Leopard 2 Still the Best

[robert arndt]

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M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:

- anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
- modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
- a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
- DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
and DU round
- been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial

Rob

[Scott Ferrin]

On 17 Jun 2004 07:31:01 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

>http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/index.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
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>M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:

Sounds like a sore loser if I ever heard one.



>
>- anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't


Such as?



>- modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
>and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't

According to that report you've been siting so much the M1A2's is
better still. But hey, the Leopard II is good enough for forth place.




>- a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
>fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't

And can be heard for how many miles?



>- DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
>and DU round

Because you say so? Doubtful the thing is even as effective as an L44
with the M829A2 let alone the M829E3.



>- been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial

Most likely because they go into hysterics every time they think about
DU armor.


>
>Rob

[B2431]

>From: (robert arndt)
>Date: 6/17/2004 9:31 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
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>http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/ind
ex.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
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>M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:
>
>- anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
>- modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
>and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
>- a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
>fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
>- DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
>and DU round
>- been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial
>
>Rob

You got all that by the manufacturer's brochure? Amazing, but it doesn't say
that. I suppose you have other verifiable cites and sources other that your
usual UFO sites?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Lyle]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:47:23 -0600, Scott Ferrin <> wrote:

>On 17 Jun 2004 07:31:01 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:
>
>>http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/index.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
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>>M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:
>
>Sounds like a sore loser if I ever heard one.
>
>
>
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>>- anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
>
>
>Such as?
>
>
>
>>- modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
>>and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
>
>According to that report you've been siting so much the M1A2's is
>better still. But hey, the Leopard II is good enough for forth place.
>
>
>
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>>- a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
>>fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
>
>And can be heard for how many miles?
the agt1500 engine in the abrams has been out of production since like
1992, and is 1960's technology. and the reliability and cost problems
relate to this. its like fixing the engine of a B-52. Even though the
crusader is cancelled their is talk ofalso putting its engine into the
abrams.
here is a little info on the engine.
http://www.geae.com/engines/military/lv100/spotlight_meet_objective.html

and dont forget that unlike diesel, you can use almost anything as
fuel in the M1
info on the agt1500 turbine engine.
http://www.honeywellaerospace.com/pdf/AGT1500Turbine.pdf
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>
>
>>- DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
>>and DU round
>
>Because you say so? Doubtful the thing is even as effective as an L44
>with the M829A2 let alone the M829E3.
>
>
>
>>- been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial
>
>Most likely because they go into hysterics every time they think about
>DU armor.
>
>
>>
>>Rob

[Gunnar]

"robert arndt" > skrev i melding
m...
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http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/index.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
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> M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:
>
> - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
> - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
> and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
> - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
> fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
> - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
> and DU round
> - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial
>
> Rob


But it flies like ****....!

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, robert
arndt > writes
>http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/in
>dex.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
>
>M-1A2 is dogmeat.

Which presumably explains the dismal failure of the Abrams family every
time they're sent into combat, compared to the stellar fighting history
and long combat experience of the Leo2s?

Now personally I'd say the Challenger 2 has some minor edges over the
M1A2 as well as vice versa (like CR2 has an APU under armour, more
ammunition and so on) but that both tanks (and the Leo2 as well,
actually) were damn good vehicles to take into combat and the
differences are largely a matter of preference and style.



--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

[Zamboni]

"robert arndt" > wrote in message
m...
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http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/index.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
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> M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:
>
> - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
> - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
> and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
> - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
> fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
> - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
> and DU round
> - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial
>
> Rob
>
But how many will fit in a EU heavy transport plane?

[Scott Ferrin]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:04:44 -0700, "Zamboni" >
wrote:

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>"robert arndt" > wrote in message
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>http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/index.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
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>> M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:
>>
>> - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
>> - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
>> and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
>> - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
>> fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
>> - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
>> and DU round
>> - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial
>>
>> Rob
>>
>But how many will fit in a EU heavy transport plane?
>


Same as a Leopard II- none. :-)

[B2431]

>From: "Zamboni"
>Date: 6/21/2004 1:04 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
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>"robert arndt" > wrote in message
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>http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/ind
ex.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
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>> M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:
>>
>> - anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
>> - modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
>> and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
>> - a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
>> fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
>> - DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
>> and DU round
>> - been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial
>>
>> Rob
>>
>But how many will fit in a EU heavy transport plane?

What EU heavy transport planes?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Alan Minyard]

On 17 Jun 2004 07:31:01 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

>http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kmweg.de/english/index.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKMW,%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
>
>M-1A2 is dogmeat. Leo 2 has:
>
>- anti-top attack missile protection- M1A2 doesn't
>- modular, spaced, and laminate armor plus reinforced inner turrret
>and Kevlar liners for crew protection- M1A2 doesn't
>- a 1,550 hp turbodiesel which gets better gas milage, consumes less
>fuel and air, and has a reduced heat signatire- M1A2 doesn't
>- DM 53 ammo plus L55 main gun- just as lethal as M1A2 with L44 copy
>and DU round
>- been adopted by most of Europe- M1A2 rejected in every Euro-trial
>
>Rob

Euro trial?? You must be kidding. The Leo is a nice tank, but it is not, rpt
not, "superior" to the M1. Guderian is dead, get over it.

Al Minyard