Stol/lsa Features

[aerojones]

Hi

I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping you all could help me out.

I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.

Any and all opinions are appreciated. Thanks

[Jim Stewart[_2_]]

aerojones wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping you
> all could help me out.
>
> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.

I think you need to limit your survey more.
What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
is different than what an ultralight pilot
wants. Focus on one of these groups.

I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
for me is an economical cruise as close to
120 knots as possible, along with comfort
and reliability.

[aerojones]

;681553']aerojones wrote:
Hi

I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping you
all could help me out.

I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.

I think you need to limit your survey more.
What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
is different than what an ultralight pilot
wants. Focus on one of these groups.

I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
for me is an economical cruise as close to
120 knots as possible, along with comfort
and reliability.


I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a higher cruise speed.
So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both categories.
I appreciate your response.

[Mike Noel]

I agree with the apples and oranges comment.

For an LSA a cruise speed near 120 knots, a fuel burn of 5 gallons or less
per hour, and the ability to carry 2 'normal' sized people + a bit of
baggage (say 400 pounds total) with a 4 hour range would look good to me.
--
Best Regards,
Mike.

http://flickr.com/photos/mikenoel/

http://photoshow.comcast.net/mikenoel


"Jim Stewart" > wrote in message
...
> aerojones wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping you
>> all could help me out.
>>
>> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
>> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
>> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
>> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.
>
> I think you need to limit your survey more.
> What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
> different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
> is different than what an ultralight pilot
> wants. Focus on one of these groups.
>
> I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
> for me is an economical cruise as close to
> 120 knots as possible, along with comfort
> and reliability.

[Jim Stewart[_2_]]

aerojones wrote:
> 'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
>> ;681553']aerojones wrote:- Hi
>>
>> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
>> you all could help me out.
>>
>> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
>> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
>> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
>> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
>>
>> I think you need to limit your survey more. What a bush pilot wants
>> in a STOL is a lot different than what a SLSA pilot wants which is
>> different than what an ultralight pilot wants. Focus on one of
>> these groups.
>>
>> I fly an SLSA and the most important thing for me is an economical
>> cruise as close to 120 knots as possible, along with comfort and
>> reliability.
>
>
> I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with
> a higher cruise speed. So I would like to understand the most
> important aspects of both categories. I appreciate your response.

I fly a Flight Design CTSW. It cruises nicely
at 110 knots and, with a little skill and a little
headwind, will land in 500 feet. With flaps 40
and more skill it can descend steeply and land
in 300 feet or so. Likewise, on a cool day with
full fuel and no passengers, 1000 fpm climb is
normal. On a hot day, fully loaded, 500-600 fpm
at sea level.

[John[_1_]]

On Feb 4, 4:48*pm, aerojones >
wrote:
> 'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ;681553']aerojones wrote:-
> > Hi
>
> > I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
> > you
> > all could help me out.
>
> > I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
> > aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
> > features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
> > aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
>
> > I think you need to limit your survey more.
> > What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
> > different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
> > is different than what an ultralight pilot
> > wants. *Focus on one of these groups.
>
> > I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
> > for me is an economical cruise as close to
> > 120 knots as possible, along with comfort
> > and reliability.
>
> I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a
> higher cruise speed.
> So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both
> categories.
> I appreciate your response.
>
> --
> aerojones- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe you need to define what you mean by "higer" cruise speed since
(at least in the US) there is a regulatory-established on maxium
airspeed for LSA.

I understand that the Flight Design CT designs (CT2K, CTSW, CTLS) will
cruise faster with changes to the prop, but cannot if they want retain
their LSA certification. I'm sure this is true for many other LSA's
too.

take care . . .

John

[Jim Stewart[_2_]]

John wrote:
> On Feb 4, 4:48 pm, aerojones >
> wrote:
>> 'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ;681553']aerojones wrote:-
>>> Hi
>>> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
>>> you
>>> all could help me out.
>>> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
>>> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
>>> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
>>> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
>>> I think you need to limit your survey more.
>>> What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
>>> different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
>>> is different than what an ultralight pilot
>>> wants. Focus on one of these groups.
>>> I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
>>> for me is an economical cruise as close to
>>> 120 knots as possible, along with comfort
>>> and reliability.
>> I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a
>> higher cruise speed.
>> So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both
>> categories.
>> I appreciate your response.
>>
>> --
>> aerojones- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Maybe you need to define what you mean by "higer" cruise speed since
> (at least in the US) there is a regulatory-established on maxium
> airspeed for LSA.
>
> I understand that the Flight Design CT designs (CT2K, CTSW, CTLS) will
> cruise faster with changes to the prop, but cannot if they want retain
> their LSA certification. I'm sure this is true for many other LSA's
> too.
>
> take care . . .
>
> John

[Jim Stewart[_2_]]

John wrote:
> On Feb 4, 4:48 pm, aerojones >
> wrote:
>> 'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ;681553']aerojones wrote:-
>>> Hi
>>> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
>>> you
>>> all could help me out.
>>> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
>>> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
>>> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
>>> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
>>> I think you need to limit your survey more.
>>> What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
>>> different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
>>> is different than what an ultralight pilot
>>> wants. Focus on one of these groups.
>>> I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
>>> for me is an economical cruise as close to
>>> 120 knots as possible, along with comfort
>>> and reliability.
>> I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a
>> higher cruise speed.
>> So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both
>> categories.
>> I appreciate your response.
>>
>> --
>> aerojones- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Maybe you need to define what you mean by "higer" cruise speed since
> (at least in the US) there is a regulatory-established on maxium
> airspeed for LSA.

The maximum cruise speed is specified by regulation,
but many LSA's can't cruise that fast. That was my
deal-killer on the Evektor SportStar. An otherwise
excellent plane, but comfortable cruise was about 90
knots on the one I flew. Comfortable cruise on my
CTSW is 105-110 knots.

Admittedly, "comfortable cruise" is my subjective term
for least noise and vibration and best fuel economy.

[John[_1_]]

On Feb 9, 1:46*pm, Jim Stewart > wrote:
> John wrote:
> > On Feb 4, 4:48 pm, aerojones >
> > wrote:
> >> 'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
>
> >>> ;681553']aerojones wrote:-
> >>> Hi
> >>> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
> >>> you
> >>> all could help me out.
> >>> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
> >>> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
> >>> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
> >>> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
> >>> I think you need to limit your survey more.
> >>> What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
> >>> different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
> >>> is different than what an ultralight pilot
> >>> wants. *Focus on one of these groups.
> >>> I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
> >>> for me is an economical cruise as close to
> >>> 120 knots as possible, along with comfort
> >>> and reliability.
> >> I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a
> >> higher cruise speed.
> >> So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both
> >> categories.
> >> I appreciate your response.
>
> >> --
> >> aerojones- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Maybe you need to define what you mean by "higer" cruise speed since
> > (at least in the US) there is a regulatory-established on maxium
> > airspeed for LSA.
>
> The maximum cruise speed is specified by regulation,
> but many LSA's can't cruise that fast. *That was my
> deal-killer on the Evektor SportStar. *An otherwise
> excellent plane, but comfortable cruise was about 90
> knots on the one I flew. *Comfortable cruise on my
> CTSW is 105-110 knots.
>
> Admittedly, "comfortable cruise" is my subjective term
> for least noise and vibration and best fuel economy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mr. Stewart,

Curious about two things regarding your CTSW at "comfortable cruise"

How long is the endurance of the plane (assuming full tanks at the
start)? (Probably longer than the endurance of my bottom or my
bladder)

How many gallons per hour do you burn at 105 - 110 knots?

Thanks and take care . . .

John

[Jim Stewart[_2_]]

John wrote:
> On Feb 9, 1:46 pm, Jim Stewart > wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>> On Feb 4, 4:48 pm, aerojones >
>>> wrote:
>>>> 'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
>>>>> ;681553']aerojones wrote:-
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
>>>>> you
>>>>> all could help me out.
>>>>> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
>>>>> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
>>>>> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
>>>>> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
>>>>> I think you need to limit your survey more.
>>>>> What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
>>>>> different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
>>>>> is different than what an ultralight pilot
>>>>> wants. Focus on one of these groups.
>>>>> I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
>>>>> for me is an economical cruise as close to
>>>>> 120 knots as possible, along with comfort
>>>>> and reliability.
>>>> I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a
>>>> higher cruise speed.
>>>> So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both
>>>> categories.
>>>> I appreciate your response.
>>>> --
>>>> aerojones- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Maybe you need to define what you mean by "higer" cruise speed since
>>> (at least in the US) there is a regulatory-established on maxium
>>> airspeed for LSA.
>> The maximum cruise speed is specified by regulation,
>> but many LSA's can't cruise that fast. That was my
>> deal-killer on the Evektor SportStar. An otherwise
>> excellent plane, but comfortable cruise was about 90
>> knots on the one I flew. Comfortable cruise on my
>> CTSW is 105-110 knots.
>>
>> Admittedly, "comfortable cruise" is my subjective term
>> for least noise and vibration and best fuel economy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Mr. Stewart,
>
> Curious about two things regarding your CTSW at "comfortable cruise"
>
> How long is the endurance of the plane (assuming full tanks at the
> start)? (Probably longer than the endurance of my bottom or my
> bladder

34 gallons, 32 useable, 7 hours minus reserves.

> How many gallons per hour do you burn at 105 - 110 knots?

4.5

Here are the specs. They seem to agree
closely with my plane's performance..

http://www.flightdesignusa.com/specs.asp

[Jim Stewart[_2_]]

John wrote:
> On Feb 9, 1:46 pm, Jim Stewart > wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>> On Feb 4, 4:48 pm, aerojones >
>>> wrote:
>>>> 'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
>>>>> ;681553']aerojones wrote:-
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
>>>>> you
>>>>> all could help me out.
>>>>> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
>>>>> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
>>>>> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
>>>>> aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
>>>>> I think you need to limit your survey more.
>>>>> What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
>>>>> different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
>>>>> is different than what an ultralight pilot
>>>>> wants. Focus on one of these groups.
>>>>> I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
>>>>> for me is an economical cruise as close to
>>>>> 120 knots as possible, along with comfort
>>>>> and reliability.
>>>> I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a
>>>> higher cruise speed.
>>>> So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both
>>>> categories.
>>>> I appreciate your response.
>>>> --
>>>> aerojones- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Maybe you need to define what you mean by "higer" cruise speed since
>>> (at least in the US) there is a regulatory-established on maxium
>>> airspeed for LSA.
>> The maximum cruise speed is specified by regulation,
>> but many LSA's can't cruise that fast. That was my
>> deal-killer on the Evektor SportStar. An otherwise
>> excellent plane, but comfortable cruise was about 90
>> knots on the one I flew. Comfortable cruise on my
>> CTSW is 105-110 knots.
>>
>> Admittedly, "comfortable cruise" is my subjective term
>> for least noise and vibration and best fuel economy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Mr. Stewart,
>
> Curious about two things regarding your CTSW at "comfortable cruise"
>
> How long is the endurance of the plane (assuming full tanks at the
> start)? (Probably longer than the endurance of my bottom or my
> bladder

34 gallons, 32 useable, 7 hours minus reserves.

> How many gallons per hour do you burn at 105 - 110 knots?

4.5

Here are the specs. They seem to agree
closely with my plane's performance..

http://www.flightdesignusa.com/specs.asp

[Linton Yarbrough]

On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:59:28 +0000, aerojones wrote:

> I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
> aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
> features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
> aircraft?

That it can fly.
--
In the days of really long hair, military people
of the day would have been courts martialed for
having buzz cuts and no facial hair had they been
in Custer's 7th Cavalry.

[aerojones]

[QUOTE='Jim Stewart[_2_];682176']John wrote:
On Feb 9, 1:46 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:[color=green][i]
John wrote:[color=darkred][i]
On Feb 4, 4:48 pm, aerojones
wrote:
'Jim Stewart[_2_ Wrote:
;681553']aerojones wrote:-
Hi
I'm conducting a survey for my aeronautics course and I was hoping
you
all could help me out.
I'm focusing on smaller single reciprocating, nonturbine engine
aircrafts and I wanted to know what are the most important
features/expectations when considering a STOL and/or Light Sport
aircraft? Whether you are looking to buy, build, or just fly.-
I think you need to limit your survey more.
What a bush pilot wants in a STOL is a lot
different than what a SLSA pilot wants which
is different than what an ultralight pilot
wants. Focus on one of these groups.
I fly an SLSA and the most important thing
for me is an economical cruise as close to
120 knots as possible, along with comfort
and reliability.
I'm actually trying to integrate the short take off and landing with a
higher cruise speed.
So I would like to understand the most important aspects of both
categories.
I appreciate your response.
--
aerojones- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Maybe you need to define what you mean by "higer" cruise speed since
(at least in the US) there is a regulatory-established on maxium
airspeed for LSA.
The maximum cruise speed is specified by regulation,
but many LSA's can't cruise that fast. That was my
deal-killer on the Evektor SportStar. An otherwise
excellent plane, but comfortable cruise was about 90
knots on the one I flew. Comfortable cruise on my
CTSW is 105-110 knots.


I would like to reach a cruising speed as close to the LSA limit as possible. It's rare to find something that has those short take off and landing abilities with a cruising speed even near 115 knots. 110 is among the most i've heard.

[Gig 601Xl Builder]

Jim Stewart wrote:

> 34 gallons, 32 useable, 7 hours minus reserves.

What is the longest non-stop flight so far that you have made?