Any New Names for the F-35? [Archive]

Keith Willshaw

June 8th 04, 01:52 PM

"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
...
> >Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
> >
> >- Defender
> >- Bumblebee
> >- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
> >- Pegasus
> >- Hailstorm
> >- Harbinger
> >- Valiant
> >
> >Any others lately?
>
> Freestyler
>
> ...cause it's essentially a Yakovlev-141 copycat.
>
>

You mean apart from the fact that the airframe
is totaly different , it doesnt use seperate lift engines,
it can carry a greater payload further and faster and
last but not least, actually exists as more than a cancelled
project.

Keith

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Krztalizer

June 8th 04, 03:45 PM

>
>Freestyler
>
>...cause it's essentially a Yakovlev-141 copycat.

Are you saying it won't reach production and is destined to sit in the weeds at
Monino?

Nemo l'Ancien

June 8th 04, 05:23 PM

Yes, but obviously it could be also a cancelled project...

Prowlus

June 8th 04, 07:48 PM

(Krztalizer) wrote in message >...
> >
> >Freestyler
> >
> >...cause it's essentially a Yakovlev-141 copycat.
>
> Are you saying it won't reach production and is destined to sit in the weeds at
> Monino?

Howabout Jack as in "Jack of All trades Master of none"

Ron

June 8th 04, 08:08 PM

>> Are you saying it won't reach production and is destined to sit in the
>weeds at
>> Monino?
>
>Howabout Jack as in "Jack of All trades Master of none"

I think that was already taken by the F-18E.

Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)
Silver City Tanker Base

Peter Kemp

June 8th 04, 08:52 PM

On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>
>- Defender
>- Bumblebee
>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>- Pegasus
>- Hailstorm
>- Harbinger
>- Valiant

Hurricane - in addition to following the UK "storm" series, the F-35B
is going to provide one hell of a down draft doing a vertical landing
at max landing weight.

Peter Kemp

Alan Minyard

June 8th 04, 09:39 PM

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:45:58 +0200, "Tamas Feher" > wrote:

>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>
>>- Defender
>>- Bumblebee
>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>- Pegasus
>>- Hailstorm
>>- Harbinger
>>- Valiant
>>
>>Any others lately?
>
>Freestyler
>
>...cause it's essentially a Yakovlev-141 copycat.
>
What an utter fool. The Yak is not stealthy, has no advanced
weapons systems, etc. The Russians are at least 15 years
behind in aviation tech.

Al Minyard

Scott Ferrin

June 8th 04, 10:10 PM

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:23:50 +0200, Nemo l'Ancien
> wrote:

>Yes, but obviously it could be also a cancelled project...

As could any project.

Scott Ferrin

June 8th 04, 10:44 PM

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:52:40 -0400, Peter Kemp
> wrote:

>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>
>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>
>>- Defender
>>- Bumblebee
>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>- Pegasus
>>- Hailstorm
>>- Harbinger
>>- Valiant
>
>Hurricane - in addition to following the UK "storm" series, the F-35B
>is going to provide one hell of a down draft doing a vertical landing
>at max landing weight.
>
>Peter Kemp

"Hurricane" is much too agressive. We wouldn't want to offend
anybody. I'm sure there's some species of endagered butterfly we
could name it after.

What would really be funny though is if we let the pilots come up with
something. Kinda like what happened with the F-111. It went for
nearly it's entire career with no official name (is that odd or what).

My personal picks would be Dragon, Harpy, or something else
different. Nothing with a Roman numeral tacked on the end. Or how
'bout the Fang? We've got Stingers, Cobras, Sidewinders, Black
Widows, Scorpions. . . I guess it could be argued that "Fang" would
be more fitting for a missile. I like "Harpy" but you know the PC
fanatics would scream bloody murder. It flys, it's ugly, it's trying
to be many different beasties. . .seems appropriate.

Air Force Jayhawk

June 8th 04, 11:12 PM

....And Harpy has already been used. The Israelis named a missile
that.

AFJ

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:44:27 -0600, Scott Ferrin <> wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:52:40 -0400, Peter Kemp
> wrote:
>
>>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>>
>>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>>
>>>- Defender
>>>- Bumblebee
>>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>>- Pegasus
>>>- Hailstorm
>>>- Harbinger
>>>- Valiant
>>
>>Hurricane - in addition to following the UK "storm" series, the F-35B
>>is going to provide one hell of a down draft doing a vertical landing
>>at max landing weight.
>>
>>Peter Kemp
>
>"Hurricane" is much too agressive. We wouldn't want to offend
>anybody. I'm sure there's some species of endagered butterfly we
>could name it after.
>
>
>What would really be funny though is if we let the pilots come up with
>something. Kinda like what happened with the F-111. It went for
>nearly it's entire career with no official name (is that odd or what).
>
>My personal picks would be Dragon, Harpy, or something else
>different. Nothing with a Roman numeral tacked on the end. Or how
>'bout the Fang? We've got Stingers, Cobras, Sidewinders, Black
>Widows, Scorpions. . . I guess it could be argued that "Fang" would
>be more fitting for a missile. I like "Harpy" but you know the PC
>fanatics would scream bloody murder. It flys, it's ugly, it's trying
>to be many different beasties. . .seems appropriate.
>

Scott Ferrin

June 9th 04, 12:59 AM

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:12:57 -0400, Air Force Jayhawk
> wrote:

>...And Harpy has already been used. The Israelis named a missile
>that.

Dang. Seems like pretty much everything has been used at one time or
another.

>
>AFJ
>
>
>On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:44:27 -0600, Scott Ferrin <> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:52:40 -0400, Peter Kemp
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>>>
>>>>- Defender
>>>>- Bumblebee
>>>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>>>- Pegasus
>>>>- Hailstorm
>>>>- Harbinger
>>>>- Valiant
>>>
>>>Hurricane - in addition to following the UK "storm" series, the F-35B
>>>is going to provide one hell of a down draft doing a vertical landing
>>>at max landing weight.
>>>
>>>Peter Kemp
>>
>>"Hurricane" is much too agressive. We wouldn't want to offend
>>anybody. I'm sure there's some species of endagered butterfly we
>>could name it after.
>>
>>
>>What would really be funny though is if we let the pilots come up with
>>something. Kinda like what happened with the F-111. It went for
>>nearly it's entire career with no official name (is that odd or what).
>>
>>My personal picks would be Dragon, Harpy, or something else
>>different. Nothing with a Roman numeral tacked on the end. Or how
>>'bout the Fang? We've got Stingers, Cobras, Sidewinders, Black
>>Widows, Scorpions. . . I guess it could be argued that "Fang" would
>>be more fitting for a missile. I like "Harpy" but you know the PC
>>fanatics would scream bloody murder. It flys, it's ugly, it's trying
>>to be many different beasties. . .seems appropriate.
>>

Harley W Daugherty

June 9th 04, 03:49 AM

"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
> Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>
> - Defender
> - Bumblebee
> - Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
> - Pegasus
> - Hailstorm
> - Harbinger
> - Valiant
>
> Any others lately?
>
> Rob

Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.

Harley

George

June 9th 04, 06:51 AM

"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in message et>...

> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
>
> Harley

That's about the only one I've heard that follows the USAF tradition
(at least the last three) of naming their fighter planes after birds
of prey. However, if we followed the Air Force trend, it may **** off
the swabbies.

Scott Ferrin

June 9th 04, 07:33 AM

On 8 Jun 2004 22:51:01 -0700, (George) wrote:

>"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in message et>...
>
>> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
>>
>> Harley
>
>
>That's about the only one I've heard that follows the USAF tradition
>(at least the last three) of naming their fighter planes after birds
>of prey. However, if we followed the Air Force trend, it may **** off
>the swabbies.

The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
Falcons, Hawks, and so forth. I liked it back in the day like
Republic with it's Thunder------ and Grumman with it's cats. It's not
really written in stone that it needs to be a bird. You can tell they
really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with
"Raptor".

Mortimer Schnerd, RN

June 9th 04, 08:00 AM

Scott Ferrin wrote:
> The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
> predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
> Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
> Falcons, Hawks, and so forth. I liked it back in the day like
> Republic with it's Thunder------ and Grumman with it's cats. It's not
> really written in stone that it needs to be a bird. You can tell they
> really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with
> "Raptor".

We're reused aircraft names in the past: the Corsair comes to immediate mind.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

John Cook

June 9th 04, 09:59 AM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:33:46 -0600, Scott Ferrin <> wrote:

>On 8 Jun 2004 22:51:01 -0700, (George) wrote:
>
>>"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in message et>...
>>
>>> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
>>>
>>> Harley
>>
>>
>>That's about the only one I've heard that follows the USAF tradition
>>(at least the last three) of naming their fighter planes after birds
>>of prey. However, if we followed the Air Force trend, it may **** off
>>the swabbies.
>
>
>The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
>Falcons, Hawks, and so forth. I liked it back in the day like
>Republic with it's Thunder------ and Grumman with it's cats. It's not
>really written in stone that it needs to be a bird. You can tell they
>really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with
>"Raptor".

There's always the 'Owls' to consider!!!, bear in mind the proposed
optics on the JSF it might just fit... 'Otus kennicottii' seems to
fit ;-)

Cheers
John Cook

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The Raven

June 9th 04, 11:51 AM

How about Camel Spider............

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"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
> Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>
> - Defender
> - Bumblebee
> - Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
> - Pegasus
> - Hailstorm
> - Harbinger
> - Valiant
>
> Any others lately?
>
> Rob

Scott Ferrin

June 9th 04, 03:06 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:59:42 +1000, John Cook >
wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:33:46 -0600, Scott Ferrin <> wrote:
>
>>On 8 Jun 2004 22:51:01 -0700, (George) wrote:
>>
>>>"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in message et>...
>>>
>>>> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
>>>>
>>>> Harley
>>>
>>>
>>>That's about the only one I've heard that follows the USAF tradition
>>>(at least the last three) of naming their fighter planes after birds
>>>of prey. However, if we followed the Air Force trend, it may **** off
>>>the swabbies.
>>
>>
>>The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>>predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>>Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
>>Falcons, Hawks, and so forth. I liked it back in the day like
>>Republic with it's Thunder------ and Grumman with it's cats. It's not
>>really written in stone that it needs to be a bird. You can tell they
>>really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with
>>"Raptor".
>
>There's always the 'Owls' to consider!!!, bear in mind the proposed
>optics on the JSF it might just fit... 'Otus kennicottii' seems to
>fit ;-)
>
>Cheers
>John Cook
>

With that engine it could be the F-35 Screech Owl :-)

Krztalizer

June 9th 04, 05:34 PM

Its a no brainer.

The F-35 Wasp.

Airyx

June 9th 04, 06:53 PM

Scott Ferrin <> wrote in message >...

> The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
> predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
> Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
> Falcons, Hawks, and so forth. I liked it back in the day like
> Republic with it's Thunder------ and Grumman with it's cats. It's not
> really written in stone that it needs to be a bird. You can tell they
> really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with
> "Raptor".

I think the JSF looks like a baby Raptor, maybe we should call it the
Raptor Chick. Maybe we can just paint them all black and call them the
Crows. Has ChickenHawk been used? Remember that little guy that used
to pester Foghorn Leghorn?

Airyx

June 9th 04, 06:54 PM

Steve

June 9th 04, 09:43 PM

Freedom Elz

June 9th 04, 10:03 PM

<Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
...
> On 8 Jun 2004 22:51:01 -0700, (George) wrote:
>
> >"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in message
et>...
> >
> >> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
> >>
> >> Harley
> >
> >
> >That's about the only one I've heard that follows the USAF tradition
> >(at least the last three) of naming their fighter planes after birds
> >of prey. However, if we followed the Air Force trend, it may **** off
> >the swabbies.
>
>
> The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
> predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
> Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
> Falcons, Hawks, and so forth.

I think Screech Owl would be a good one, don't think its ever been used.

Peter Twydell

June 9th 04, 11:34 PM

In article >, Freedom Elz
> writes
>
><Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
...
>> On 8 Jun 2004 22:51:01 -0700, (George) wrote:
>>
>> >"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in message
et>...
>> >
>> >> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
>> >>
>> >> Harley
>> >
>> >
>> >That's about the only one I've heard that follows the USAF tradition
>> >(at least the last three) of naming their fighter planes after birds
>> >of prey. However, if we followed the Air Force trend, it may **** off
>> >the swabbies.
>>
>>
>> The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>> predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>> Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
>> Falcons, Hawks, and so forth.
>
>I think Screech Owl would be a good one, don't think its ever been used.
>
>

The Do 17Z-6 and the Do 215B were called Kauz (= Screech Owl), and there
was the He 219 Uhu (= Eagle Owl), of course.

Don't forget the Curtiss O-52 Owl.

It's always a problem finding new names as practically everything with
an aggressive slant has been used in the past. Apart from barrel-
scrapings such as Raptor, that is. Rolls-Royce used birds of prey for
its piston engines, from Falcon to Merlin to Eagle, and the Miles
company also used them for its aircraft in the thirties and forties:
Falcon, Hobby, Sparrowhawk, etc.

Perhaps something astronomical (to match the costs) following Lockheed
tradition? Venus is topical right now, but I can't see that being used
somehow. Lockheed Nova? Shades of GM, and images of something going bang
in a bright flash...
The only star name I can find that begins with L is Lesath, and that's
not really too exciting.

How about Levitator for the VTOL version?
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

Paul J. Adam

June 9th 04, 11:47 PM

In message >, Scott Ferrin
> writes
>The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>Kestrel.

So the F-35 is the Kestrel II (same as the F-4 was the Phantom II, the
A-10 was the Thunderbolt II...) What's wrong with re-using a good name?
Navies do it all the time if they have enough ships.

I don't have a strong opinion but 'Kestrel II' seems at least
acceptable. For that matter, leave naming it late and if it seems to be
coming together well call it the "Lightning II" or the "Mustang II" or -
my favourite now I think of it - "Phantom III".

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Scott Ferrin

June 10th 04, 01:37 AM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:47:51 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
> wrote:

>In message >, Scott Ferrin
> writes
>>The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>>predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>>Kestrel.
>
>So the F-35 is the Kestrel II (same as the F-4 was the Phantom II, the
>A-10 was the Thunderbolt II...) What's wrong with re-using a good name?
>Navies do it all the time if they have enough ships.
>
>I don't have a strong opinion but 'Kestrel II' seems at least
>acceptable. For that matter, leave naming it late and if it seems to be
>coming together well call it the "Lightning II" or the "Mustang II" or -
>my favourite now I think of it - "Phantom III".

AFAIK two's and three's affixed to a name are generally only when they
are by the same manufacturer. Corsair & II both Vought, Phantom & II
McD, Thunderbolt & II Republic, Saber and SuperSaber NAA etc.
Thunderchief II would be cool (big, heavy single-seater with goofy
intakes). BTW is it the company or the buyer who gives it the
official name? Grumman, McDonnell, Republic, Boeing, Vought, all had
traditions they stuck to when it came to naming (with the exception of
the F-15 Eagle). North American, General Dynamics/Convair, Northrop
and Lockheed didn't seem to have any.

I was hoping for a Northrop win on the ATF and a "Black Widow II". Of
course that is both racist and sexist so it would have been a
nonstarter these days :-(

June 10th 04, 04:12 AM

"Freedom Elz" > wrote:
>
><Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
...
>> On 8 Jun 2004 22:51:01 -0700, (George) wrote:
>>
>> >"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in message
et>...
>> >
>> >> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
>> >>
>> >> Harley
>> >
>> >
>> >That's about the only one I've heard that follows the USAF tradition
>> >(at least the last three) of naming their fighter planes after birds
>> >of prey. However, if we followed the Air Force trend, it may **** off
>> >the swabbies.
>>
>>
>> The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>> predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>> Kestrel. Most of the bird types are taken. You already have Eagles,
>> Falcons, Hawks, and so forth.
>
>I think Screech Owl would be a good one, don't think its ever been used.

Nightjar
Harpy
Vampire (Bat)
Alien

John Keeney

June 10th 04, 07:25 AM

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
...
> Its a no brainer.
>
> The F-35 Wasp.

Name a plane after a carrier?

Krztalizer

June 10th 04, 07:42 AM

>
>>
>> The F-35 Wasp.
>
>Name a plane after a carrier?

Worked for the F/A-Teen.

Peter Stickney

June 10th 04, 02:08 PM

In article >,
Scott Ferrin <> writes:
>
> AFAIK two's and three's affixed to a name are generally only when they
> are by the same manufacturer. Corsair & II both Vought, Phantom & II
> McD, Thunderbolt & II Republic, Saber and SuperSaber NAA etc.

But the kicker there is that the isn't a whole lot of consistency -
the COrsair II sould actually have been the Corsair IV or V - The O2U
and )3U scouts/dive bombers were Corsairs. And why was teh F8U-3 the
Crusader III? Becasue teh F8U-2 (F-8D/E) were Crusader IIs, although
there was not a whole lot to deiierentiate them from the F8U-1s.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

Scott Ferrin

June 10th 04, 03:41 PM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:51:43 +1000, "The Raven"
> wrote:

>How about Camel Spider............

LOL That's GREAT. If they can use Black Widow I don't know why they
couldn't use Camel Spider. Or maybe use it on the next tank or
something.

Drewe Manton

June 10th 04, 04:20 PM

Favorite UK name so far is apparantly "Fury". FAA pilots have been told
that under *NO* circumstances will they be allowed to call it "Sea Fury"!

--
Regards
Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"

Drewe Manton

June 10th 04, 04:21 PM

"Harley W Daugherty" > wrote in news:0Vuxc.7398
:

> Kestrel, a small fast and maneuverable bird of prey.
>

That would leave them open to a whole host of trade descriptions lawsuits.
.. .

--
Regards
Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"

Pat Carpenter

June 10th 04, 07:53 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:43:47 +0100, Steve >
wrote:

>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>
>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>
>>- Defender
>>- Bumblebee
>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>- Pegasus
>>- Hailstorm
>>- Harbinger
>>- Valiant
>>
>>Any others lately?
>
>Blue Tit :-)

How about "Wraith"
Blue Skies
Pat Carpenter

Yeff

June 10th 04, 08:46 PM

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Pat Carpenter wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:43:47 +0100, Steve >
> wrote:
>
>>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>>
>>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>>
>>>- Defender
>>>- Bumblebee
>>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>>- Pegasus
>>>- Hailstorm
>>>- Harbinger
>>>- Valiant
>>>
>>>Any others lately?
>>
>>Blue Tit :-)
>
> How about "Wraith"
> Blue Skies
> Pat Carpenter

I don't like "Wraith" or "Blue Skies" but I'm all for naming the F-35 "Pat
Carpenter"...

--

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Pat Carpenter

June 11th 04, 02:25 AM

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:46:25 -0400, Yeff > wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Pat Carpenter wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:43:47 +0100, Steve >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>>>
>>>>- Defender
>>>>- Bumblebee
>>>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>>>- Pegasus
>>>>- Hailstorm
>>>>- Harbinger
>>>>- Valiant
>>>>
>>>>Any others lately?
>>>
>>>Blue Tit :-)
>>
>> How about "Wraith"
>> Blue Skies
>> Pat Carpenter
>
>I don't like "Wraith" or "Blue Skies" but I'm all for naming the F-35 "Pat
>Carpenter"...

Never thought of that but sounds good to me!

Blue Skies
Pat Carpenter

robert arndt

June 11th 04, 05:21 AM

Yeff > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Pat Carpenter wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:43:47 +0100, Steve >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
> >>
> >>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
> >>>
> >>>- Defender
> >>>- Bumblebee
> >>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
> >>>- Pegasus
> >>>- Hailstorm
> >>>- Harbinger
> >>>- Valiant
> >>>
> >>>Any others lately?
> >>
> >>Blue Tit :-)
> >
> > How about "Wraith"
> > Blue Skies
> > Pat Carpenter
>
> I don't like "Wraith" or "Blue Skies" but I'm all for naming the F-35 "Pat
> Carpenter"...

OK, if you're gonna go for names, how about the F-35 Rumsfeld (aka Buzzard)?

Rob

John Keeney

June 11th 04, 07:25 AM

<Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:51:43 +1000, "The Raven"
> > wrote:
>
> >How about Camel Spider............
>
>
> LOL That's GREAT. If they can use Black Widow I don't know why they
> couldn't use Camel Spider. Or maybe use it on the next tank or
> something.

But camel spiders are hideous, "wrong" looking things.
Hell, they're not even real concerned with being symmetric
and I doubt they're really spiders.

David McArthur

June 11th 04, 03:12 PM

How about calling it 'The Atkins' as it needs to lose about 3,500 pounds

David

(robert arndt) wrote in message >...
> Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>
> - Defender
> - Bumblebee
> - Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
> - Pegasus
> - Hailstorm
> - Harbinger
> - Valiant
>
> Any others lately?
>
> Rob

Lyle

June 11th 04, 07:40 PM

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:25:23 +0000 (UTC), Pat Carpenter
> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:46:25 -0400, Yeff > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Pat Carpenter wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:43:47 +0100, Steve >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 7 Jun 2004 23:38:08 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Last I heard the names being considered for the F-35 were:
>>>>>
>>>>>- Defender
>>>>>- Bumblebee
>>>>>- Gryphon (aka Griffin)... the top choice in 2002/3
>>>>>- Pegasus
>>>>>- Hailstorm
>>>>>- Harbinger
>>>>>- Valiant
>>>>>
>>>>>Any others lately?
>>>>
>>>>Blue Tit :-)
>>>
>>> How about "Wraith"
>>> Blue Skies
>>> Pat Carpenter
>>
>>I don't like "Wraith" or "Blue Skies" but I'm all for naming the F-35 "Pat
>>Carpenter"...
>
>Never thought of that but sounds good to me!
>
>
>Blue Skies
>Pat Carpenter

Since Raptor means " Bird of prey" i think the F-35 should go along
the same lines, and since the F-35 is designed to replace the F-16
also, i would call it the Kestrel wich is in the falcon family. what
sucks is that the V-22 is called the osprey, which is also a bird of
prey. that would be a good name for the VTOL version of the F-35,
since it is primarily going to the marines and friendly navies.

Denyav

June 11th 04, 07:44 PM

>ince Raptor means " Bird of prey" i think the F-35 should go along
>the same lines, and since the F-35 is designed to replace the F-16
>also, i would call it the Kestrel wich is in the falcon family. what
>sucks is that the V-22 is called the osprey, which is also a bird of
>prey. that would be a good name for the VTOL version of the F-

Kestrel was the name of the original version of Harrier.

Peter Twydell

June 11th 04, 11:22 PM

In article >, Denyav
> writes
>>ince Raptor means " Bird of prey" i think the F-35 should go along
>>the same lines, and since the F-35 is designed to replace the F-16
>>also, i would call it the Kestrel wich is in the falcon family. what
>>sucks is that the V-22 is called the osprey, which is also a bird of
>>prey. that would be a good name for the VTOL version of the F-
>
>Kestrel was the name of the original version of Harrier.

The original Hawker VTOL was the P.1127. The Kestrel was the next
development, used by the Tri-partite evaluation squadron
(UK/US/Germany). The Harrier was developed out of that aircraft.
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

Alisha's Addict

June 11th 04, 11:44 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:37:42 -0600, Scott Ferrin <> wrote:

>On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:47:51 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
> wrote:
>
>>In message >, Scott Ferrin
> writes
>>>The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>>>predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>>>Kestrel.
>>
>>So the F-35 is the Kestrel II (same as the F-4 was the Phantom II, the
>>A-10 was the Thunderbolt II...) What's wrong with re-using a good name?
>>Navies do it all the time if they have enough ships.
>>
>>I don't have a strong opinion but 'Kestrel II' seems at least
>>acceptable. For that matter, leave naming it late and if it seems to be
>>coming together well call it the "Lightning II" or the "Mustang II" or -
>>my favourite now I think of it - "Phantom III".
>
>AFAIK two's and three's affixed to a name are generally only when they
>are by the same manufacturer. Corsair & II both Vought, Phantom & II
>McD, Thunderbolt & II Republic, Saber and SuperSaber NAA etc.
>Thunderchief II would be cool (big, heavy single-seater with goofy
>intakes). BTW is it the company or the buyer who gives it the
>official name? Grumman, McDonnell, Republic, Boeing, Vought, all had
>traditions they stuck to when it came to naming (with the exception of
>the F-15 Eagle). North American, General Dynamics/Convair, Northrop
>and Lockheed didn't seem to have any.

Is there a trademarking thing about that ? Something like - Grumman
would hold the trademark for "F14 Tomcat" so an "F35 Tomcat II" (never
happen!) would infringe their trademark ? A better example would
probably be on nicking names like Tornado or Mirage. That would get
confusing.

Probably more of an issue for current or recent in service aircraft
like the Jaguar, Phantom II and others where my head is ringing too
much to remember. (got hit on the noggin playing cricket yesterday -
was wearing helmet ;-)

>I was hoping for a Northrop win on the ATF and a "Black Widow II". Of
>course that is both racist and sexist so it would have been a
>nonstarter these days :-(

My votes - the silly one is F-35 Dodo or Ostrich - no prizes as to
part of the inspiration there ...
Sensible vote would be F-35 Condor. The name should be that of a bird
of prey and all the rest seem to have been taken ... Although "Condor
aircraft" is throwing up trademark type results on Google, which might
exclude that.

Lightning would be a fun one :-) (thinking of the EE Lightning II
there)

Pete Lilleyman

(please get rid of ".getrid" to reply direct)
(don't get rid of the dontspam though ;-)

Alisha's Addict

June 11th 04, 11:49 PM

On 11 Jun 2004 07:12:52 -0700, (David McArthur)
wrote:

>How about calling it 'The Atkins' as it needs to lose about 3,500 pounds
>
>David

Have you heard the one about Lift Demons powering aircraft ? I reckon
the F35 has gained so much weight because the X35 lift Demon, on
winning the competition, celebrated by eating the losing Lift Demon
that was powering the Boeing competitor. That celebratory feast has
since proven too much for the LM Lift Demon, causing it to put on too
much weight.

Pete Lilleyman

(please get rid of ".getrid" to reply direct)
(don't get rid of the dontspam though ;-)

Scott Ferrin

June 12th 04, 01:57 AM

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:44:39 GMT, Alisha's Addict
> wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:37:42 -0600, Scott Ferrin <> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:47:51 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
> wrote:
>>
>>>In message >, Scott Ferrin
> writes
>>>>The thing is the Kestrel has already been used. The Harrier
>>>>predecessor/prototype/experimental thing-a-ma-bob was called the
>>>>Kestrel.
>>>
>>>So the F-35 is the Kestrel II (same as the F-4 was the Phantom II, the
>>>A-10 was the Thunderbolt II...) What's wrong with re-using a good name?
>>>Navies do it all the time if they have enough ships.
>>>
>>>I don't have a strong opinion but 'Kestrel II' seems at least
>>>acceptable. For that matter, leave naming it late and if it seems to be
>>>coming together well call it the "Lightning II" or the "Mustang II" or -
>>>my favourite now I think of it - "Phantom III".
>>
>>AFAIK two's and three's affixed to a name are generally only when they
>>are by the same manufacturer. Corsair & II both Vought, Phantom & II
>>McD, Thunderbolt & II Republic, Saber and SuperSaber NAA etc.
>>Thunderchief II would be cool (big, heavy single-seater with goofy
>>intakes). BTW is it the company or the buyer who gives it the
>>official name? Grumman, McDonnell, Republic, Boeing, Vought, all had
>>traditions they stuck to when it came to naming (with the exception of
>>the F-15 Eagle). North American, General Dynamics/Convair, Northrop
>>and Lockheed didn't seem to have any.
>
>Is there a trademarking thing about that ? Something like - Grumman
>would hold the trademark for "F14 Tomcat" so an "F35 Tomcat II" (never
>happen!) would infringe their trademark ? A better example would
>probably be on nicking names like Tornado or Mirage. That would get
>confusing.

Apparently that's why the F-16 ended up with the dorky name of
"Fighting Falcon". It seem the French whined that people might
confuse the fighter with their business jet if they had the same name.

Scott Ferrin

June 12th 04, 02:05 AM

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:25:57 -0400, "John Keeney" >
wrote:

>
><Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:51:43 +1000, "The Raven"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >How about Camel Spider............
>>
>>
>> LOL That's GREAT. If they can use Black Widow I don't know why they
>> couldn't use Camel Spider. Or maybe use it on the next tank or
>> something.
>
>But camel spiders are hideous, "wrong" looking things.
>Hell, they're not even real concerned with being symmetric
>and I doubt they're really spiders.
>

They're bilaterally symetric but ugly nontheless. They're not spiders
but Solifugids. They have two sets of independantly articulating jaws
(freaky to watch them chewing stuff up), are not venomous and are
reputed to have the strongest bite power per pound of anything but
personally I think that is an exageration. Ants or termites would be
my guess. They'd be a lot more well known except they don't do well
in captivity so people don't keep them like tarantulas. Speaking as
someone who has a T and is familiar with the hobby I can say a lot of
people would like to have them if they lived longer in captivity.
They're just too cool looking :-)

John Keeney

June 12th 04, 09:13 AM

<Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:25:57 -0400, "John Keeney" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> ><Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:51:43 +1000, "The Raven"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >How about Camel Spider............
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL That's GREAT. If they can use Black Widow I don't know why they
> >> couldn't use Camel Spider. Or maybe use it on the next tank or
> >> something.
> >
> >But camel spiders are hideous, "wrong" looking things.
> >Hell, they're not even real concerned with being symmetric
> >and I doubt they're really spiders.
> >
>
> They're bilaterally symetric but ugly nontheless. They're not spiders
> but Solifugids. They have two sets of independantly articulating jaws

OK, maybe, *MAYBE* they're born and supposed to grow that way but
I'm yet to see an example of one that wasn't missing the ends of at least
one of that too large number of legs.

> (freaky to watch them chewing stuff up), are not venomous and are
> reputed to have the strongest bite power per pound of anything but
> personally I think that is an exageration. Ants or termites would be
> my guess. They'd be a lot more well known except they don't do well
> in captivity so people don't keep them like tarantulas. Speaking as
> someone who has a T and is familiar with the hobby I can say a lot of
> people would like to have them if they lived longer in captivity.
> They're just too cool looking :-)
>

Scott Ferrin

June 13th 04, 03:29 AM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:13:55 -0400, "John Keeney" >
wrote:

>
><Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:25:57 -0400, "John Keeney" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> ><Scott Ferrin> wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:51:43 +1000, "The Raven"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >How about Camel Spider............
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> LOL That's GREAT. If they can use Black Widow I don't know why they
>> >> couldn't use Camel Spider. Or maybe use it on the next tank or
>> >> something.
>> >
>> >But camel spiders are hideous, "wrong" looking things.
>> >Hell, they're not even real concerned with being symmetric
>> >and I doubt they're really spiders.
>> >
>>
>> They're bilaterally symetric but ugly nontheless. They're not spiders
>> but Solifugids. They have two sets of independantly articulating jaws
>
>OK, maybe, *MAYBE* they're born and supposed to grow that way but
>I'm yet to see an example of one that wasn't missing the ends of at least
>one of that too large number of legs.

I don't know about Solifugids/SunSpiders/CamelSpiders/WindScorpions
(they're all the same) but for tarantulas losing a limb is nothing.
There's currently one I know of that had a bad molt and only has three
legs (and I think it's missing it's fangs too) and it's probably going
to make it from the looks of it.

>
>> (freaky to watch them chewing stuff up), are not venomous and are
>> reputed to have the strongest bite power per pound of anything but
>> personally I think that is an exageration. Ants or termites would be
>> my guess. They'd be a lot more well known except they don't do well
>> in captivity so people don't keep them like tarantulas. Speaking as
>> someone who has a T and is familiar with the hobby I can say a lot of
>> people would like to have them if they lived longer in captivity.
>> They're just too cool looking :-)

John Cook

June 14th 04, 12:19 AM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:39:16 +0200, "Emmanuel Gustin"
> wrote:

>"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
>
>> Any others lately?
>
>"Trilithon"

A very good name!, but you may have to convert that into something the
US would digest...

'Rocky' perhaps!...

Cheers

>
>(On account of the three-in-one design and its reported weight
>problems.)

John Cook

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David McArthur

June 14th 04, 01:24 PM

Alisha's Addict > wrote in message >...
> On 11 Jun 2004 07:12:52 -0700, (David McArthur)
> wrote:
>
> >How about calling it 'The Atkins' as it needs to lose about 3,500 pounds
> >
> >David
>
> Have you heard the one about Lift Demons powering aircraft ? I reckon
> the F35 has gained so much weight because the X35 lift Demon, on
> winning the competition, celebrated by eating the losing Lift Demon
> that was powering the Boeing competitor. That celebratory feast has
> since proven too much for the LM Lift Demon, causing it to put on too
> much weight.
>
> Pete Lilleyman
>
> (please get rid of ".getrid" to reply direct)
> (don't get rid of the dontspam though ;-)

reminds me of a Jo Brand joke:

"inside every fat person there's a thin person trying to get out
....it's because we eat them"

David