RPG-Man MPEG Launcher Footage -Closer Examination-Interesting

[McNeil]

http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg

There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming
a rocket launcher at ???

and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do.


Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at
this guy were fired from behind.

The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same
thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him.

Here is how I came to that conclusion...

I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media
Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action
many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage,
so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want
to)

From the time that the shooting begins, until the shooting stops with
the guy laying dead on the ground is only about 5-6 seconds-tops-and
quite a lot happens. In fact, the action is so fast and intense, the
guy literally never knew what hit him.

As you space through the sequence, you can begin to see how the shots
unfold.

But, by stopping the footage in "mid frame" so to speak, I started
noticing that there was a "streak" coming from about a thirty degree
angle from behind, hitting the ground just in back of him, and
ricocheting up, and hitting (wounding) him in the lower left side of
the back. (If it was a .223, he might have lived from this shot)

But, spacing through farther, You can see the second shot (again from
an angle of about thirty degrees, and behind him (and probably from
the same gun) hits the ground several feet behind him and ricocheting
up to hit him right behind the left ear, blowing the back side of his
head open. (listening carefully to the audio, you deer hunters will
also recognize the distinctive "thwack" of a bullet hitting flesh, as
the ricocheted bullet hits him in the left side of the head)

Milliseconds AFTER the second shot ricochets up to hit him, the tracer
round ricochets off the ground (from behind him, and to his right)
never touching him. By stopping and starting the sequence in mid
frame, you can tell by the sound of the tracer ricocheting off the
ground that it never touches him.

All of the shots, including the tracer round, appear to be fired from
behind and above him (downwards) The disappearing light trail of the
tracer goes from right to left in the frame.

The light trail from the tracer "appears" to be from a slightly
different angle, and the sound that the weapon that fired that round
sounds different, possibly farther away, possibly a different caliber,
or possibly the round retort was muffled by buildings, etc.

Unless you stop/start the sequence, mid frame by mid frame, it appears
that he was shot from the front.
----
Interesting note:

He seems to be completely unaware of the (hidden) person standing in
front of him, and to his right, and even with a high resolution cad
monitor, the resolution is so grainy, that I cannot determine if that
guy is a soldier, or??? or armed??? This (hidden) person emerges after
the dead guy hits the dirt, and appears to be holding something in his
hand. (possibly a weapon) Obviously this guy is not threat to the
person in the foreground wearing red.

Also, if the armed guy standing next to the camera man is his enemy,
he is not taking a defensive position. I don't know enough about the
local culture to tell if the guy (foreground, armed) is of the same
"tribe" he is wearing red markings and the dead guy is wearing gray
markings.

Possibly someone that is familiar with local culture can enlighten us
about those markings.

One last thing:

I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was
aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems
strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the
audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for
the media or something equally as sinister.

McNeil

http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg

[Mark and Kim Smith]

You can plainly see that the shot came from the grassy knoll. Right
where the hobo was running from. ( Sorry, couldn't resist! )

McNeil wrote:

>http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg
>
>There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming
>a rocket launcher at ???
>
>and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do.
>
>
>Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at
>this guy were fired from behind.
>
>The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same
>thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him.
>
>Here is how I came to that conclusion...
>
>I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media
>Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action
>many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage,
>so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want
>to)
>
>From the time that the shooting begins, until the shooting stops with
>the guy laying dead on the ground is only about 5-6 seconds-tops-and
>quite a lot happens. In fact, the action is so fast and intense, the
>guy literally never knew what hit him.
>
>As you space through the sequence, you can begin to see how the shots
>unfold.
>
>But, by stopping the footage in "mid frame" so to speak, I started
>noticing that there was a "streak" coming from about a thirty degree
>angle from behind, hitting the ground just in back of him, and
>ricocheting up, and hitting (wounding) him in the lower left side of
>the back. (If it was a .223, he might have lived from this shot)
>
>But, spacing through farther, You can see the second shot (again from
>an angle of about thirty degrees, and behind him (and probably from
>the same gun) hits the ground several feet behind him and ricocheting
>up to hit him right behind the left ear, blowing the back side of his
>head open. (listening carefully to the audio, you deer hunters will
>also recognize the distinctive "thwack" of a bullet hitting flesh, as
>the ricocheted bullet hits him in the left side of the head)
>
>Milliseconds AFTER the second shot ricochets up to hit him, the tracer
>round ricochets off the ground (from behind him, and to his right)
>never touching him. By stopping and starting the sequence in mid
>frame, you can tell by the sound of the tracer ricocheting off the
>ground that it never touches him.
>
>All of the shots, including the tracer round, appear to be fired from
>behind and above him (downwards) The disappearing light trail of the
>tracer goes from right to left in the frame.
>
>The light trail from the tracer "appears" to be from a slightly
>different angle, and the sound that the weapon that fired that round
>sounds different, possibly farther away, possibly a different caliber,
>or possibly the round retort was muffled by buildings, etc.
>
>Unless you stop/start the sequence, mid frame by mid frame, it appears
>that he was shot from the front.
>----
>Interesting note:
>
>He seems to be completely unaware of the (hidden) person standing in
>front of him, and to his right, and even with a high resolution cad
>monitor, the resolution is so grainy, that I cannot determine if that
>guy is a soldier, or??? or armed??? This (hidden) person emerges after
>the dead guy hits the dirt, and appears to be holding something in his
>hand. (possibly a weapon) Obviously this guy is not threat to the
>person in the foreground wearing red.
>
>Also, if the armed guy standing next to the camera man is his enemy,
>he is not taking a defensive position. I don't know enough about the
>local culture to tell if the guy (foreground, armed) is of the same
>"tribe" he is wearing red markings and the dead guy is wearing gray
>markings.
>
>Possibly someone that is familiar with local culture can enlighten us
>about those markings.
>
>One last thing:
>
>I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was
>aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems
>strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the
>audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for
>the media or something equally as sinister.
>
>McNeil
>
> http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg
>
>

[Pete]

"McNeil" > wrote
> http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg
>
> There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming
> a rocket launcher at ???
>
> and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do.
>
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at
> this guy were fired from behind.
>
> The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same
> thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him.
>
> Here is how I came to that conclusion...
>
> I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media
> Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action
> many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage,
> so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want
> to)

Only if you watched in reverse.

With a better video editor that allows better frame by frame, you can
clearly see the rounds coming from the left.

He is hit at least 3 times
Lower abdomen (This exits downward out the back, to the right of the frame)
Head (exits downward, to the right. Impacts the ground very near a missed
round, slightly closer to the camera)
Just below the neck, with a tracer round (Exits upward, again to the right)

Even at normal speed, you can see the tracers coming from the left.

Pete

[Ron]

>>
>>I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was
>>aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems
>>strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the
>>audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for
>>the media or something equally as sinister.
>>
>>McNeil
>>
>> http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg

Sounded to me like they were saying Allah Akbar just before he got hit..
Ron
PA-31T Cheyenne II
Maharashtra Weather Modification Program
Pune, India

[McNeil]

Mark and Kim Smith > wrote in message >...
> You can plainly see that the shot came from the grassy knoll. Right
> where the hobo was running from. ( Sorry, couldn't resist! )

That's otay pankee! (Buckwheat)


>
> McNeil wrote:
>
> >http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg
> >
> >There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming
> >a rocket launcher at ???
> >
> >and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do.
> >
> >
> >Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at
> >this guy were fired from behind.
> >
> >The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same
> >thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him.
> >
> >Here is how I came to that conclusion...
> >
> >I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media
> >Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action
> >many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage,
> >so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want
> >to)
> >
> >From the time that the shooting begins, until the shooting stops with
> >the guy laying dead on the ground is only about 5-6 seconds-tops-and
> >quite a lot happens. In fact, the action is so fast and intense, the
> >guy literally never knew what hit him.
> >
> >As you space through the sequence, you can begin to see how the shots
> >unfold.
> >
> >But, by stopping the footage in "mid frame" so to speak, I started
> >noticing that there was a "streak" coming from about a thirty degree
> >angle from behind, hitting the ground just in back of him, and
> >ricocheting up, and hitting (wounding) him in the lower left side of
> >the back. (If it was a .223, he might have lived from this shot)
> >
> >But, spacing through farther, You can see the second shot (again from
> >an angle of about thirty degrees, and behind him (and probably from
> >the same gun) hits the ground several feet behind him and ricocheting
> >up to hit him right behind the left ear, blowing the back side of his
> >head open. (listening carefully to the audio, you deer hunters will
> >also recognize the distinctive "thwack" of a bullet hitting flesh, as
> >the ricocheted bullet hits him in the left side of the head)
> >
> >Milliseconds AFTER the second shot ricochets up to hit him, the tracer
> >round ricochets off the ground (from behind him, and to his right)
> >never touching him. By stopping and starting the sequence in mid
> >frame, you can tell by the sound of the tracer ricocheting off the
> >ground that it never touches him.
> >
> >All of the shots, including the tracer round, appear to be fired from
> >behind and above him (downwards) The disappearing light trail of the
> >tracer goes from right to left in the frame.
> >
> >The light trail from the tracer "appears" to be from a slightly
> >different angle, and the sound that the weapon that fired that round
> >sounds different, possibly farther away, possibly a different caliber,
> >or possibly the round retort was muffled by buildings, etc.
> >
> >Unless you stop/start the sequence, mid frame by mid frame, it appears
> >that he was shot from the front.
> >----
> >Interesting note:
> >
> >He seems to be completely unaware of the (hidden) person standing in
> >front of him, and to his right, and even with a high resolution cad
> >monitor, the resolution is so grainy, that I cannot determine if that
> >guy is a soldier, or??? or armed??? This (hidden) person emerges after
> >the dead guy hits the dirt, and appears to be holding something in his
> >hand. (possibly a weapon) Obviously this guy is not threat to the
> >person in the foreground wearing red.
> >
> >Also, if the armed guy standing next to the camera man is his enemy,
> >he is not taking a defensive position. I don't know enough about the
> >local culture to tell if the guy (foreground, armed) is of the same
> >"tribe" he is wearing red markings and the dead guy is wearing gray
> >markings.
> >
> >Possibly someone that is familiar with local culture can enlighten us
> >about those markings.
> >
> >One last thing:
> >
> >I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was
> >aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems
> >strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the
> >audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for
> >the media or something equally as sinister.
> >
> >McNeil
> >
> > http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg
> >
> >

[Yeff]

On 24 Jun 2004 19:49:50 -0700, McNeil wrote:

> That's otay pankee! (Buckwheat)

Have you seen the video of Buckwheat getting shot?...

--

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

[Kevin Brooks]

"Pete" > wrote in message
...
>
> "McNeil" > wrote
> > http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg
> >
> > There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming
> > a rocket launcher at ???
> >
> > and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do.
> >
> >
> > Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at
> > this guy were fired from behind.
> >
> > The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same
> > thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him.
> >
> > Here is how I came to that conclusion...
> >
> > I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media
> > Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action
> > many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage,
> > so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want
> > to)
>
> Only if you watched in reverse.
>
> With a better video editor that allows better frame by frame, you can
> clearly see the rounds coming from the left.
>
> He is hit at least 3 times
> Lower abdomen (This exits downward out the back, to the right of the
frame)
> Head (exits downward, to the right. Impacts the ground very near a missed
> round, slightly closer to the camera)
> Just below the neck, with a tracer round (Exits upward, again to the
right)
>
> Even at normal speed, you can see the tracers coming from the left.

Man, what are you doing?! You are *ruining* a perfectly good conspiracy plot
still in its infancy with *facts*? Didn't you note the guys "staged event or
something equally sinister" closing? NEXT you'll be telling us that TWA 800
just accidently blew up due to a fuel tank explosion, or something similarly
requiring common sense... :-)

Brooks

>
> Pete
>
>

[door gunner]

> Only if you watched in reverse.
>
> With a better video editor

I'm curious, what "better" video editor are you using?

I would like to see this for myself,

Doc

[BUFDRVR]

>You can plainly see that the shot came from the grassy knoll. Right
>where the hobo was running from. ( Sorry, couldn't resist! )

Back..and to the left....back and to the left ;)


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Pete]

"door gunner" > wrote in message
om...
> > Only if you watched in reverse.
> >
> > With a better video editor
>
> I'm curious, what "better" video editor are you using?
>
> I would like to see this for myself,
>
> Doc

Anything that allows frame by frame editing, vs merely " "space" bar
(rapidly) to stop/start the action many times"

The editor that came with my Dazzle USB video encoder, MovieStar (not great,
but it works)
AIST MovieDV Suite
Adobe Premier 5.1

(after conversion to uncompressed .avi)
PaintShopPro 6 Animation Studio (this extracts out to individual frames)
VideoLan Media player (this allows very, very slow motion)

All show exactly the same effects in the video clip.

Pete

[John S. Shinal]

(door gunner) wrote:

>> Only if you watched in reverse.
>> With a better video editor
>I'm curious, what "better" video editor are you using?
>I would like to see this for myself,

If you have an old copy of Windows 95 around, there is a
"bonus" on that CD called Active Movie. It is a dirt-simple video
player that allows frame by frame play, and looping. It works on
Windows 95/98 and 2000. I haven't tested it under XP.

Just about anything is better than the bloated monstrosity
that is Windows Media Player these days.



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[Typhoon502]

"Pete" > wrote in message >...

> All show exactly the same effects in the video clip.

I'm amazed that it's even considered questionable. All the movement,
from the bullet effects to the body position, goes left-to-right on
the screen.

[Pete]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote
>
> Man, what are you doing?! You are *ruining* a perfectly good conspiracy
plot
> still in its infancy with *facts*? Didn't you note the guys "staged event
or
> something equally sinister" closing? NEXT you'll be telling us that TWA
800
> just accidently blew up due to a fuel tank explosion, or something
similarly
> requiring common sense... :-)

I'll bet if he plays old Beatles tunes on his PC, he hears "John is dead"

Pete

[Joe Blow]

> You claim to have watched the film frame by frame, but you missed that
> the cheers only came before the shots, when they were encouraging some
> young kid to go and get killed. After the shots they were screaming.
>
>
> I *know* this is not a binary group, but here is a small picture:
>
>
I was thinking along those line, that they sucked some idiot into going out
and taking a pot shot. What I find strange is how nonchalantly the others
are walking out into the killing area after he's been shot.

[Regnirps]

Just use QuickTime. You can enlarge it way up and go frame by frame, and it's
free.

-- Charlie Springer

[Scott Ferrin]

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:55:43 GMT, "Joe Blow" > wrote:

>> You claim to have watched the film frame by frame, but you missed that
>> the cheers only came before the shots, when they were encouraging some
>> young kid to go and get killed. After the shots they were screaming.
>>
>>
>> I *know* this is not a binary group, but here is a small picture:
>>
>>
>I was thinking along those line, that they sucked some idiot into going out
>and taking a pot shot. What I find strange is how nonchalantly the others
>are walking out into the killing area after he's been shot.

Heh, heh, nobody's ever accused them of being brain surgeons.

[John Keeney]

"Joe Blow" > wrote in message
.. .
> > You claim to have watched the film frame by frame, but you missed that
> > the cheers only came before the shots, when they were encouraging some
> > young kid to go and get killed. After the shots they were screaming.
> >
> >
> > I *know* this is not a binary group, but here is a small picture:
> >
> >
> I was thinking along those line, that they sucked some idiot into going
out
> and taking a pot shot. What I find strange is how nonchalantly the
others
> are walking out into the killing area after he's been shot.

Just because you can't see a two story building just off the screen
to the left doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Andrew]

Joe Blow > wrote:
>> You claim to have watched the film frame by frame, but you missed that
>> the cheers only came before the shots, when they were encouraging some
>> young kid to go and get killed. After the shots they were screaming.
>>
>>
>> I *know* this is not a binary group, but here is a small picture:
>>
>>
> I was thinking along those line, that they sucked some idiot into going out
> and taking a pot shot. What I find strange is how nonchalantly the others
> are walking out into the killing area after he's been shot.

It's hard to tell how much time elapsed between the shooting and when the
edited news report cuts to the later shot of the dead gut being approached
bt his compatriot. It may have been 5 minutes and even then it appears the
approaching man is being careful not to get TOO close.

Andrew

[Ugly Bob]

"Pete" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote
> >
> > Man, what are you doing?! You are *ruining* a perfectly good conspiracy
> plot
> > still in its infancy with *facts*? Didn't you note the guys "staged
event
> or
> > something equally sinister" closing? NEXT you'll be telling us that TWA
> 800
> > just accidently blew up due to a fuel tank explosion, or something
> similarly
> > requiring common sense... :-)
>
> I'll bet if he plays old Beatles tunes on his PC, he hears "John is dead"
>
> Pete

John _is_ dead but the walrus, IIRC, was Paul.

[John Mullen]

"hobo" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Andrew > wrote:
>
> > It may have been 5 minutes and even then it appears the
> > approaching man is being careful not to get TOO close.
>
> The "approaching man" may also know from experience that th US troops do
> not shoot at unarmed men.

LOL good one!

John

[t_mark]

> > The "approaching man" may also know from experience that th US troops do
> > not shoot at unarmed men.
>
> LOL good one!

He should have said they try not to shoot civilians, but then you knew that
and just wanted to be a dick.

Not surprisingly, looking at your posting path reveals that yet another dick
on the newsgroup is a non-American being a dick about something related to
America.

Surprise. Surprise.

[John Mullen]

"t_mark" > wrote in message
news:WgSDc.19035$rh.6877@okepread02...
> > > The "approaching man" may also know from experience that th US troops
do
> > > not shoot at unarmed men.
> >
> > LOL good one!
>
> He should have said they try not to shoot civilians, but then you knew
that
> and just wanted to be a dick.
>
> Not surprisingly, looking at your posting path reveals that yet another
dick
> on the newsgroup is a non-American being a dick about something related to
> America.
>
> Surprise. Surprise.

I see from your post you seem to like dicks. Can I suggest one of the gay
binaries NGs might be more to your liking? This is really more of a military
aviation related forum and you will find it very dull.

Luckily, I have far better things to do than study your 'posting path'. I
feel sorry for you. Really.

John

[Regnirps]

John "Hairy Palms" Mullen wrote:

>I see from your post you seem to like dicks. Can I suggest one of the gay
>binaries NGs might be more to your liking? This is really more of a military
>aviation related forum and you will find it very dull.

>Luckily, I have far better things to do than study your 'posting path'.

Carefull you don't get blisters on it.

-- Charlie Springer

[John Mullen]

"Regnirps" > wrote in message
...
> John "Hairy Palms" Mullen wrote:
>
> >I see from your post you seem to like dicks. Can I suggest one of the gay
> >binaries NGs might be more to your liking? This is really more of a
military
> >aviation related forum and you will find it very dull.
>
> >Luckily, I have far better things to do than study your 'posting path'.
>
> Carefull you don't get blisters on it.

LOL

So long as I can still find the keyboard...

'Looking at your posting path' indeed.

John