Bush will Attempt to Steal the Election

[WalterM140]

>>"TALLAHASSEE =B7 The head of Florida's elections division resigned =
Monday=20
>>amid reports he was feeling political heat over a push to purge=20
>>thousands of suspected felons from the state's voter rolls."
>><http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-felection08jun08,0,=
24
>>24064.story?coll=3Dsfla-news-florida>
>>or
>>http://tinyurl.com/2m568
>>
>It's much worse than that.
>Today's New York Times:
>"If election officials want to convince voters that electronic voting =
can be
>trusted, they should be willing to make it at least as secure as slot =
machines.
>>><<<

There are more stories about the software, how easy it is to change
results, resistance to using a paper receipt, very odd vote counts
where computerized voting is used, etc..

http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1171usavotes.html
Beware computers that count votes
>>
O'Dell who is the chairman of the board of Diebold Election=20
Systems, the second largest company in the US that counts votes=20
is quoted as saying that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver=20
its electoral votes to [George W Bush] in 2004".

On occasion, O'Dell hangs out at the Bush ranch in Crawford,=20
Texas. He hosted a US$600,000 fundraiser for the Bush-Cheney=20
campaign in Ohio in which Cheney was the featured speaker.

Questions began to swirl about Diebold's vote-counting machines=20
soon after they began securing lucrative contracts under Bush's=20
"Help America Vote Act", which provides US$3.9 billion to the=20
states to help finance a total shift to electronic voting by=20
2006.
>>
Three corporations own the hardware and software used to count=20
about 80 percent of the votes cast electronically in the US.

A striking fact about the boards of these companies is the=20
presence of former CIA directors, including James Woolsey, Bobby=20
Ray Inman, John Deutch, and Gates and Carlucci. When has the CIA=20
been pro-democracy? Why this keen interest in voting technology?
>>


Walt

[Vaughn]

"WalterM140" > wrote in message
...
> There are more stories about the software, how easy it is to change
> results, resistance to using a paper receipt, very odd vote counts
> where computerized voting is used, etc..
>
And the connection to things military and aviation is...? One more
stump-troll on my list.

[George Z. Bush]

WalterM140 wrote:
>>> "TALLAHASSEE =B7 The head of Florida's elections division resigned =
>>> Monday=20 amid reports he was feeling political heat over a push to purge=20
>>> thousands of suspected felons from the state's voter rolls."
>>> <http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-felection08jun08,0,= 24
>>> 24064.story?coll=3Dsfla-news-florida>
>>> or
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2m568
>>>
>> It's much worse than that.
>> Today's New York Times:
>> "If election officials want to convince voters that electronic voting = can
>> be trusted, they should be willing to make it at least as secure as slot =
> machines.
>>>> <<<
>
> There are more stories about the software, how easy it is to change
> results, resistance to using a paper receipt, very odd vote counts
> where computerized voting is used, etc..
>
> http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1171usavotes.html
> Beware computers that count votes
>>>
> O'Dell who is the chairman of the board of Diebold Election=20
> Systems, the second largest company in the US that counts votes=20
> is quoted as saying that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver=20
> its electoral votes to [George W Bush] in 2004".
>
> On occasion, O'Dell hangs out at the Bush ranch in Crawford,=20
> Texas. He hosted a US$600,000 fundraiser for the Bush-Cheney=20
> campaign in Ohio in which Cheney was the featured speaker.
>
> Questions began to swirl about Diebold's vote-counting machines=20
> soon after they began securing lucrative contracts under Bush's=20
> "Help America Vote Act", which provides US$3.9 billion to the=20
> states to help finance a total shift to electronic voting by=20
> 2006.
>>>
> Three corporations own the hardware and software used to count=20
> about 80 percent of the votes cast electronically in the US.
>
> A striking fact about the boards of these companies is the=20
> presence of former CIA directors, including James Woolsey, Bobby=20
> Ray Inman, John Deutch, and Gates and Carlucci. When has the CIA=20
> been pro-democracy? Why this keen interest in voting technology?

Would you mind posting the names of the other two corporations who, along with
Diebold, seem to control the lion's share of the electronic vote counting
equipment available in the US?

Incidentally, I went to the Diebold web site and found a search page there for
the use of the public in getting information about Diebold. I punched in both
"Names of Directors" and "List of Directors" and was informed both times that
there was no such information available. Isn't that interesting, much less
remarkable??

George Z.
>>>
>
>
> Walt

[George Z. Bush]

Vaughn wrote:
> "WalterM140" > wrote in message
> ...
>> There are more stories about the software, how easy it is to change
>> results, resistance to using a paper receipt, very odd vote counts
>> where computerized voting is used, etc..
>>
> And the connection to things military and aviation is...? One more
> stump-troll on my list.

One would like to think that the military are not so brain dead that they've
completely lost their interest in voting in national elections. In case you
weren't paying attention, there were questions about military voting in the last
election and some of us are interested in the steps taken to insure that such
problems, if indeed they existed, do not pop up in the next election.

If that qualifies me for your list, add me to it if it makes you feel better.
I'll survive the experience.

George Z.

[WalterM140]

>Would you mind posting the names of the other two corporations who, along
>with
>Diebold, seem to control the lion's share of the electronic vote counting
>equipment available in the US?

Don't heve 'em George. I'm looking though.

Walt

[ArVa]

"George Z. Bush" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> >
>
> Would you mind posting the names of the other two corporations who, along
with
> Diebold, seem to control the lion's share of the electronic vote counting
> equipment available in the US?

The three companies are Diebold, Sequoia, et ES&S (Election Systems and
Software).
There was a very interesting, detailed (and definitely scary) article a few
months ago in the Independent newspaper about the multiple failures, passed
and probably to come, of the new electronic voting machines. Generally
speaking, I must say your votings habits and customs seem a bit strange seen
from "Old Europe"... :-)
We do have some local experiments with voting machines here but the security
measures are far more drastic than those applied in the United States (for
instance, people always get a receipt), and people still have the choice
between pushing a button or slipping a sealed enveloppe in a ballot box to
cast their vote.


>
> Incidentally, I went to the Diebold web site and found a search page there
for
> the use of the public in getting information about Diebold. I punched in
both
> "Names of Directors" and "List of Directors" and was informed both times
that
> there was no such information available. Isn't that interesting, much
less
> remarkable??

A pretty common phenomenon with poor quality on-site search engines. Try the
"Investors" link on the main page, you should find all the informations you
were looking for.


Regards,
ArVa

[Marc Reeve]

WalterM140 > wrote:

> >Would you mind posting the names of the other two corporations who, along
> >with
> >Diebold, seem to control the lion's share of the electronic vote counting
> >equipment available in the US?
>
> Don't heve 'em George. I'm looking though.
>
One is Electronic Systems and Software, of Omaha, Nebraska.

Sequoia Voting Systems of Oakland, CA is big in California, but I don't
know how much national share they have.
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m

[WalterM140]

This week:

TALLAHASSEE ·

The head of Florida's elections division resigned Monday amid reports he was
feeling political heat over a push to purge thousands of suspected felons from
the state's voter rolls. Ed Kast, who has worked for the state elections
division for more than a decade, said only that he was resigning to "pursue
other opportunities."

But Kast has told a handful of associates that he was uncomfortable with
growing pressure to trim felons from voter rolls in time for the fall election,
friends say. "I've known him for 20 years, and I believe he has acted because
under the circumstances it's the only thing he could do," said Leon County
Election Supervisor Ion Sancho, past president of the Florida State Association
of Supervisors of Elections. "Ed had made a number of comments that the nature
and timing of this felons list was not something he was responsible for. I
think he felt in good conscience he could no longer be involved in the
operations." Hours earlier, U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson joined a lawsuit to force
state election officials to reveal the names of 47,000 suspected felons who
could be dropped from voting lists, saying he wanted to be sure mistakes in
2000 are not repeated. "This year, Ohio and Florida are looked upon as the two
states that could decide the presidential election and we just can't go through
this again," the Florida Democrat said. In the 2000 election, which President
Bush won after taking Florida by 537 votes over Al Gore, there were accusations
that thousands were wrongly disenfranchised when the state purged the voter
roles of suspected felons. Even a former state Republican Party executive
called Kast's resignation "very strange." "The timing is very suspicious,"
said Geoffrey Becker, now a GOP consultant. "I know there's a lot of concern
about getting out the message that voting is OK this time." Kast's sudden
resignation was the No. 1 topic for county election supervisors from around the
state who gathered Monday in Key West for a five-day meeting, a conference
where Kast is scheduled to appear. Kast, 53, told The Associated Press he
wasn't resigning because of any problems at the agency. He said he simply
wanted to pursue other interests after working at the Department of State since
1994. "I just thought that this was the time to do it," Kast said. "I'm not
getting any younger." Secretary of State Glenda Hood, who accepted Kast's
resignation, did not return messages. Hood named Dawn Roberts, the agency's
attorney and a former legislative election specialist, to replace Kast. Groups
who have criticized the felon purge efforts seized on the announcement within
minutes. "It's a sign of serious disarray and instability," said Sharon
Lettman, state director for People For the American Way Foundation. Bob
Mahlburg can be reached at bmahlburgorlandosentinel.com or 850-222-5564.

Copyright © 2004, South Florida Sun-Sentinel <http://www.sun-sentinel.com>

[miso]

It's no big secret that people in counties with electronic voting are
going to vote absentee for the 2004 election. No way will we let Bush
steal another election.

There is also no way that Florida military ballots will be accepted
this year without time stamps. This is because the GOP knows the
military votes will be for Kerry.



(WalterM140) wrote in message >...
> >>"TALLAHASSEE =B7 The head of Florida's elections division resigned =
> Monday=20
> >>amid reports he was feeling political heat over a push to purge=20
> >>thousands of suspected felons from the state's voter rolls."
> >><http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-felection08jun08,0,=
> 24
> >>24064.story?coll=3Dsfla-news-florida>
> >>or
> >>http://tinyurl.com/2m568
> >>
> >It's much worse than that.
> >Today's New York Times:
> >"If election officials want to convince voters that electronic voting =
> can be
> >trusted, they should be willing to make it at least as secure as slot =
> machines.
> >>><<<
>
> There are more stories about the software, how easy it is to change
> results, resistance to using a paper receipt, very odd vote counts
> where computerized voting is used, etc..
>
> http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1171usavotes.html
> Beware computers that count votes
> >>
> O'Dell who is the chairman of the board of Diebold Election=20
> Systems, the second largest company in the US that counts votes=20
> is quoted as saying that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver=20
> its electoral votes to [George W Bush] in 2004".
>
> On occasion, O'Dell hangs out at the Bush ranch in Crawford,=20
> Texas. He hosted a US$600,000 fundraiser for the Bush-Cheney=20
> campaign in Ohio in which Cheney was the featured speaker.
>
> Questions began to swirl about Diebold's vote-counting machines=20
> soon after they began securing lucrative contracts under Bush's=20
> "Help America Vote Act", which provides US$3.9 billion to the=20
> states to help finance a total shift to electronic voting by=20
> 2006.
> >>
> Three corporations own the hardware and software used to count=20
> about 80 percent of the votes cast electronically in the US.
>
> A striking fact about the boards of these companies is the=20
> presence of former CIA directors, including James Woolsey, Bobby=20
> Ray Inman, John Deutch, and Gates and Carlucci. When has the CIA=20
> been pro-democracy? Why this keen interest in voting technology?
> >>
>
>
> Walt

[Mark R Mayfield]

> There is also no way that Florida military ballots will be accepted
> this year without time stamps. This is because the GOP knows the
> military votes will be for Kerry.
>
Mine won't.

[George Z. Bush]

"Mark R Mayfield" > wrote in message
...
>
> > There is also no way that Florida military ballots will be accepted
> > this year without time stamps. This is because the GOP knows the
> > military votes will be for Kerry.
> >
> Mine won't.

I imagine that there might be a few who have had their overseas tours in Iraq or
Afghanistan involuntarily extended or their enlistments involuntarily frozen
who will, especially among the NG and/or Res components.

George Z.

[Pete]

"miso" > wrote
>
> There is also no way that Florida military ballots will be accepted
> this year without time stamps. This is because the GOP knows the
> military votes will be for Kerry.
>

You owe me a new keyboard.

Pete

[Kevin Brooks]

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mark R Mayfield" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > > There is also no way that Florida military ballots will be accepted
> > > this year without time stamps. This is because the GOP knows the
> > > military votes will be for Kerry.
> > >
> > Mine won't.
>
> I imagine that there might be a few who have had their overseas tours in
Iraq or
> Afghanistan involuntarily extended or their enlistments involuntarily
frozen
> who will, especially among the NG and/or Res components.

Let's see...from CBS:

"Kerry trails President Bush by a wide margin, 54 percent to 40 percent,
among those who have served in the military. Those numbers contrast with
Kerry's 49 to 41 percent lead among all voters in a CBS News poll conducted
May 20-23. "

I doubt the numbers will be drastically different for folks who are still
serving in the military, so your theory seems to be a bit shaky, to say the
least.

Brooks

>
> George Z.
>
>

[WalterM140]

>I doubt the numbers will be drastically different for folks who are still
>serving in the military, so your theory seems to be a bit shaky, to say the
>least.

Heard a mother from Ohio with two Marine sons in Iraq interviewed on the radio.

She said she couldn't even stand to hear Bush speak.

Walt

[Brett]

"WalterM140" > wrote:
> >I doubt the numbers will be drastically different for folks who are still
> >serving in the military, so your theory seems to be a bit shaky, to say
the
> >least.
>
> Heard a mother from Ohio with two Marine sons in Iraq interviewed on the
radio.
>
> She said she couldn't even stand to hear Bush speak.

What opinion did their father hold and what opinion do the sons hold?