more (or its equivalent)? Just
free
> wheeling all over our airspace?

Uh, yeah. It's the "Open Skies" policy that was initiated in the Eisenhower
years.

Where have you been for the last fifty years?

[B2431]

>From: "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP"
>Date: 5/15/2004 10:12 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <V_Apc.56824$z06.8016794@attbi_s01>
>
>
>"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Mike Williamson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:08:47 -0700, "lysdexic" >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>This is bull. I haven't been on this board for long but suspected you
>had no
>> > >>credibility. Either you are ignorant enough to believe stuff like this
>and
>> > >>regurgitate it or you made it up. Either way you are not credible.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for the namecalling. Now why don't you address the issue?
>> >
>> > There is no issue to address. Your entire scenario is specious.
>> > There is no "code to be punched in" when approaching a given airspace,
>>
>> I know I'm way out of date, but no IFF any more (or its equivalent)? Just
>free
>> wheeling all over our airspace?
>
>Uh, yeah. It's the "Open Skies" policy that was initiated in the Eisenhower
>years.
>
>Where have you been for the last fifty years?

Where have YOU been? Have you never heard of mode C, ADIZ or restricted,
prohibited or class A air space?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Mike Williamson]

George Z. Bush wrote:
> "Mike Williamson" > wrote in message

>> There is no issue to address. Your entire scenario is specious.
>>There is no "code to be punched in" when approaching a given airspace,
>
>
> I know I'm way out of date, but no IFF any more (or its equivalent)? Just free
> wheeling all over our airspace?
>

Civilian aircraft don't use IFF. Almost all aircraft use
transponders, however, which are typically set before takeoff
and changed infrequently in flight at the direction of ATC-
and their codes aren't used to authenticate identity in
the manner alleged by the moron who started this thread.

Military IFF systems also work differently than alleged
at the start of the thread. The encrypted Mode 4 is set
prior to takeoff (although on some aircraft you can reset
them in flight only because the actual equipment is inside
the pressure compartment) and changed on a time schedule
(typically Zulu day change).

Mike