My Camera in Aachen June 1945 [Archive]

ArtKramr

August 19th 04, 07:36 PM

>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>From: Howard Berkowitz
>Date: 8/19/2004 11:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer/Aachen.htm
>
>Art, how much photography had you done before the war? That's a gritty
>journalistic shot that tells a story, but it's obvious you had an eye
>for composition.
>

I got my first camera when I was 10 years old. whne the war came I had alrady
made hundreds of photos and had quite a few published. I carried my camera all
through. When the war ended the Group Photo Officer was sent home and I took
over the photo operation of the 344th bomb Group earning a second MOS. I then
had a few 4x5 Graphics to use and took one along when we passed through Aachen.
Thse shots were mad with a 4x5 Graphic hand held..

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Dave Eadsforth

August 20th 04, 07:55 AM

In article >, ArtKramr
> writes
>>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>>From: Howard Berkowitz
>>Date: 8/19/2004 11:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer/Aachen.htm
>>
>>Art, how much photography had you done before the war? That's a gritty
>>journalistic shot that tells a story, but it's obvious you had an eye
>>for composition.
>>
>
>
>I got my first camera when I was 10 years old. whne the war came I had alrady
>made hundreds of photos and had quite a few published. I carried my camera all
>through. When the war ended the Group Photo Officer was sent home and I took
>over the photo operation of the 344th bomb Group earning a second MOS. I then
>had a few 4x5 Graphics to use and took one along when we passed through Aachen.
>Thse shots were mad with a 4x5 Graphic hand held..
>
>

Good choice of camera - did you manage to hang on to one?

(I have a 2.25 x 3.25 miniature Speed Graphic that still takes really
good pics)

Cheers,

Dave

--
Dave Eadsforth

ArtKramr

August 20th 04, 01:53 PM

>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>From: Dave Eadsforth
>Date: 8/19/2004 11:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >, ArtKramr
> writes
>>>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>>>From: Howard Berkowitz
>>>Date: 8/19/2004 11:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer/Aachen.htm
>>>
>>>Art, how much photography had you done before the war? That's a gritty
>>>journalistic shot that tells a story, but it's obvious you had an eye
>>>for composition.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I got my first camera when I was 10 years old. whne the war came I had
>alrady
>>made hundreds of photos and had quite a few published. I carried my camera
>all
>>through. When the war ended the Group Photo Officer was sent home and I took
>>over the photo operation of the 344th bomb Group earning a second MOS. I
>then
>>had a few 4x5 Graphics to use and took one along when we passed through
>Aachen.
>>Thse shots were mad with a 4x5 Graphic hand held..
>>
>>
>
>Good choice of camera - did you manage to hang on to one?
>
>(I have a 2.25 x 3.25 miniature Speed Graphic that still takes really
>good pics)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave
>
>--
>Dave Eadsforth
>

I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Howard Berkowitz

August 21st 04, 01:45 AM

In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

>
> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
>
*whimper*

ArtKramr

August 21st 04, 02:14 AM

>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>From: Howard Berkowitz
>Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
>>
>*whimper*
>

Whoooopeeee!

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Howard Berkowitz

August 21st 04, 03:30 AM

In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

> >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
> >From: Howard Berkowitz
> >Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >In article >,
> (ArtKramr) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
> >>
> >*whimper*
> >
>
>
> Whoooopeeee!
>
Are you using a digital large format back, or has the big stuff gone the
way of the darkroom?

I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've never
stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start to
become visible in the developer.

ArtKramr

August 21st 04, 03:38 AM

>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>From: Howard Berkowitz
>Date: 8/20/2004 7:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>> >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>> >From: Howard Berkowitz
>> >Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >In article >,
>> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
>> >>
>> >*whimper*
>> >
>>
>>
>> Whoooopeeee!
>>
>Are you using a digital large format back, or has the big stuff gone the
>way of the darkroom?
>
>I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
>going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've never
>stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start to
>become visible in the developer.
>

All the large and medium format stuff is gone. Now instead of watching the
image come up in the developer, I watch it roll off the printer. (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Howard Berkowitz

August 21st 04, 04:50 AM

In article >,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

> >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
> >From: Howard Berkowitz
> >Date: 8/20/2004 7:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >In article >,
> (ArtKramr) wrote:
> >
> >> >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
> >> >From: Howard Berkowitz
> >> >Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: >
> >> >
> >> >In article >,
> >> (ArtKramr) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
> >> >>
> >> >*whimper*
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Whoooopeeee!
> >>
> >Are you using a digital large format back, or has the big stuff gone the
> >way of the darkroom?
> >
> >I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
> >going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've never
> >stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start to
> >become visible in the developer.
> >
>
>
> All the large and medium format stuff is gone. Now instead of watching the
> image come up in the developer, I watch it roll off the printer. (grin)
>
>
Is it that I'm too young or too old to cope with that? Of course,
Photoshop is too different a model than an enlarger.

Brian Colwell

August 21st 04, 05:48 PM

"Howard Berkowitz" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
> > >From: Howard Berkowitz
> > >Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > >Message-id: >
> > >
> > >In article >,
> > (ArtKramr) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
> > >>
> > >*whimper*
> > >
> >
> >
> > Whoooopeeee!
> >
> Are you using a digital large format back, or has the big stuff gone the
> way of the darkroom?
>
> I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
> going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've never
> stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start to
> become visible in the developer.

If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing prints
out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))

BMC

ArtKramr

August 21st 04, 06:13 PM

>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>From: "Brian Colwell"
>Date: 8/21/2004 9:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <Z1LVc.174974$gE.11286@pd7tw3no>
>
>
>"Howard Berkowitz" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >,
>> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>>
>> > >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>> > >From: Howard Berkowitz
>> > >Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> > >Message-id: >
>> > >
>> > >In article >,
>> > (ArtKramr) wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
>> > >>
>> > >*whimper*
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Whoooopeeee!
>> >
>> Are you using a digital large format back, or has the big stuff gone the
>> way of the darkroom?
>>
>> I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
>> going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've never
>> stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start to
>> become visible in the developer.
>
>If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing prints
>out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))
>
>BMC

That was working with POP (printing out paper) and it wasn't my dad doing the
printing. (sigh)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Brian Colwell

August 21st 04, 06:41 PM

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
> >From: "Brian Colwell"
> >Date: 8/21/2004 9:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <Z1LVc.174974$gE.11286@pd7tw3no>
> >
> >
> >"Howard Berkowitz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In article >,
> >> (ArtKramr) wrote:
> >>
> >> > >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
> >> > >From: Howard Berkowitz
> >> > >Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >> > >Message-id: >
> >> > >
> >> > >In article >,
> >> > (ArtKramr) wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
> >> > >>
> >> > >*whimper*
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Whoooopeeee!
> >> >
> >> Are you using a digital large format back, or has the big stuff gone
the
> >> way of the darkroom?
> >>
> >> I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
> >> going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've
never
> >> stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start
to
> >> become visible in the developer.
> >
> >If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing
prints
> >out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))
> >
> >BMC
>
>
> That was working with POP (printing out paper) and it wasn't my dad doing
the
> printing. (sigh)
>
>
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

If I remember correctly, they ended up with a brown and white finish. ?

Regards,
BMC

Howard Berkowitz

August 21st 04, 11:54 PM

In article <Z1LVc.174974$gE.11286@pd7tw3no>, "Brian Colwell"
> wrote:

> "Howard Berkowitz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > (ArtKramr) wrote:
> >
> > I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
> > going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've
> > never
> > stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start
> > to
> > become visible in the developer.
>
> If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing
> prints
> out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))
>
> BMC
>
>

Hmmmm...well, I did experiment with some cyanotypes like that!

Howard Berkowitz

August 21st 04, 11:56 PM

In article <APLVc.166115$M95.93917@pd7tw1no>, "Brian Colwell"
> wrote:

> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
> > >From: "Brian Colwell"
> > >Date: 8/21/2004 9:48 AM Pacific Standard Time

> > >If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing
> prints
> > >out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))
> > >
> > >BMC
> >
> >
> > That was working with POP (printing out paper) and it wasn't my dad
> > doing
> the
> > printing. (sigh)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Arthur Kramer
> > 344th BG 494th BS
> > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>
> If I remember correctly, they ended up with a brown and white finish. ?
>
> Regards,
> BMC
>
>

The ones I did were blue and white. I used large format negatives in
contact with a paper I made myself -- don't remember the exact formula,
but the dark agent was ferric ferricyanide.

ArtKramr

August 22nd 04, 12:01 AM

>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>From: Howard Berkowitz
>Date: 8/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article <APLVc.166115$M95.93917@pd7tw1no>, "Brian Colwell"
> wrote:
>
>> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>> > >From: "Brian Colwell"
>> > >Date: 8/21/2004 9:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
>
>> > >If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing
>> prints
>> > >out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))
>> > >
>> > >BMC
>> >
>> >
>> > That was working with POP (printing out paper) and it wasn't my dad
>> > doing
>> the
>> > printing. (sigh)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Arthur Kramer
>> > 344th BG 494th BS
>> > England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> > Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> > http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>>
>> If I remember correctly, they ended up with a brown and white finish. ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> BMC
>>
>>
>
>The ones I did were blue and white. I used large format negatives in
>contact with a paper I made myself -- don't remember the exact formula,
>but the dark agent was ferric ferricyanide.
>

Yes.,they were brown and would fade in time. I rinsed them in a plain 5%
Sodium Thiosulfate solution and they turned green and became permanent.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr

August 22nd 04, 12:02 AM

>Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>From: Howard Berkowitz
>Date: 8/21/2004 3:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article <Z1LVc.174974$gE.11286@pd7tw3no>, "Brian Colwell"
> wrote:
>
>> "Howard Berkowitz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > (ArtKramr) wrote:
>> >
>> > I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
>> > going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've
>> > never
>> > stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start
>> > to
>> > become visible in the developer.
>>
>> If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing
>> prints
>> out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))
>>
>> BMC
>>
>>
>
>Hmmmm...well, I did experiment with some cyanotypes like that!
>

Nice process. I liked Carbros.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Dave Eadsforth

August 22nd 04, 12:43 PM

In article <Z1LVc.174974$gE.11286@pd7tw3no>, Brian Colwell
> writes
>
>"Howard Berkowitz" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >,
>> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>>
>> > >Subject: Re: My Camera in Aachen June 1945
>> > >From: Howard Berkowitz
>> > >Date: 8/20/2004 5:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> > >Message-id: >
>> > >
>> > >In article >,
>> > (ArtKramr) wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> I've recently gone 100% digital. Bye Bye Darkroom
>> > >>
>> > >*whimper*
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Whoooopeeee!
>> >
>> Are you using a digital large format back, or has the big stuff gone the
>> way of the darkroom?
>>
>> I have to say I'm waiting for the time and budget to get my darkroom
>> going again. Oh, there's nothing much to film developing, but I've never
>> stopped feeling the magical experience of a black & white print start to
>> become visible in the developer.
>
>If you really want to get nostalgic.....I remember my Father placing prints
>out in the sun to develop them !!! :-))
>
>BMC
>
>
That albumin made the hands awfully black though...

--
Dave Eadsforth