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[Mitchell Holman]

Down in the Hudson

[Herman]

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Remarkable demonstration of airmanship by that pilot.
Do you think anyone would have moving pictures of the actual forced landing?

Regards,
Herman

[Mitchell Holman]

"Herman" > wrote in
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>> Down in the Hudson
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> Remarkable demonstration of airmanship by that pilot.
> Do you think anyone would have moving pictures of the actual forced
> landing?
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> Regards,
> Herman
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The whole thing happened pretty quickly, I doubt
there is any footage of the actual landing.




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[Glenn[_2_]]

So while everyone was able to succesfully get off, why were there no
Liferafts ?


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[Robert Moore]

"Glenn" wrote
> So while everyone was able to succesfully get off, why were there no
> Liferafts ?

Not required......

FAR 1:
Extended over-water operation means—

(1) With respect to aircraft other than helicopters, an operation over
water at a horizontal distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the
nearest shoreline;


Section 121.339: Emergency equipment for extended over-water operations.

No person may operate an airplane in extended overwater operations
without having on the airplane the following equipment:

(1) A life preserver equipped with an approved survivor locator light,
for each occupant of the airplane.

(2) Enough life rafts (each equipped with an approved survivor locator
light) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of
the airplane. Unless excess rafts of enough capacity are provided, the
buoyancy and seating capacity beyond the rated capacity of the rafts
must accommodate all occupants of the airplane in the event of a loss of
one raft of the largest rated capacity.

Section 121.340: Emergency flotation means.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may
operate an airplane in any overwater operation unless it is equipped
with life preservers in accordance with §121.339(a)(1) or with an
approved flotation means for each occupant. This means must be within
easy reach of each seated occupant and must be readily removable from
the airplane.

(b) Upon application by the air carrier or commercial operator, the
Administrator may approve the operation of an airplane over water
without the life preservers or flotation means required by paragraph (a)
of this section, if the air carrier or commercial operator shows that
the water over which the airplane is to be operated is not of such size
and depth that life preservers or flotation means would be required for
the survival of its occupants in the event the flight terminates in that
water

[Avsec]

Thanks for the posting Mitchell. A good example when a picture is better
than a thousand words. What I find interesting that it occurred without a
single boat in the proximately of the ditching which could have been
fortunate under the circumstances.

Cheers,

Avsec

[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Glenn" > wrote:

> So while everyone was able to succesfully get off, why were there no
> Liferafts ?

From the pictures, it appears that they used the slides as rafts --
standard practice.

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[Glenn[_2_]]

Ok, so there is no provision provided for over land water crashes in sub
zero temperatures.

I guess we got lucky that there was a lot of vessels around that got to them
quickly.


"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
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> "Glenn" wrote
>> So while everyone was able to succesfully get off, why were there no
>> Liferafts ?
>
> Not required......
>
> FAR 1:
> Extended over-water operation means-
>
> (1) With respect to aircraft other than helicopters, an operation over
> water at a horizontal distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the
> nearest shoreline;
>
>
> Section 121.339: Emergency equipment for extended over-water operations.
>
> No person may operate an airplane in extended overwater operations
> without having on the airplane the following equipment:
>
> (1) A life preserver equipped with an approved survivor locator light,
> for each occupant of the airplane.
>
> (2) Enough life rafts (each equipped with an approved survivor locator
> light) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of
> the airplane. Unless excess rafts of enough capacity are provided, the
> buoyancy and seating capacity beyond the rated capacity of the rafts
> must accommodate all occupants of the airplane in the event of a loss of
> one raft of the largest rated capacity.
>
> Section 121.340: Emergency flotation means.
> (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may
> operate an airplane in any overwater operation unless it is equipped
> with life preservers in accordance with §121.339(a)(1) or with an
> approved flotation means for each occupant. This means must be within
> easy reach of each seated occupant and must be readily removable from
> the airplane.
>
> (b) Upon application by the air carrier or commercial operator, the
> Administrator may approve the operation of an airplane over water
> without the life preservers or flotation means required by paragraph (a)
> of this section, if the air carrier or commercial operator shows that
> the water over which the airplane is to be operated is not of such size
> and depth that life preservers or flotation means would be required for
> the survival of its occupants in the event the flight terminates in that
> water
>
>
>

[Mitchell Holman]

"Avsec" > wrote in news:49716225$0$26849$afc38c87
@news.optusnet.com.au:

> Thanks for the posting Mitchell. A good example when a picture is better
> than a thousand words. What I find interesting that it occurred without a
> single boat in the proximately of the ditching which could have been
> fortunate under the circumstances.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Avsec
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>


The fact that the pilot was also trained in gliders helped.

[nockers]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:55:32 -0600, Mitchell Holman
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>"Avsec" > wrote in news:49716225$0$26849$afc38c87
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>> Thanks for the posting Mitchell. A good example when a picture is better
>> than a thousand words. What I find interesting that it occurred without a
>> single boat in the proximately of the ditching which could have been
>> fortunate under the circumstances.
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>> Cheers,
>>
>> Avsec
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> The fact that the pilot was also trained in gliders helped.
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MSNBC has some fottage of the touchdown

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28688215?gt1=43001

[Scubabix]

"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
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> "Herman" > wrote in
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>> "Mitchell Holman" > schreef in bericht
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>>> Down in the Hudson
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>> Remarkable demonstration of airmanship by that pilot.
>> Do you think anyone would have moving pictures of the actual forced
>> landing?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Herman
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> The whole thing happened pretty quickly, I doubt
> there is any footage of the actual landing.
>
>
There is a video from a webcam type camera in the vicinity of the piers on
the NY side. I'm not sure where you can see it, I saw it on Comcast's The
Fan.

Rob

[Scubabix]

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> MSNBC has some fottage of the touchdown
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28688215?gt1=43001

That's the same one I saw on Comcast.

[Andrew Chaplin]

"Scubabix" > wrote in message
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>> MSNBC has some fottage of the touchdown
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>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28688215?gt1=43001
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> That's the same one I saw on Comcast.

It appears to be security camera footage.
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[nockers]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:46:37 -0500, nockers > wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:55:32 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> wrote:
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>>"Avsec" > wrote in news:49716225$0$26849$afc38c87
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>>> Thanks for the posting Mitchell. A good example when a picture is better
>>> than a thousand words. What I find interesting that it occurred without a
>>> single boat in the proximately of the ditching which could have been
>>> fortunate under the circumstances.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Avsec
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>> The fact that the pilot was also trained in gliders helped.
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>MSNBC has some fottage of the touchdown
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>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28688215?gt1=43001
Some great shots from the US Coast Gaurd of the 3 Ferry boats on seen
within minutes after touchdown


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyregion/18plane.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=nyregion

[nockers]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:44:11 -0500, "Andrew Chaplin"
> wrote:

>"Scubabix" > wrote in message
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>>> MSNBC has some fottage of the touchdown
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>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28688215?gt1=43001
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>> That's the same one I saw on Comcast.
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>It appears to be security camera footage.
Here is another one that shows the unsung heros. The Ferry boat crews
they had no less than 6 boats at the scene within 5 minutes watc the
video about half way down the page

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyregion/18plane.html?ref=nyregion

[D. St-Sanvain]

Hello,

Scubabix a écrit dans
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>>> "Mitchell Holman" > schreef in bericht
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>>>> Down in the Hudson
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>>> Remarkable demonstration of airmanship by that pilot.
>>> Do you think anyone would have moving pictures of the actual forced
>>> landing?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Herman
>>>
>>>
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>> The whole thing happened pretty quickly, I doubt
>> there is any footage of the actual landing.
>>
>>
> There is a video from a webcam type camera in the vicinity of the piers on
> the NY side. I'm not sure where you can see it, I saw it on Comcast's The
> Fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLKfRVU3qM

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