Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica Inigo, Stars and Stripes

[Otis Willie]

Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica Inigo, Stars
and Stripes

(EXCERPT) European edition, Thursday, June 3, 2004

CAMP VIRGINIA, Kuwait — All it takes is some Army weapons, several
classes and a group of National Guard soldiers from El Paso, Texas, to
teach airmen how to be “hooah!”

Nearly 300 airmen from the 732nd Expeditionary Civil Engineer Squadron
are learning major soldiering skills during a two-phase course,
designed to get the Army and the Air Force on the same fighting page.

The airmen are separated into four groups of abou...

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[Ed Rasimus]

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:04:39 GMT, Otis Willie
> wrote:

>Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica Inigo, Stars
>and Stripes
>
>(EXCERPT) European edition, Thursday, June 3, 2004
>
>CAMP VIRGINIA, Kuwait — All it takes is some Army weapons, several
>classes and a group of National Guard soldiers from El Paso, Texas, to
>teach airmen how to be “hooah!”
>
>Nearly 300 airmen from the 732nd Expeditionary Civil Engineer Squadron
>are learning major soldiering skills during a two-phase course,
>designed to get the Army and the Air Force on the same fighting page.
>
>The airmen are separated into four groups of abou...

Poor Jessica need to read some history.

Can she spell "Red Horse" and "Prime BEEF"?


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Joe Osman]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:04:39 GMT, Otis Willie
> > wrote:
>
> >Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica Inigo, Stars
> >and Stripes
> >
> >(EXCERPT) European edition, Thursday, June 3, 2004
> >
> >CAMP VIRGINIA, Kuwait - All it takes is some Army weapons, several
> >classes and a group of National Guard soldiers from El Paso, Texas, to
> >teach airmen how to be "hooah!"
> >
> >Nearly 300 airmen from the 732nd Expeditionary Civil Engineer Squadron
> >are learning major soldiering skills during a two-phase course,
> >designed to get the Army and the Air Force on the same fighting page.
> >
> >The airmen are separated into four groups of abou...
>
> Poor Jessica need to read some history.
>
> Can she spell "Red Horse" and "Prime BEEF"?
>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> Smithsonian Institution Press
> ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Ed:

Were USAF Red Horse and Prime BEEF units ever trained in combat skills
before? Did they see any action that you know about? The Seabees have been
trained for quite a while by the USMC.
In WWII during Operation Torch, a USAAF Aviation Engineer unit acting as
infantry took part on the attack on the "Casbah", an old Portugese fort in
Port Lyautey (now Kenitra) Morocco and helped defeat the 3rd Infantry
Regiment of the French Foreign Legion. Earlier at Bataan, a Pursuit Squadron
(the 10th, IIRC) fighting as infantry took part in an amphibious
counterlanding to defeat the Japanese landings in the Battle of the Points.
About a fourth of the infantry on Bataan and Corregidor were USAAF.

Joe




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[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica Inigo,
>Stars and Stripes
>From: "Joe Osman"
>Date: 6/4/04 10:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:04:39 GMT, Otis Willie
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica Inigo, Stars
>> >and Stripes
>> >
>> >(EXCERPT) European edition, Thursday, June 3, 2004
>> >
>> >CAMP VIRGINIA, Kuwait - All it takes is some Army weapons, several
>> >classes and a group of National Guard soldiers from El Paso, Texas, to
>> >teach airmen how to be "hooah!"
>> >
>> >Nearly 300 airmen from the 732nd Expeditionary Civil Engineer Squadron
>> >are learning major soldiering skills during a two-phase course,
>> >designed to get the Army and the Air Force on the same fighting page.
>> >
>> >The airmen are separated into four groups of abou...
>>
>> Poor Jessica need to read some history.
>>
>> Can she spell "Red Horse" and "Prime BEEF"?
>>
>>
>> Ed Rasimus
>> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
>> "When Thunder Rolled"
>> Smithsonian Institution Press
>> ISBN #1-58834-103-8
>
>Ed:
>
> Were USAF Red Horse and Prime BEEF units ever trained in combat skills
>before? Did they see any action that you know about? The Seabees have been
>trained for quite a while by the USMC.
> In WWII during Operation Torch, a USAAF Aviation Engineer unit acting as
>infantry took part on the attack on the "Casbah", an old Portugese fort in
>Port Lyautey (now Kenitra) Morocco and helped defeat the 3rd Infantry
>Regiment of the French Foreign Legion. Earlier at Bataan, a Pursuit Squadron
>(the 10th, IIRC) fighting as infantry took part in an amphibious
>counterlanding to defeat the Japanese landings in the Battle of the Points.
>About a fourth of the infantry on Bataan and Corregidor were USAAF.
>
>Joe


In WW II we all went through combat infantry training before we were sent to
flight schools. And we were always reminded that we were soldiers first and
fliers second. and many of us picked up rlfles and took our place in lines of
skermishers during the battle of the Bulge. And that included cooks, bakers and
mechanics.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Kevin Brooks]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica
Inigo,
> >Stars and Stripes
> >From: "Joe Osman"
> >Date: 6/4/04 10:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:04:39 GMT, Otis Willie
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Airmen get training in fighting on the ground, By Jessica Inigo, Stars
> >> >and Stripes
> >> >
> >> >(EXCERPT) European edition, Thursday, June 3, 2004
> >> >
> >> >CAMP VIRGINIA, Kuwait - All it takes is some Army weapons, several
> >> >classes and a group of National Guard soldiers from El Paso, Texas, to
> >> >teach airmen how to be "hooah!"
> >> >
> >> >Nearly 300 airmen from the 732nd Expeditionary Civil Engineer Squadron
> >> >are learning major soldiering skills during a two-phase course,
> >> >designed to get the Army and the Air Force on the same fighting page.
> >> >
> >> >The airmen are separated into four groups of abou...
> >>
> >> Poor Jessica need to read some history.
> >>
> >> Can she spell "Red Horse" and "Prime BEEF"?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ed Rasimus
> >> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> >> "When Thunder Rolled"
> >> Smithsonian Institution Press
> >> ISBN #1-58834-103-8
> >
> >Ed:
> >
> > Were USAF Red Horse and Prime BEEF units ever trained in combat
skills
> >before? Did they see any action that you know about? The Seabees have
been
> >trained for quite a while by the USMC.
> > In WWII during Operation Torch, a USAAF Aviation Engineer unit acting
as
> >infantry took part on the attack on the "Casbah", an old Portugese fort
in
> >Port Lyautey (now Kenitra) Morocco and helped defeat the 3rd Infantry
> >Regiment of the French Foreign Legion. Earlier at Bataan, a Pursuit
Squadron
> >(the 10th, IIRC) fighting as infantry took part in an amphibious
> >counterlanding to defeat the Japanese landings in the Battle of the
Points.
> >About a fourth of the infantry on Bataan and Corregidor were USAAF.
> >
> >Joe
>
>
> In WW II we all went through combat infantry training

No, you went through *basic* training, which does not equal "combat infantry
training", whatever the heck that is.

before we were sent to
> flight schools. And we were always reminded that we were soldiers first
and
> fliers second. and many of us picked up rlfles and took our place in lines
of
> skermishers during the battle of the Bulge. And that included cooks,
bakers and
> mechanics.

Must have been a pretty poor bombadier if it was decided to send you to the
front as an infantry pogue. Could you point to which exact sector B-26
aircrew served in the infantry role in during the Ardennes campaign?

Brooks

>
>
> Arthur Kramer

[Ed Rasimus]

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:47:40 -0400, "Joe Osman"
>
>Ed:
>
> Were USAF Red Horse and Prime BEEF units ever trained in combat skills
>before? Did they see any action that you know about? The Seabees have been
>trained for quite a while by the USMC.

Red Horse and Prime BEEF units did extensive combat construction in
SEA during the conflict, often under direct fire. Seabees, Marines and
Army Combat Engineers also did a lot of remarkable stuff in hot zones.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Kevin Brooks]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:47:40 -0400, "Joe Osman"
> >
> >Ed:
> >
> > Were USAF Red Horse and Prime BEEF units ever trained in combat
skills
> >before? Did they see any action that you know about? The Seabees have
been
> >trained for quite a while by the USMC.
>
> Red Horse and Prime BEEF units did extensive combat construction in
> SEA during the conflict, often under direct fire. Seabees, Marines and
> Army Combat Engineers also did a lot of remarkable stuff in hot zones.

True, but in my own later experience working with Red Horse, I got the
distinct opinion that they had kind of downplayed/neglected the combat side
of the house the past couple of decades, which might explain why some combat
refresher training was in order.

Brooks

>
>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> Smithsonian Institution Press
> ISBN #1-58834-103-8