Antonov

[Emilio]

This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/605503/M/

Emilio.

[Goran Larsson]

In article >, Emilio > wrote:

> This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?

Buran.

--
Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/

[gary pearson]

Correct, it was designed for the Buran. However, the aircraft is now in
service for outsized cargo flights. It lay idle for over 3 years before
they decided to refurbish it for commercial flights. The 124 was used for so
many things from Ostriches and Giraffes to satellites and tanks. The 225
will do the same but just more of it. Check out www.airfoyle.co.uk

"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Emilio >
wrote:
>
> > This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
>
> Buran.
>
> --
> Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/

[Ken Duffey]

They have a second example - the static test airframe - and enough parts
to make it flyable.

Following the success of the first 'Mriya' (Dream), Antonov are
considering putting it into service - if they can get the money!

Ken

gary pearson wrote:
> Correct, it was designed for the Buran. However, the aircraft is now in
> service for outsized cargo flights. It lay idle for over 3 years before
> they decided to refurbish it for commercial flights. The 124 was used for so
> many things from Ostriches and Giraffes to satellites and tanks. The 225
> will do the same but just more of it. Check out www.airfoyle.co.uk
>
> "Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article >, Emilio >
>
> wrote:
>
>>>This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
>>
>>Buran.
>>
>>--
>>Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
>
>
>

[Emilio]

Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.

Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand new 6
engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.

Emilio.

"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Emilio >
wrote:
>
> > This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
>
> Buran.
>
> --
> Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/

[Jonathan Stilwell]

"Emilio" > wrote in message
...
> Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
>
> Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand new
6
> engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.

Well, as well as the An-225, they also used the VM-T Atlant. A Myasichev 3M
"Bison" bomber / tanker converted to a twin tail with the Buran orbiter
stapped to the back. Also used for carrying the Buran external fuel tank.

http://legion.wplus.net/guide/air/t/vm-t.shtml
http://spacearium.aresinstitute.org/special/buran/images_113.html

Jon.

[gary pearson]

It wasnt a brand new aircraft design, it was a modified (heavily) An124.
Gary
"Emilio" > wrote in message
...
> Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
>
> Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand new
6
> engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
>
> Emilio.
>
> "Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Emilio >
> wrote:
> >
> > > This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
> >
> > Buran.
> >
> > --
> > Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
>
>

[Emilio]

Holly crap! I hope they filled the tank with helium.

http://spacearium.aresinstitute.org/special/buran/images/atlant2.jpg

I hope they filled the tank with helium. Thanks for the web site with large
collection Russian images.

Emilio.

"Jonathan Stilwell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Emilio" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
> >
> > Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand
new
> 6
> > engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
>
> Well, as well as the An-225, they also used the VM-T Atlant. A Myasichev
3M
> "Bison" bomber / tanker converted to a twin tail with the Buran orbiter
> stapped to the back. Also used for carrying the Buran external fuel tank.
>
> http://legion.wplus.net/guide/air/t/vm-t.shtml
> http://spacearium.aresinstitute.org/special/buran/images_113.html
>
> Jon.
>
>

[Ken Duffey]

When they (Antonov) were making a heap of FAI records with the Mriya,
they wanted to have some heavy steel blocks that they could load on
board - so that they could get the records at different all-up weights.

But these steel blocks were a pain to load and offload - so they hit
upon the simple expedient of using T-90 tanks - simple drive-on
drive-off steel loads.

I have a pic somewhere of an An-225 with an open nose door and five
T-90's parked in front!

Ken

gary pearson wrote:

> It wasnt a brand new aircraft design, it was a modified (heavily) An124.
> Gary
> "Emilio" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
>>
>>Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand new
>
> 6
>
>>engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
>>
>>Emilio.
>>
>>"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>In article >, Emilio >
>>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
>>>
>>>Buran.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
>>
>>
>
>

[Emilio]

I think five T-90 was for show.

One T-90 weighs 46 Tons fully loaded, which is 92,000 lbs. Space shuttle
external tank weigh 77,000 lbs. It is about one T-90 weight capacity.

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/et.html

Shuttle Orbiter Landing Weight is 198,909 lbs. That is little over two T-90
weight capacity.

http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/STS-98/

Emilio.

"Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
...
> When they (Antonov) were making a heap of FAI records with the Mriya,
> they wanted to have some heavy steel blocks that they could load on
> board - so that they could get the records at different all-up weights.
>
> But these steel blocks were a pain to load and offload - so they hit
> upon the simple expedient of using T-90 tanks - simple drive-on
> drive-off steel loads.
>
> I have a pic somewhere of an An-225 with an open nose door and five
> T-90's parked in front!
>
> Ken
>
> gary pearson wrote:
>
> > It wasnt a brand new aircraft design, it was a modified (heavily) An124.
> > Gary
> > "Emilio" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
> >>
> >>Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand
new
> >
> > 6
> >
> >>engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
> >>
> >>Emilio.
> >>
> >>"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>In article >, Emilio >
> >>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>>This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
> >>>
> >>>Buran.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Zamboni]

"Emilio" > wrote in message
...
> Holly crap! I hope they filled the tank with helium.
>
> http://spacearium.aresinstitute.org/special/buran/images/atlant2.jpg
>
> I hope they filled the tank with helium. Thanks for the web site with
large
> collection Russian images.
>
Is that a Buran tank? I've seen that same plane in a magazine that referred
to the "tank" as a container for generic bulk cargo.
--
Zamboni

[Ken Duffey]

Max payload of the An-225 is 250 tons.

5 x T-90's weigh (5 x 46 tons) = 230 tons

Where's the problem ?

I'll try and find the pic........

Ken

Emilio wrote:
> I think five T-90 was for show.
>
> One T-90 weighs 46 Tons fully loaded, which is 92,000 lbs. Space shuttle
> external tank weigh 77,000 lbs. It is about one T-90 weight capacity.
>
> http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/et.html
>
> Shuttle Orbiter Landing Weight is 198,909 lbs. That is little over two T-90
> weight capacity.
>
> http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/STS-98/
>
> Emilio.
>
> "Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>When they (Antonov) were making a heap of FAI records with the Mriya,
>>they wanted to have some heavy steel blocks that they could load on
>>board - so that they could get the records at different all-up weights.
>>
>>But these steel blocks were a pain to load and offload - so they hit
>>upon the simple expedient of using T-90 tanks - simple drive-on
>>drive-off steel loads.
>>
>>I have a pic somewhere of an An-225 with an open nose door and five
>>T-90's parked in front!
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>gary pearson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It wasnt a brand new aircraft design, it was a modified (heavily) An124.
>>>Gary
>>>"Emilio" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
>>>>
>>>>Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand
>
> new
>
>>>6
>>>
>>>
>>>>engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
>>>>
>>>>Emilio.
>>>>
>>>>"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article >, Emilio >
>>>>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
>>>>>
>>>>>Buran.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>

[gary pearson]

The picture can be seen at
http://www.airfoyle.co.uk/

If I am not mistaken, it looks like it was taken at Gostomel Aifield not far
from Kiev.

"Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
...
> Max payload of the An-225 is 250 tons.
>
> 5 x T-90's weigh (5 x 46 tons) = 230 tons
>
> Where's the problem ?
>
> I'll try and find the pic........
>
> Ken
>
> Emilio wrote:
> > I think five T-90 was for show.
> >
> > One T-90 weighs 46 Tons fully loaded, which is 92,000 lbs. Space
shuttle
> > external tank weigh 77,000 lbs. It is about one T-90 weight capacity.
> >
> > http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/et.html
> >
> > Shuttle Orbiter Landing Weight is 198,909 lbs. That is little over two
T-90
> > weight capacity.
> >
> > http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/STS-98/
> >
> > Emilio.
> >
> > "Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>When they (Antonov) were making a heap of FAI records with the Mriya,
> >>they wanted to have some heavy steel blocks that they could load on
> >>board - so that they could get the records at different all-up weights.
> >>
> >>But these steel blocks were a pain to load and offload - so they hit
> >>upon the simple expedient of using T-90 tanks - simple drive-on
> >>drive-off steel loads.
> >>
> >>I have a pic somewhere of an An-225 with an open nose door and five
> >>T-90's parked in front!
> >>
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>gary pearson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>It wasnt a brand new aircraft design, it was a modified (heavily)
An124.
> >>>Gary
> >>>"Emilio" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
> >>>>
> >>>>Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand
> >
> > new
> >
> >>>6
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
> >>>>
> >>>>Emilio.
> >>>>
> >>>>"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>In article >, Emilio >
> >>>>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Buran.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

[Ken Duffey]

That's the one !!

Thanks Gary

I see from this week's Flight International that the An-225 has just set
a record for a COMMERCIAL cargo - 237 tons IIRC

I just had a browse through the mag in Smiths - so I am relying on my
(rapidly fading) memory!

It flew either into or out of Prague - again IIRC.

Ken


gary pearson wrote:

> The picture can be seen at
> http://www.airfoyle.co.uk/
>
> If I am not mistaken, it looks like it was taken at Gostomel Aifield not far
> from Kiev.
>
> "Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Max payload of the An-225 is 250 tons.
>>
>>5 x T-90's weigh (5 x 46 tons) = 230 tons
>>
>>Where's the problem ?
>>
>>I'll try and find the pic........
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>Emilio wrote:
>>
>>>I think five T-90 was for show.
>>>
>>>One T-90 weighs 46 Tons fully loaded, which is 92,000 lbs. Space
>
> shuttle
>
>>>external tank weigh 77,000 lbs. It is about one T-90 weight capacity.
>>>
>>>http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/et.html
>>>
>>>Shuttle Orbiter Landing Weight is 198,909 lbs. That is little over two
>
> T-90
>
>>>weight capacity.
>>>
>>>http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/STS-98/
>>>
>>>Emilio.
>>>
>>>"Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>When they (Antonov) were making a heap of FAI records with the Mriya,
>>>>they wanted to have some heavy steel blocks that they could load on
>>>>board - so that they could get the records at different all-up weights.
>>>>
>>>>But these steel blocks were a pain to load and offload - so they hit
>>>>upon the simple expedient of using T-90 tanks - simple drive-on
>>>>drive-off steel loads.
>>>>
>>>>I have a pic somewhere of an An-225 with an open nose door and five
>>>>T-90's parked in front!
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>gary pearson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It wasnt a brand new aircraft design, it was a modified (heavily)
>
> An124.
>
>>>>>Gary
>>>>>"Emilio" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a brand
>>>
>>>new
>>>
>>>
>>>>>6
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Emilio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article >, Emilio >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a cargo?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Buran.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>
>

[gary pearson]

The aircraft is of course very impressive but you would have thought
differently if you had seen it 6 years ago. The engines were stripped as
spares for the AN124 fleet and it lay on a quiet corner of Gostomel airfield
looking pretty sad, with paint peeling and bald/flat tires. I took a look
around it when it was laid up but never got the chance to fly on it. The
talk is of building more AN225's for commercial service but I would not hold
my breath. I heard the same about the AN124 being re-engined and that never
happened.

I did see a confidential business plan (6 years ago) to use the 225 to ferry
fishing boats from one lake in the USSR to another to make use of the boat
during the whole year instead of just 1 lake 1 season. I swear this is true,
the plan was to carry the fishing boat on the back of the 225 and not
inside. I know you are not going to believe that but I had to tell it
anyway.

Gary



"Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
...
> That's the one !!
>
> Thanks Gary
>
> I see from this week's Flight International that the An-225 has just set
> a record for a COMMERCIAL cargo - 237 tons IIRC
>
> I just had a browse through the mag in Smiths - so I am relying on my
> (rapidly fading) memory!
>
> It flew either into or out of Prague - again IIRC.
>
> Ken
>
>
> gary pearson wrote:
>
> > The picture can be seen at
> > http://www.airfoyle.co.uk/
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, it looks like it was taken at Gostomel Aifield not
far
> > from Kiev.
> >
> > "Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Max payload of the An-225 is 250 tons.
> >>
> >>5 x T-90's weigh (5 x 46 tons) = 230 tons
> >>
> >>Where's the problem ?
> >>
> >>I'll try and find the pic........
> >>
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>Emilio wrote:
> >>
> >>>I think five T-90 was for show.
> >>>
> >>>One T-90 weighs 46 Tons fully loaded, which is 92,000 lbs. Space
> >
> > shuttle
> >
> >>>external tank weigh 77,000 lbs. It is about one T-90 weight capacity.
> >>>
> >>>http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/et.html
> >>>
> >>>Shuttle Orbiter Landing Weight is 198,909 lbs. That is little over two
> >
> > T-90
> >
> >>>weight capacity.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/STS-98/
> >>>
> >>>Emilio.
> >>>
> >>>"Ken Duffey" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>When they (Antonov) were making a heap of FAI records with the Mriya,
> >>>>they wanted to have some heavy steel blocks that they could load on
> >>>>board - so that they could get the records at different all-up
weights.
> >>>>
> >>>>But these steel blocks were a pain to load and offload - so they hit
> >>>>upon the simple expedient of using T-90 tanks - simple drive-on
> >>>>drive-off steel loads.
> >>>>
> >>>>I have a pic somewhere of an An-225 with an open nose door and five
> >>>>T-90's parked in front!
> >>>>
> >>>>Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>gary pearson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>It wasnt a brand new aircraft design, it was a modified (heavily)
> >
> > An124.
> >
> >>>>>Gary
> >>>>>"Emilio" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Ya I found the pic with Buran on top.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Funny, I thought Russians were lot more practical than design a
brand
> >>>
> >>>new
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>6
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>engine aircraft to carry Buran. We do it simply with 747.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Emilio.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Goran Larsson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In article >, Emilio
>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>This Antonov, do anyone know what they were thinking of as a
cargo?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Buran.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

[Tamas Feher]

>The talk is of building more AN225's for commercial service

Not building, but converting an already existing static test
(not-for-flying prototype) to airworthy conditions.