Berger stuffs inadvertantly!

[Tom Swift]

Former president Bill Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, is
under criminal investigation and subject to FBI searches of his home and his
office since he was caught - probably by hidden cameras - purloining copies
of highly classified terrorism documents and his own handwritten notes from
a secure reading room at the National Archives in Washington. This event
took place, according to the Associated Press, during preparations to
testify at the Sept. 11 commission hearings after Clinton asked him to
review and select the administration documents to be turned over to the
panel.

This year, Berger has been informally advising Democratic presidential
candidate John Kerry.

Even after Berger voluntarily returned documents, two or three drafts are
still missing of a sensitive, after-action report criticizing the Clinton
administration's handling of al Qaeda millennium threats and identifying
American vulnerabilities at airports and sea ports.

The former national security adviser was also found in possession of a small
number of classified papers containing his handwritten notes from the Middle
East peace talks during the 1990s. They are not the focus of the current
criminal probe.

The FBI searches occurred after National Archives employees reported they
saw Berger place documents in his jacket and pants and then noticed some
documents missing. Three still are. Berger admitted to "sloppiness" and
"inadvertently" taking copies of classified documents. They were all
immediately returned, he said, except for a few that he had "apparently
accidentally discarded."

The Berger affair is pennies from heaven for the Bush presidential campaign
with important bearing on the inquiries into intelligence performance prior
to the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq War. It is also of deep significance for
Israel.

For months, President George W. Bush and vice president Dick Cheney have
been under unremitting attack in official probes, films and books for bad
decisions and "flawed intelligence" in the war on terrorism and for
misrepresenting the grounds for going to war in Iraq. In the privacy of the
Bush White House, presidential aides grumble that the Clinton administration
's failure to properly handle rising threats from Osama bin Laden and Saddam
Hussein in the 1990s left these ticking bombs in Bush's lap. Clinton was
said to have ignored the many warnings reaching him, including a specific
threat against New York's World Trade Center. However, Bush has always
forbidden his campaign staff to point the finger at his predecessor in the
White House for the ills of today, just as Clinton refrains from criticizing
the incumbent.

The actions of his former aide have changed these rules.

Presidential challenger Kerry will have to think twice before attacking Bush
on national security issues lest he lay himself open to reminders that a
former Clinton aide and his own adviser was caught red-handed
misappropriating classified materials that revealed how a Democratic
president mishandled the threat of terror.

Berger was closely involved in more than one Labor-led Israeli government's
controversial handling of the peace process during the Clinton years. A
founding father of Israel's dovish Peace Now movement, the adviser was a
friend of the late prime minister Yitzhak Rabin and Ehud Barak. He was less
close to Shimon Peres, preferring to deal with his aide Yossi Bailin, the
current leader of Israel's far left Yahad party.

According to DEBKAfile's sources, Berger removed his notes from Middle East
peace talks from the National Archives in view of the unfortunate sequels of
the Clinton presidency's two central, mutually supportive policies. On the
one hand, Clinton pushed hard for accommodations between Israel, the
Palestinians and its Arab neighbors, while at the same time nurturing
American ties in the Arab and Muslim world. He hoped to gain the trust of
Arab and Muslim leaders for peace with Israel while persuading the Jewish
state to be forthcoming with concessions. However, Clinton's expectation of
a Middle East peace triumph at the White House in the wake of the 1993 Oslo
Accords melted down in the ensuing blight of the Palestinian suicide terror
confrontation that continues to beset the region.

The consequences of his second policy line were still more sweeping.

In deciding to go to war in 1998 on the Muslim Albanian side of the Balkans
against the Christian Serbs, Clinton may have been influenced by the
atrocities committed there but he was in essence pursuing his global
strategy. He chose to elide the fact that Iranian Revolutionary Guards and
al Qaeda cells - most Saudi-dominated - were fighting alongside Albanian and
Bosnian Muslims - as did his advisers, especially Berger and secretary of
state Madeline Albright. Islamic extremists and Arab terrorists as well as
the Saddam regime prospered unnoticed in the Clinton years. Al Qaeda was
allowed to build up in the Balkans a central logistical base for operations
in Europe, from which the Hamburg cell later derived back-up for plotting
the 9/11 attacks against America.

Berger is the second Clinton-era official to face prosecution for
withdrawing classified materials from secure premises. Former CIA director
John Deutsch was pardoned by Clinton hours before he left office and saved
from paying the price for taking home laptops with classified materials in
1996. Earlier, Deutsch resigned.

The case of Sandy Berger differs because the charges against him arise from
the request of a former president in connection with an official probe.
There will always be a question hanging over the precise nature of this
request. Did the former adviser copy and "discard" documents at Clinton's
behest or his own initiative? In the absence of answers, a cloud of
suspicion will hang over the affair and almost certainly influence American
opinion before and after November's presidential election.

[Mark]

I guess former administration officials are dealt with differently than us
'common' folk....

Would think the National Archives would be smart enough to allow access to
COPIES and not the originals!!!!!

duh

Mark

"Tom Swift" > wrote in message
...
>
> Former president Bill Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger,
is
> under criminal investigation and subject to FBI searches of his home and
his
> office since he was caught - probably by hidden cameras - purloining
copies
> of highly classified terrorism documents and his own handwritten notes
from
> a secure reading room at the National Archives in Washington. This event
> took place, according to the Associated Press, during preparations to
> testify at the Sept. 11 commission hearings after Clinton asked him to
> review and select the administration documents to be turned over to the
> panel.
>
> This year, Berger has been informally advising Democratic presidential
> candidate John Kerry.
>
> Even after Berger voluntarily returned documents, two or three drafts are
> still missing of a sensitive, after-action report criticizing the Clinton
> administration's handling of al Qaeda millennium threats and identifying
> American vulnerabilities at airports and sea ports.
>
> The former national security adviser was also found in possession of a
small
> number of classified papers containing his handwritten notes from the
Middle
> East peace talks during the 1990s. They are not the focus of the current
> criminal probe.
>
> The FBI searches occurred after National Archives employees reported they
> saw Berger place documents in his jacket and pants and then noticed some
> documents missing. Three still are. Berger admitted to "sloppiness" and
> "inadvertently" taking copies of classified documents. They were all
> immediately returned, he said, except for a few that he had "apparently
> accidentally discarded."
>
> The Berger affair is pennies from heaven for the Bush presidential
campaign
> with important bearing on the inquiries into intelligence performance
prior
> to the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq War. It is also of deep significance for
> Israel.
>
> For months, President George W. Bush and vice president Dick Cheney have
> been under unremitting attack in official probes, films and books for bad
> decisions and "flawed intelligence" in the war on terrorism and for
> misrepresenting the grounds for going to war in Iraq. In the privacy of
the
> Bush White House, presidential aides grumble that the Clinton
administration
> 's failure to properly handle rising threats from Osama bin Laden and
Saddam
> Hussein in the 1990s left these ticking bombs in Bush's lap. Clinton was
> said to have ignored the many warnings reaching him, including a specific
> threat against New York's World Trade Center. However, Bush has always
> forbidden his campaign staff to point the finger at his predecessor in the
> White House for the ills of today, just as Clinton refrains from
criticizing
> the incumbent.
>
> The actions of his former aide have changed these rules.
>
> Presidential challenger Kerry will have to think twice before attacking
Bush
> on national security issues lest he lay himself open to reminders that a
> former Clinton aide and his own adviser was caught red-handed
> misappropriating classified materials that revealed how a Democratic
> president mishandled the threat of terror.
>
> Berger was closely involved in more than one Labor-led Israeli
government's
> controversial handling of the peace process during the Clinton years. A
> founding father of Israel's dovish Peace Now movement, the adviser was a
> friend of the late prime minister Yitzhak Rabin and Ehud Barak. He was
less
> close to Shimon Peres, preferring to deal with his aide Yossi Bailin, the
> current leader of Israel's far left Yahad party.
>
> According to DEBKAfile's sources, Berger removed his notes from Middle
East
> peace talks from the National Archives in view of the unfortunate sequels
of
> the Clinton presidency's two central, mutually supportive policies. On the
> one hand, Clinton pushed hard for accommodations between Israel, the
> Palestinians and its Arab neighbors, while at the same time nurturing
> American ties in the Arab and Muslim world. He hoped to gain the trust of
> Arab and Muslim leaders for peace with Israel while persuading the Jewish
> state to be forthcoming with concessions. However, Clinton's expectation
of
> a Middle East peace triumph at the White House in the wake of the 1993
Oslo
> Accords melted down in the ensuing blight of the Palestinian suicide
terror
> confrontation that continues to beset the region.
>
> The consequences of his second policy line were still more sweeping.
>
> In deciding to go to war in 1998 on the Muslim Albanian side of the
Balkans
> against the Christian Serbs, Clinton may have been influenced by the
> atrocities committed there but he was in essence pursuing his global
> strategy. He chose to elide the fact that Iranian Revolutionary Guards and
> al Qaeda cells - most Saudi-dominated - were fighting alongside Albanian
and
> Bosnian Muslims - as did his advisers, especially Berger and secretary of
> state Madeline Albright. Islamic extremists and Arab terrorists as well as
> the Saddam regime prospered unnoticed in the Clinton years. Al Qaeda was
> allowed to build up in the Balkans a central logistical base for
operations
> in Europe, from which the Hamburg cell later derived back-up for plotting
> the 9/11 attacks against America.
>
> Berger is the second Clinton-era official to face prosecution for
> withdrawing classified materials from secure premises. Former CIA director
> John Deutsch was pardoned by Clinton hours before he left office and saved
> from paying the price for taking home laptops with classified materials in
> 1996. Earlier, Deutsch resigned.
>
> The case of Sandy Berger differs because the charges against him arise
from
> the request of a former president in connection with an official probe.
> There will always be a question hanging over the precise nature of this
> request. Did the former adviser copy and "discard" documents at Clinton's
> behest or his own initiative? In the absence of answers, a cloud of
> suspicion will hang over the affair and almost certainly influence
American
> opinion before and after November's presidential election.
>
>
>

[Ed Rasimus]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:50:32 GMT, "Mark"
> wrote:

>I guess former administration officials are dealt with differently than us
>'common' folk....
>
>Would think the National Archives would be smart enough to allow access to
>COPIES and not the originals!!!!!
>
>duh
>
>Mark
>
Would also think that a former National Security Advisor would be
pretty well versed in how to handle classified and might deduce that
stuffing it in your sock to take home is a no-no.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[B2431]

>From: Ed Rasimus
>Date: 7/20/2004 4:58 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:50:32 GMT, "Mark"
> wrote:
>
>>I guess former administration officials are dealt with differently than us
>>'common' folk....
>>
>>Would think the National Archives would be smart enough to allow access to
>>COPIES and not the originals!!!!!
>>
>>duh
>>
>>Mark
>>
>Would also think that a former National Security Advisor would be
>pretty well versed in how to handle classified and might deduce that
>stuffing it in your sock to take home is a no-no.
>
>
>Ed Rasimus
>Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
>"When Thunder Rolled"
>Smithsonian Institution Press
>ISBN #1-58834-103-8

All the more reason to press charges and given the max if convicted.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dudley Henriques]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:50:32 GMT, "Mark"
> > wrote:
>
> >I guess former administration officials are dealt with differently
than us
> >'common' folk....
> >
> >Would think the National Archives would be smart enough to allow
access to
> >COPIES and not the originals!!!!!
> >
> >duh
> >
> >Mark
> >
> Would also think that a former National Security Advisor would be
> pretty well versed in how to handle classified and might deduce that
> stuffing it in your sock to take home is a no-no.

I think I'm getting AWFULLY close to that point with this kind of thing
where that old proverbial house doesn't have to fall on me any more.
:-)))
Dudley

[Tom Swift]

"Dudley Henriques" <wrote in message
>
> "Ed Rasimus" < wrote in message
> > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:50:32 GMT, "Mark"
> > <wrote:


CLINTON AIDE ACCIDENTALLY TAKES 9/11 DOCS, NOTES, JOLLY RANCHERS

Former Clinton Administration National Security Advisor Sandy Berger
admitted 'inadvertantly' stuffing highly classified documents and notes into
his pants, absent-mindedly removing them from the national archives on five
occasions, accidentally mailing them to DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe, who
mistakenly buried them in the World Trade Center excavation site.

According to FBI sources, Berger also stopped off at a Bethesda, MD Chevron
FoodMart, where he inadvertantly stuffed his pants with three bags of Jolly
Ranchers, a 24-pack of Bud Lite, a copy of Maxim magazine, and Listerine
Pocket Mints before driving off without paying for 14 gallons of unleaded
super.

An apologetic Berger said that "my bad," and offered to return several cans
of Bud Lite to the Chevron.

[Mark]

Another oddity (as if it's not strange enough, even by Inside the Beltway
standards) is that although he was 'observed' by the Archive personnel
performing his "let me adjust my socks" trick; he was still allowed to walk
out of the door!!!!

One would think (at least I would) that he would be stopped on the spot and
asked 'politely' (of course, befitting his stature) to please " PUT THAT
BACK!!!!"

Mark


"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:50:32 GMT, "Mark"
> > wrote:
>
> >I guess former administration officials are dealt with differently than
us
> >'common' folk....
> >
> >Would think the National Archives would be smart enough to allow access
to
> >COPIES and not the originals!!!!!
> >
> >duh
> >
> >Mark
> >
> Would also think that a former National Security Advisor would be
> pretty well versed in how to handle classified and might deduce that
> stuffing it in your sock to take home is a no-no.
>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> Smithsonian Institution Press
> ISBN #1-58834-103-8

[Paul F Austin]

"Ed Rasimus" wrote
> "Mark" wrote:
>
> >I guess former administration officials are dealt with differently than
us
> >'common' folk....
> >
> >Would think the National Archives would be smart enough to allow access
to
> >COPIES and not the originals!!!!!
> >
> >duh
> >
> >Mark
> >
> Would also think that a former National Security Advisor would be
> pretty well versed in how to handle classified and might deduce that
> stuffing it in your sock to take home is a no-no.

You'd think the same of the DCI (John Deutch), who took home highly
classified material and put it on his PC. Which was connected to the 'net..

[Denyav]

>You'd think the same of the DCI (John Deutch), who took home highly
>classified material and put it on his PC. Which was connected to the 'net..

Do you think Clinton-Lewinsky affair was an innocent flirtation or a Stasi type
operation designed to make Al Gore US president?

[Yeff]

On 21 Jul 2004 02:59:47 GMT, Denyav wrote:

>>You'd think the same of the DCI (John Deutch), who took home highly
>>classified material and put it on his PC. Which was connected to the 'net..
>
> Do you think Clinton-Lewinsky affair was an innocent flirtation or a Stasi type
> operation designed to make Al Gore US president?

The whole thing had something to do with the Freemasons, fluoridated water,
Fidel Castro, and Florida.

-Jeff B. (military aviation wasn't involved at all.)
yeff at erols dot com

[B2431]

>From: Yeff
>Date: 7/20/2004 10:27 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 21 Jul 2004 02:59:47 GMT, Denyav wrote:
>
>>>You'd think the same of the DCI (John Deutch), who took home highly
>>>classified material and put it on his PC. Which was connected to the 'net..
>>
>> Do you think Clinton-Lewinsky affair was an innocent flirtation or a Stasi
>type
>> operation designed to make Al Gore US president?
>
>The whole thing had something to do with the Freemasons, fluoridated water,
>Fidel Castro, and Florida.
>
>-Jeff B. (military aviation wasn't involved at all.)
>yeff at erols dot com

Actually all of clinton's affairs were attempts by the Republican party neocons
to to wrest the presidency from an honest man who would never cheat on his wife
unless forced to.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Denyav]

>The whole thing had something to do with the Freemasons, fluoridated water,
>Fidel Castro, and Florida.

Maybe more to do with Rabin assasination and Netanyahu visit.

[Denyav]

>Actually all of clinton's affairs were attempts by the Republican party
>neocons
>to to wrest the presidency from an honest man who would never cheat on his
>wife
>unless forced to.

During Cold War many (West) German politicians and officials lost their jobs
because the young ladies they fall in love with were in fact the "hired"
sirens of dreaded Marcus Wolf .
Who was Ms.Lewinsky?
Who introduced her to White House and to Mr.Clinton?
Who was Ms.Tripp?

Astonishingly,nobody checked (at least publicly) a possible foreign intel
connection in Clinton-Lewinsky affair.
Maybe those who supposed to check a possible foreign intel involvement are too
much concerned about their own involvements in other much more important
events?.
BTW Why and how Senators Gingrich and Lott lost their jobs?
As far as I remember,both of them,Clinton,Gingrich and Lott received exactly
the same letter from PNAC and both refused to comply with their demands

[George Z. Bush]

Denyav wrote:
>> You'd think the same of the DCI (John Deutch), who took home highly
>> classified material and put it on his PC. Which was connected to the 'net..
>
> Do you think Clinton-Lewinsky affair was an innocent flirtation or a Stasi
> type operation designed to make Al Gore US president?

With so talented a group as the Stasi who were able to worm their way (if that's
what you call it) into a president's pants, one has to wonder how come the
government who employed them has disappeared from the face of the earth?
(^-^)))

George Z.

[tscottme]

"Mark" > wrote in message
...
> Another oddity (as if it's not strange enough, even by Inside the Beltway
> standards) is that although he was 'observed' by the Archive personnel
> performing his "let me adjust my socks" trick; he was still allowed to
walk
> out of the door!!!!
>
> One would think (at least I would) that he would be stopped on the spot
and
> asked 'politely' (of course, befitting his stature) to please " PUT THAT
> BACK!!!!"
>
> Mark
>

Wasn't one of Vince Foster's duties asking Clinton officials not to steal
records?

--
Scott

"I guess with John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his running mate, he
really does want to stand up for all Americans, from those worth only $60
million to those worth in excess of $800 million." - Ann Coulter

[tscottme]

"Denyav" > wrote in message
...
> >You'd think the same of the DCI (John Deutch), who took home highly
> >classified material and put it on his PC. Which was connected to the
'net..
>
> Do you think Clinton-Lewinsky affair was an innocent flirtation or a Stasi
type
> operation designed to make Al Gore US president?


Surely the Stasi were smarter than to bet on the stiff spine of Senate
Republicans. I stopped hoping for that somewere between getting my driver's
license and voting for the first time.

--
Scott

"I guess with John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his running mate, he
really does want to stand up for all Americans, from those worth only $60
million to those worth in excess of $800 million." - Ann Coulter

[Denyav]

>With so talented a group as the Stasi who were able to worm their way (if
>that's
>what you call it) into a president's pants, one has to wonder how come the
>government who employed them has disappeared from the face of the earth?

Simple,FRG intel services,unlike US,put every innocent looking flirtation of
FRG politicians and officals under the magnifying glass and many times the name
of Markus Wolf appeared behind these relations.
FRG was pretty succesfull in this regard.

[George Z. Bush]

"Denyav" > wrote in message
...
> >With so talented a group as the Stasi who were able to worm their way (if
> >that's
> >what you call it) into a president's pants, one has to wonder how come the
> >government who employed them has disappeared from the face of the earth?
>
> Simple,FRG intel services,unlike US,put every innocent looking flirtation of
> FRG politicians and officals under the magnifying glass and many times the
name
> of Markus Wolf appeared behind these relations.
> FRG was pretty succesfull in this regard.

If it was that simple, please explain why they were unable to whip out their
trusty magnifying glasses and find some way to prevent themselves from
disappearing with hardly anything of note left behind?

BTW, assuming that English isn't your native tongue, my original question was
really rhetorical (one that didn't require an answer) as is this one. I make my
point simply by asking a question.....the answer (if any at all is given)
doesn't matter.

George Z.

[OXMORON1]

Jeff noted
>The whole thing had something to do with the Freemasons, fluoridated water,
>Fidel Castro, and Florida.

Yeah, it was discussed last night on Coast to Coast about 0'dark thirty.
Aircraft were mentioned, black helicopters!

Rick Clark

[ian maclure]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:21:10 -0400, George Z. Bush wrote:

[snip]

>> Simple,FRG intel services,unlike US,put every innocent looking flirtation of
>> FRG politicians and officals under the magnifying glass and many times the
> name
>> of Markus Wolf appeared behind these relations.
>> FRG was pretty succesfull in this regard.

Is Wolf still around?
I understand he retired when the wall fell and wasn't pursued.
This I do not understand.
I would have thought being able to "debrief" him would have
been a coup for Western Intelligence and a case for holding him under
any number of criminal and national security statutes would seem
to be a mere formality.

IBM

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[ian maclure]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:38:33 +0000, B2431 wrote:

IBM

> Actually all of clinton's affairs were attempts by the Republican party neocons
> to to wrest the presidency from an honest man who would never cheat on his wife
> unless forced to.

Bwahahahaha. Stop it yer killin' me!
Seriously though, I'd think twice before cheating on that
psycho killer shrew of a wife of his.

IBM

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[Tom Swift]

"Paul F Austin" < wrote in message >
> "Ed Rasimus" wrote
> > "Mark" wrote:
> >
> > >I guess former administration officials are dealt with differently than
> us
> > >'common' folk....
> > >
> > >Would think the National Archives would be smart enough to allow access
> to
> > >COPIES and not the originals!!!!!
> > >
> > >duh
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > Would also think that a former National Security Advisor would be
> > pretty well versed in how to handle classified and might deduce that
> > stuffing it in your sock to take home is a no-no.
>
> You'd think the same of the DCI (John Deutch), who took home highly
> classified material and put it on his PC. Which was connected to the
'net..
>
> "Sandy Berger knows better. "And we thought it was bad when they were
only stealing furniture."

[Denyav]

>If it was that simple, please explain why they were unable to whip out their
>trusty magnifying glasses and find some way to prevent themselves from
>disappearing with hardly anything of note left behind?

FRG:Federal Republic of Germany and user of magnifying glasses.
GDR:German Democratic Republic and the employer of Markus Wolf.

I dont think that the user of magnifying glasses (FRG) disapperared without
leaving anything behind,it simply swallowed GDR.