Eric,

I was not advocating that he buy a Std. Cirrus, only pointing out that
I found it a good ship in spite of all the nay sayers that will tell
you how bad any older ship is. I feel the Std. Jantar is a good ship
for a newer pilot, the LS-4 of course is nearly the gold standard in
terms of an 80's vintage gliders. Anything newer will for the most
part have similar handling.

I still love the Std. Cirrus in spite of all the points you make about
it. I flew serial number 17, George Moffat's original Std. Cirrus
that was supposed to stall so badly. I never found it to be a problem
or concern. I could hang it on the tail and out climb almost any other
ship. And yes we Cirri pilots did learn how to slip on final.

If you want fun with a stall, try spinning the Nimbus 2 while trying to
take a turn point picture with the old cameras. That will get your
attention in a hurry.

Tim