You are on a mission.....

[ArtKramr]

You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
intercom? Any opinions?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Dave Kearton]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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| You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
| intercom? Any opinions?
|
|
|
| Arthur Kramer



"Attention crew ....there's absolutely nothing wrong with the _left_ wing"



Cheers


Dave Kearton

[Dweezil Dwarftosser]

ArtKramr wrote:
>
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
> intercom? Any opinions?

"Kerry wins".

[Krztalizer]

>
>You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>the
>intercom? Any opinions?

"I got it, I got it!"

or

"Let me show you a little manuever I learned on my last Detachment."

worst case scenarios always start with the standard ICS call --

"Uh-oh."

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

[Ragnar]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
> intercom? Any opinions?

Umm, "hello, this is your pilot ArtKramr speaking".

[Dave Kearton]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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| You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
| intercom? Any opinions?
|
|
|
| Arthur Kramer




"Hi, you've called 'Willie the Wolf'. We're not in right now,

...but if you leave a message after the beep, we'll get right back to
you."






Cheers


Dave Kearton

[Drewe Manton]

(In a redneck accent) "Hey y'all, watch *THIS*!"



--
Regards
Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"

[Tom Swift]

>
> "ArtKramr" < wrote in message
>
> | You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
over
> the
> | intercom? Any opinions?
> |
> |
> |
> | Arthur Kramer
>
"Sorry about the replacement toggleer today guys, I fought to get another
one but he was the only one available. His name is Cramer, or something like
that.
Our regular bomb-aimer will be out of the hospital tomorrow, sure miss
Yazzarian."

[[email protected]]

ArtKramr wrote:
>
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
> intercom? Any opinions?
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer



1. "Flight Engineer to the flight station" (in a P-3, when the FE has
gone aft to whiz, have a cuppa or whatever, and the pilots have been
left in the cockhouse without adult supervision..)

2. "Nav, flight, give us a heading back to homeplate"
"Uh, 341?" (clearly stated as a question).
"Nav, flight, I want you to TELL me, not ASK me..."
(also a P-3. Nav was a recently qual'd nugget. Flight was the squadron
Ops O, and not happy with this response. If you thought the shortest
measureable time was a nanosecond, then you didn't see how quickly his
headsets came off and he ended up in the Nav's grill...)

3. Without the intercom: The fire warning horn for any motor....for the
third time...after both its own HRD fire bottle and the one on the
adjacent engine has already been expended. (resulted in a short P-3
detour to Wake Island on a transpac to figure out WTF)

4. "Crew, flight. We've just heard from (insert appropriated command
element here): we're going to PLE (also a P-3 thing, PLE meaning
"prudent limit of endurance". You won't be back in time for the movie, a
hot meal, or anything else...)

[George Z. Bush]

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
> >the
> >intercom? Any opinions?
>
> "I got it, I got it!"
>
> or
>
> "Let me show you a little manuever I learned on my last Detachment."
>
> worst case scenarios always start with the standard ICS call --
>
> "Uh-oh."

I always thought it was "Oh, ****!" (^-^)))

George Z.

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: You are on a mission.....
>From: "Ragnar"
>Date: 7/5/2004 1:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>the
>> intercom? Any opinions?
>
>Umm, "hello, this is your pilot ArtKramr speaking".


Messages can come from anyone on the aircraft. You tell me.




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: You are on a mission.....
>From: "Dave Kearton"
>Date: 7/5/2004 1:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>| You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>the
>| intercom? Any opinions?
>|
>|
>|
>| Arthur Kramer
>
>
>
>
>"Hi, you've called 'Willie the Wolf'. We're not in right now,
>
> ...but if you leave a message after the beep, we'll get right back to
>you."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>
>Dave Kearton


ROFL !!! Now that's a good one.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: You are on a mission.....
>From: "Tom Swift"
>Date: 7/5/2004 4:01 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>>
>> "ArtKramr" < wrote in message
>>
>> | You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
>over
>> the
>> | intercom? Any opinions?
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> | Arthur Kramer
>>
>"Sorry about the replacement toggleer today guys, I fought to get another
>one but he was the only one available. His name is Cramer, or something like
>that.
>Our regular bomb-aimer will be out of the hospital tomorrow, sure miss
>Yazzarian."


Love it (grin)



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[M. J. Powell]

In message >,
Tom Swift > writes
>
>>
>> "ArtKramr" < wrote in message
>>
>> | You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
>over
>> the
>> | intercom? Any opinions?
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> | Arthur Kramer
>>
>"Sorry about the replacement toggleer today guys, I fought to get another
>one but he was the only one available. His name is Cramer, or something like
>that.
>Our regular bomb-aimer will be out of the hospital tomorrow, sure miss
>Yazzarian."

"Hey! Whose wheels are running along the runway behind us"?

Mike

[Swede4198]

Slightly off topic. In the early '80's I had some equipment on a RC-135U
flying out of England. I had to go to Germany after the mission launched that
day so when I got to Germany, I called one of my engineers to get a sitrep on
our equipment.

The first words out of his mouth were "We don't think the aircraft is too badly
damaged! The maintenance crew just left in a C-130."

After a 12 hour mission the bird had to divert to Edinbourogh because of
weather. When they landed, the runway had two inches of standing water on it.
They hydroplained down the runway with the back end crew counting the blown
tires. They ended up on the overrun with four blown tires and four ground up
rims. It could have been a very bad day.

[Gunnar]

"You did the fueling, right ?"

- Gunnar


"ArtKramr" > skrev i melding
...
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
> intercom? Any opinions?
>
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[Bob Liberty]

You hear the crow throwing a lot of switches.

ole nav
"Gunnar" > wrote in message
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> "You did the fueling, right ?"
>
> - Gunnar
>
>
> "ArtKramr" > skrev i melding
> ...
> > You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
over
> the
> > intercom? Any opinions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Arthur Kramer
> > 344th BG 494th BS
> > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
> >
>
>
>

[Dave Holford]

"George Z. Bush" wrote:
>
> I always thought it was "Oh, ****!" (^-^)))
>
> George Z.



That's the one!

Dave

[Richard Brooks]

ArtKramr wrote:
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
> over the intercom? Any opinions?
>

OHMYGOD! The lions have broken out of the cage.

Okay, it was a mission to release animals in the wild but it could happen.
I've got a press photograph of the RAF doing their community bit, putting in
nesting platforms for ducks.

Richard.

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: You are on a mission.....
>From: "Richard Brooks"
>Date: 7/5/2004 10:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>ArtKramr wrote:
>> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
>> over the intercom? Any opinions?
>>
>
>OHMYGOD! The lions have broken out of the cage.
>
>Okay, it was a mission to release animals in the wild but it could happen.
>I've got a press photograph of the RAF doing their community bit, putting in
>nesting platforms for ducks.
>
>Richard.
>
>
>

Sounds bad but I've heard worse. A lot worse. (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Michael Wise]

In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
> intercom? Any opinions?


"Say, what is that mountain goat doing up here in the clouds?"


--Mike

[Jim Baker]

"George Z. Bush" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Krztalizer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> > >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
over
> > >the
> > >intercom? Any opinions?
> >
> > "I got it, I got it!"
> >
> > or
> >
> > "Let me show you a little manuever I learned on my last Detachment."
> >
> > worst case scenarios always start with the standard ICS call --
> >
> > "Uh-oh."
>
> I always thought it was "Oh, ****!" (^-^)))
>
> George Z.

That was the worst thing I ever heard. And it had to be low, not a shout.

JB

[Jack G]

Nobody remembers the worst one....

Jack


"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
> intercom? Any opinions?
>
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
> intercom? Any opinions?
>

"Kramer, you have the airplane."

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: You are on a mission.....
>From: "Jack G"
>Date: 7/5/2004 1:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Nobody remembers the worst one....
>
>Jack
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>the
>> intercom? Any opinions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Arthur Kramer
>> 344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>>


I do. Both of them.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[B2431]

>From: Glenfiddich
>Date: 7/5/2004 8:07 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 05 Jul 2004 05:25:17 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>>You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>the
>>intercom? Any opinions?
>
>Total silence.
>
>Or, perhaps, in todays service "Damn! My water just broke".

Actually she would have been grounded long before.

It would be worse if she said "I may be pregnant and I don't know which of you
is the daddy."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: "Jack G"
>Date: 7/5/2004 3:43 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Nobody remembers the worst one....
>
>Jack
>
>

"Hey, what are alla them Japs doing on our carrier?" - said immediately after
chocks.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Jack G]

Then they weren't that bad...

Jack G.


"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: You are on a mission.....
> >From: "Jack G"
> >Date: 7/5/2004 1:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >Nobody remembers the worst one....
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >
> >"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
over
> >the
> >> intercom? Any opinions?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Arthur Kramer
> >> 344th BG 494th BS
> >> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> >> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> >> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
> >>
>
>
> I do. Both of them.
>
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[Krztalizer]

>
>"Rotor is in the green; N1 is...GOINGTOZEROYOUHAVETHECONTROLS".
>

You-u-u h-h-a-a-v--v-e-ththththe-ka-ka-ka-kon-ta-ta-ta-trols!"

[Mary Shafer]

On 05 Jul 2004 05:59:37 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:

> >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
> >the
> >intercom? Any opinions?
>
> "I got it, I got it!"

No, no, that's not it. It's "Hey, watch this!"

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Mary Shafer > writes:
> On 05 Jul 2004 05:59:37 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:
>
>> >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>> >the
>> >intercom? Any opinions?
>>
>> "I got it, I got it!"
>
> No, no, that's not it. It's "Hey, watch this!"

Or:
"It's O.K. they always put a safety factor into those Flight Limits."

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
Mary Shafer > wrote:

> On 05 Jul 2004 05:59:37 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:
>
> > >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
> > >the
> > >intercom? Any opinions?
> >
> > "I got it, I got it!"
>
> No, no, that's not it. It's "Hey, watch this!"

Often preceded by "Here, hold ma beer!"

[MHA Reaction Force]

>You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>the
>intercom? Any opinions?
>

Doh!

>
>Arthur Kramer
>344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>
>

[John S. Shinal]

(ArtKramr) wrote:

>You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
>intercom? Any opinions?

<static>
"OH **** !"





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[T3]

"John S. Shinal" > wrote in message
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> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
over the
> >intercom? Any opinions?
>
> <static>
> "OH **** !"
>
>
>
>
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Close but no cigar. How 'bout, OH ****, (slight
pause)...................WE'RE ON FIRE!!!!!!

Regards,
T3

[Peter Kemp]

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:37:07 GMT,
(John S. Shinal) wrote:

>(ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>>You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
>>intercom? Any opinions?
>
> <static>
> "OH **** !"

Or worse....

"OH SH....<static>"

Peter Kemp

[George Z. Bush]

"John S. Shinal" > wrote in message
...
> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
> >intercom? Any opinions?
>
> <static>
> "OH **** !"

I think those were my exact words a couple of days ago. I'm glad that you
agree.

George Z.
>
>
>
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[David McArthur]

Michael Wise > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> > You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
> > intercom? Any opinions?
>
>
> "Say, what is that mountain goat doing up here in the clouds?"

v. funny! that get's my vote.

David

[OXMORON1]

Art asked:
>> > You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
>over the
>> > intercom? Any opinions?

In the SEA wargames, one of the most repeated "There I was" stories usually
ended with "Shut up and die like a man..."

I always dreaded to hear.."Lets go back around and make sure we got it..."

oxmoron1
MFE

[Steve]

On 05 Jul 2004 05:25:17 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

>You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
>intercom? Any opinions?

<Betty>
ALTITUDE ALTITUDE
</Betty>


--
Steve.

[Keith Willshaw]

"Peter Twydell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, ArtKramr
> > writes
> >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
over the
> >intercom? Any opinions?
> >
> >
> >
> >Arthur Kramer
> >344th BG 494th BS
> > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> >Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> >http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>
> "Flight Engineer to Captain - Hey skipper, this is John Tarver..."
> --

I removed the pitot tube because its just attracts mud bees
and installed Splaps

Keith

[Mary Shafer]

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:11:21 -0700, Steve Hix
> wrote:

> In article >,
> Mary Shafer > wrote:
>
> > On 05 Jul 2004 05:59:37 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:
> >
> > > >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
> > > >the
> > > >intercom? Any opinions?
> > >
> > > "I got it, I got it!"
> >
> > No, no, that's not it. It's "Hey, watch this!"
>
> Often preceded by "Here, hold ma beer!"

And both usually in a male voice.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

[Peter Twydell]

In article >, ArtKramr
> writes
>You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
>intercom? Any opinions?
>
>
>
>Arthur Kramer
>344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Flight Engineer to Captain - Hey skipper, this is John Tarver..."
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

[Tom Swift]

Your Flight Attendants today are Alice Kramer and Stephanie Rasimus?

[Krztalizer]

>
><Betty>
>ALTITUDE ALTITUDE
></Betty>
>

::::shudder::::

That, or an aircraft commander humming "Ride of the Valkyries" during an
extended dive...

That particular P-3 crew featured bald-headed, guitar-playing FE Gabe, seated
between the pilots and usually strumming "Radar Love" in such situations. But
on that encounter with the Soviet carrier Minsk, he lined up the nose of the
P-3 from 28,000' and dove like hell, humming that classic song from "Apocolypse
Now". Everyone crowded into the cockpit had their attention glued to the
Minsk, an old as dirt US tin can, an Indian IL-38 May, and *us* all arriving at
the same geographic point at the same moment.

Betty would have had kittens.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

[Krztalizer]

>
>"Flight Engineer to Captain - Hey skipper, this is John Tarver..."

"Tell mom I love her."

[Frijoles]

For a single-seat, single engine guy there is no intercom. About as close
as it comes is "Bitchin Betty" -- the aircraft voice warning system --
saying, "ENGINE FIRE, ENGINE FIRE"

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
the
> intercom? Any opinions?
>
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[Brian Colwell]

"Peter Twydell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, ArtKramr
> > writes
> >You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
over the
> >intercom? Any opinions?
> >
> >
> >
> >Arthur Kramer
> >344th BG 494th BS
> > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> >Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> >http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>
> "Flight Engineer to Captain - Hey skipper, this is John Tarver..."
> --
> Peter
>
> Ying tong iddle-i po!

Where is John these days ? We haven't heard from him in a dogs age :-))

BMC

[Battleax]

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
> Art asked:
> >> > You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear
> >over the
> >> > intercom? Any opinions?
>
> In the SEA wargames, one of the most repeated "There I was" stories
usually
> ended with "Shut up and die like a man..."
>
> I always dreaded to hear.."Lets go back around and make sure we got it..."
>
> oxmoron1
> MFE

AH-64 flying at 20' agl:
Pilot: Think we can make it between those trees?
Co: Nope
Pilot: Oh ye of little faith

SMACK

Pilot: ****, ****
Co: Get it on the ground buddy!!
Pilot: ****!

B

[Steve]

On 07 Jul 2004 23:34:35 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:

>><Betty>
>>ALTITUDE ALTITUDE
>></Betty>
>
>::::shudder::::
>
>That, or an aircraft commander humming "Ride of the Valkyries" during an
>extended dive...
>
>That particular P-3 crew featured bald-headed, guitar-playing FE Gabe, seated
>between the pilots and usually strumming "Radar Love" in such situations. But
>on that encounter with the Soviet carrier Minsk, he lined up the nose of the
>P-3 from 28,000' and dove like hell, humming that classic song from "Apocolypse
>Now". Everyone crowded into the cockpit had their attention glued to the
>Minsk, an old as dirt US tin can, an Indian IL-38 May, and *us* all arriving at
>the same geographic point at the same moment.

LOL, classic. Should have had loudspeakers on the wings. :-)

>Betty would have had kittens.

<Betty>
JESUS H CHRIST, JESUS H CHRIST
</Betty>


--
Steve.

[buf3]

(ArtKramr) wrote in message >...
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
> intercom? Any opinions?
>
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
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From a B-52D EW during an Arc Lite mission in 1969. "Hey, you guys
want to hear a SAM signal?"

Gene Myers
Old buff pilot

[RobbelothE]

(ArtKramr) wrote in message
>...
>> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over
>the
>> intercom? Any opinions?

From the pilot of our EC-130E: "The bailout signal will be me going out the
door."


Ed
"If an enemy power is bent on conquering you, and proposed to
turn all of his resources to that end, he is at war with you;
and you -- unless you contemplate surrender -- are at war with
him." --Barry Goldwater

[Ed Rasimus]

On 9 Jul 2004 18:58:53 -0700, (buf3) wrote:

>From a B-52D EW during an Arc Lite mission in 1969. "Hey, you guys
>want to hear a SAM signal?"
>
>Gene Myers
>Old buff pilot

Was he going to play you a Weasel training tape?


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Mike Marron]

>Ed Rasimus > wrote:
>> (buf3) wrote:

>>From a B-52D EW during an Arc Lite mission in 1969. "Hey, you guys
>>want to hear a SAM signal?"

>Was he going to play you a Weasel training tape?

And....how does a SAM signal sound?

[Ed Rasimus]

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:00:26 GMT, Mike Marron >
wrote:

>>Ed Rasimus > wrote:
>>> (buf3) wrote:
>
>>>From a B-52D EW during an Arc Lite mission in 1969. "Hey, you guys
>>>want to hear a SAM signal?"
>
>>Was he going to play you a Weasel training tape?
>
>And....how does a SAM signal sound?
>
>
Depends upon the SAM and the RWR. Depends upon whether it's search,
track, activity or launch. Depends on whether you've got the volume
high enough to hear it over your praying.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Mike Marron]

>Ed Rasimus > wrote:

>Depends upon the SAM and the RWR. Depends upon whether it's search,
>track, activity or launch. Depends on whether you've got the volume
>high enough to hear it over your praying.

Tnx. The question has probably been asked countless times before
but I was just wondering if there was a quick answer along the lines
of the "growling" or "rattlesnake" sound that an AIM-9 made when it
was locked on a target.

[Ed Rasimus]

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:42:13 GMT, Mike Marron >
wrote:

>>Ed Rasimus > wrote:
>
>>Depends upon the SAM and the RWR. Depends upon whether it's search,
>>track, activity or launch. Depends on whether you've got the volume
>>high enough to hear it over your praying.
>
>Tnx. The question has probably been asked countless times before
>but I was just wondering if there was a quick answer along the lines
>of the "growling" or "rattlesnake" sound that an AIM-9 made when it
>was locked on a target.

An AIM-9B,M,J or P (which are the ones I carried at various
times--never had the good fortune to try all-aspect variants), made a
"growl"--sort of like a very inexpensive doorbell growl.

With SA-2 and APR-36/37 (or APR-25/26 or ALR-46) which is what I
carried, the Fan-Song search comes in low and high PRF (pulse
recurrence frequency). The audio reflects the rate of pulsing, slow
for lo-PRF and faster for hi. At hi-PRF, the sound could be likened to
a rattlesnake by someone who hasn't encountered a lot of rattlesnakes.
It's sort of a medium to high pitched chattering. Activity (the
pre-load signal for launch prep) is indicated by lights on the TDU
(threat display unit) and launch by a steady tone almost as high
frequency as a whistle.

Other radars offered different tones. Firecan (AAA fire-control) was a
low freq buzz, X-band for MiG AI radars had a different tone and
J-Band for the Gun-Dish also were different. I can't comment on the
newer equipment which has to cope with SA-2 through SA-135 or whatever
they are up to these days. Probably need to have a "bitchin' Betty" to
tell you that an SA-elebenty-nine is looking, but no threat, while an
SA-turdy-tree is about to offer a high speed digital prostate exam.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Jack]

Ed Rasimus wrote:

> Other radars offered different tones.

Let us consider, then, the blissful ignorance of the O-2 FAC in SEA who
who was alerted to the presence of active SAM radar only because it's
search cycle caused interference with the FM and VHF radios. Kind of
reassuring, don't you imagine, in a M.02 Cessna? Fortunately, I never
found out if a tracking or lock-on condition could be identified in a
similar fashion, but there may be one or two Cessna-borne FACs here who did.

O-2s were lost to SAMs as well as guns, but the guys that get my vote
for biggest balls were the O-1 (Cessna Bird Dog -- a C-170/-195/-180
hybrid) FACs who worked areas in the North and in Laos against many
small guns and large guns and SAMs, early in the war before they were
finally replaced with the somewhat more effective twins (O-2 & OV-10).

And I certainly haven't forgotten the Ravens, who just kept on with the
job with whatever they had at hand.

The FAC memorial (Hurlburt AFB) lists the names of over 200 FACs KIA in SEA:
http://www.hurlburt.af.mil/basewide/airpark/facmemorial/index.shtml

The FAC Memorial at the Air Force Museum, Dedication Fall of 2006:
http://www.romad.com/rss/5-31-2004.htm

The FAC Association:
http://www.fac-assoc.org/


--
Jack

"Cave ab homine unius libri"

[Steve Roberts]

"... airlines 1234 X-ray", Shemya Approach, "Sir, understand your a
747-400, and I understand you are declaring emergency, Say your Souls
On Board?"

Steve Roberts

[Krztalizer]

>
>>Was he going to play you a Weasel training tape?
>
>And....how does a SAM signal sound?

A Fan Song has a warbly growl. When two sites have you it sounds a lot worse.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

[Jim Thomas]

Ed Rasimus > wrote in message news:>
> With SA-2 and APR-36/37 (or APR-25/26 or ALR-46) which is what I
> carried, the Fan-Song search comes in low and high PRF (pulse
> recurrence frequency).

PRF is "pulse repetition frequency".

I hate myself when I make corrections like this, but after all, you
once corrected my "YGTBSM" as one letter too long.

Check six,

Jim Thomas

[Jim Thomas]

(ArtKramr) wrote in message >...
> You are on a mission. What is the most frightening thing you can hear over the
> intercom? Any opinions?

Not the most frightening thing, but one all of us pilots heard during
unusual attitude training when, with our eyes closed (sure!) the IP
put the aircraft through a few rolls and other things, then said "You
have it!"

Jim Thomas

[Krztalizer]

>
>A Fan Song has a warbly growl. When two sites have you it sounds a lot
>worse.
>

At Berbera Somalia (supposedly 'friendly') in 1983, we got lit up and tracked
by an SA-2 site, among other things. In response, the Connie (? I think), sent
a pair of TARPS F-14s near the sites within a day or so - big surprise, they
were fired upon.

Our Sensor 3 was pretty wound up after this event happened. Same crew was
involved in the Tashkent incident a month before, when that Soviet Kara-class
cruiser fired an SA-7 vertically, which then began to track the passing P-3...
According to the Soviets at the next INCSEA conference, the crew of the P-3 was
notified by a broadcast on Channel 16 by the Soviets that they were announcing
a closure of the airspace for a planned missile test. From the right rear
observer window, it looked like it came out of the SA-N-4 mount on Tashkent's
port side - the pilot in the right seat hollered a warning and rolled over,
diving away from the rising column of smoke, angling in our general direction.


Life with that VP-48 crew was always interesting.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

[D. Strang]

"Jim Thomas" > wrote
> Ed Rasimus > wrote
> > With SA-2 and APR-36/37 (or APR-25/26 or ALR-46) which is what I
> > carried, the Fan-Song search comes in low and high PRF (pulse
> > recurrence frequency).
>
> PRF is "pulse repetition frequency".

Actually, both are used, with recurrence more of an old-style (50's).

[Ed Rasimus]

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:16:04 -0500, "D. Strang"
> wrote:

>"Jim Thomas" > wrote
>> Ed Rasimus > wrote
>> > With SA-2 and APR-36/37 (or APR-25/26 or ALR-46) which is what I
>> > carried, the Fan-Song search comes in low and high PRF (pulse
>> > recurrence frequency).
>>
>> PRF is "pulse repetition frequency".
>
>Actually, both are used, with recurrence more of an old-style (50's).
>
Gimme a break here....'60s and '70s. I ain't old enough to have been
dealing with radar signatures from the '50s. But, you are correct in
principle. The terminology we used when I was in that business was
recurrence.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Tex Houston]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> Gimme a break here....'60s and '70s. I ain't old enough to have been
> dealing with radar signatures from the '50s. But, you are correct in
> principle. The terminology we used when I was in that business was
> recurrence.
>
>
> Ed Rasimus

Break out that silk scarf, Ed!

Tex (who is just leaving to go to the airshow)

[Buzzer]

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:54:26 -0600, Ed Rasimus
> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:16:04 -0500, "D. Strang"
> wrote:
>
>>"Jim Thomas" > wrote
>>> Ed Rasimus > wrote
>>> > With SA-2 and APR-36/37 (or APR-25/26 or ALR-46) which is what I
>>> > carried, the Fan-Song search comes in low and high PRF (pulse
>>> > recurrence frequency).
>>>
>>> PRF is "pulse repetition frequency".
>>
>>Actually, both are used, with recurrence more of an old-style (50's).
>>
>Gimme a break here....'60s and '70s. I ain't old enough to have been
>dealing with radar signatures from the '50s. But, you are correct in
>principle. The terminology we used when I was in that business was
>recurrence.

But the SA-2 was from the '50s!

[D. Strang]

"Buzzer" > wrote
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:54:26 -0600, Ed Rasimus
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:16:04 -0500, "D. Strang"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"Jim Thomas" > wrote
> >>> Ed Rasimus > wrote
> >>> > With SA-2 and APR-36/37 (or APR-25/26 or ALR-46) which is what I
> >>> > carried, the Fan-Song search comes in low and high PRF (pulse
> >>> > recurrence frequency).
> >>>
> >>> PRF is "pulse repetition frequency".
> >>
> >>Actually, both are used, with recurrence more of an old-style (50's).
> >>
> >Gimme a break here....'60s and '70s. I ain't old enough to have been
> >dealing with radar signatures from the '50s. But, you are correct in
> >principle. The terminology we used when I was in that business was
> >recurrence.
>
> But the SA-2 was from the '50s!

Well, I mean radars designed in the 50's. A lot of theory books from that era
(equipment used in the 60's) used recurrence.

Minor nit...