Re: To go around or not go around? - Video

[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNNULCL4Mw
>
> I was to go with a friend as I had not flown with him since he getting
> his PPL
>
> Winds were above his Xwind limits so I told him grab a CFI to
> experience what I considered rather mild crosswinds. I told him I
> wouldn't be comfortable from the right seat and I am not a CFI but
> today was certainly a flyable day. So he called his brother who is a
> CFI.
>
> It would be interesting to hear what others would have done on the
> first landing.
>
> My "Howard Cosell" in the action commentary is in the video.

First of all, if I were landing in a strong crosswind, I would NOT use
full flaps! They aggravate weathervaning and potential loss of control.

I would also carry an extra 10 mph to add controllability.

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[BeechSundowner]

On Jul 13, 3:31*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
> " > wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNNULCL4Mw
>
> > I was to go with a friend as I had not flown with him since he getting
> > his PPL
>
> > Winds were above his Xwind limits so I told him grab a CFI to
> > experience what I considered rather mild crosswinds. *I told him I
> > wouldn't be comfortable from the right seat and I am not a CFI but
> > today was certainly a flyable day. *So he called his brother who is a
> > CFI.
>
> > It would be interesting to hear what others would have done on the
> > first landing.
>
> > My "Howard Cosell" in the action commentary is in the video.
>
> First of all, if I were landing in a strong crosswind, I would NOT use
> full flaps! They aggravate weathervaning and potential loss of control.
>
> I would also carry an extra 10 mph to add controllability.
>
> --
> Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me.

I definitely agree with the lesser flaps myself as I do that in my
Sundowner (most of the time 70 knots on final and 10 degrees of flaps
for me).

Pilot after the flight said he was doing 70 over the numbers. Dunno,
kinda hard to judge airspeed from the outside, but he sure looked fast
to me.

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On Jul 13, 2:31 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:

> First of all, if I were landing in a strong crosswind, I would NOT use
> full flaps! They aggravate weathervaning and potential loss of control.


This wasn't much crosswind, according to that windsock, though it's
hard to see much with the camera shaking so much. One fault I did see,
though, was the ailerons going to neutral right after the touchdown.
That's a good way to lose the airplane sooner or later. The flight
isn't over just because the wheels are on the pavement, and many an
airplane has been badly bent when the pilot figured he was safely
down. Increasing aileron into the wind, eventually right to the stops,
as the airplane slows is the only way to keep the upwind wing from
lifting. Once it lifts it's hard to regain control. And touch-and-goes
don't teach the hardest part of a crosswind landing, either: the
rollout, where the loss of forward speed increases the crosswind
vector angle and the flight controls lose their authority. The old
Champ was fine in crosswinds up to 15 knots or more, but if you
weren't right up to snuff as it slowed in the rollout, it would bite
you real hard. We lost a Champ when a student wasn't paying attention
right after touchdown and the upwind wing lifted, dragging the
downwind wing on the pavement and turning the airplane out of the wind
and into the rough where it went up on its nose.

Dan

[Peter Dohm]

> wrote in message
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> On Jul 13, 2:31 pm, Orval Fairbairn >
> wrote:
>
>> First of all, if I were landing in a strong crosswind, I would NOT use
>> full flaps! They aggravate weathervaning and potential loss of control.
>
>
> This wasn't much crosswind, according to that windsock, though it's
> hard to see much with the camera shaking so much. One fault I did see,
> though, was the ailerons going to neutral right after the touchdown.
> That's a good way to lose the airplane sooner or later. The flight
> isn't over just because the wheels are on the pavement, and many an
> airplane has been badly bent when the pilot figured he was safely
> down. Increasing aileron into the wind, eventually right to the stops,
> as the airplane slows is the only way to keep the upwind wing from
> lifting. Once it lifts it's hard to regain control. And touch-and-goes
> don't teach the hardest part of a crosswind landing, either: the
> rollout, where the loss of forward speed increases the crosswind
> vector angle and the flight controls lose their authority. The old
> Champ was fine in crosswinds up to 15 knots or more, but if you
> weren't right up to snuff as it slowed in the rollout, it would bite
> you real hard. We lost a Champ when a student wasn't paying attention
> right after touchdown and the upwind wing lifted, dragging the
> downwind wing on the pavement and turning the airplane out of the wind
> and into the rough where it went up on its nose.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
Lots of good advice there!

I admit that I nearly wrecked a Cessna 150 through just that sort of
inattention, and I thank God that I was not solo at the time.

By the way, that was nearly 30 years ago and, according to the FAA Database,
that Cessna 150M is still flying and based in Georgia.

Peter