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Old April 4th 08, 02:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation,student
Larry Dighera
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Default Getting confused with ATC order...Violation?

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:01:21 -0700 (PDT), RubberWatch
wrote:

Hello-

I am a student pilot. I was out flying solo today and was instructed
by ATC to fly a heading of 210.


What class of airspace were you in at the time?

I thought he said 110 and I flew on that heading. He then told me it
looks like your going the wrong direction i need you to fly 210.


At this stage in your training, you might want to consider informing
the controller on initial call-up, that you are a student. But it
sounds like no paint was swapped, and everything worked out.

I got a bit locked up and said 210.
I ended up on 210 but I really kinda got "mike fright".


The surest cure for radio communications uneasiness is a copy of Bob
Gardner's "Say Again, Please":
http://www.asa2fly.com/Communication..._product1.aspx

Once you know what to expect and what is expected, you'll be more
comfortable.

Anyway, I just wanted to know if this would constitute a violation and
if I might receive something in the mail, etc?


Only the controller knows for sure. :-)

The clock is ticking.

It won't hurt you become familiar with how to file an ASRS form:
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report/electronic.html


http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/overview/briefing/br_6.html
The Immunity Concept

(FAA Advisory Circular AC No. 00-46D)

c. The filing of a report with NASA concerning an incident or
occurrence involving a violation of 49 U.S.C. Subtitle IV, or the
FAR, is considered by FAA to be indicative of a constructive
attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations.
Accordingly, although a finding of a violation may be made,
neither a civil penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed
if:

The violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;

The violation did not involve a criminal offense, or accident, or
action under 49U.S.C. Section 44709 which discloses a lack of
qualification or competency, which are wholly excluded from this
policy:

The person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action
to have committed a violation of 49 U.S. C. Subtitle VIII, or any
regulation promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the
date of the occurrence; and

The person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, he or
she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the
incident or occurrence to NASA under ASRS. See paragraphs 5c and
7b. NOTE: Paragraph 9 does not apply to air traffic controllers.



He later told me to
"resume own navigaion" and I did not know what that meant...I asked
him if I could do my airwork and he said resume on navigation meant I
can do anything I want.


ATC phraseology is standardized. A competent airman uses standard
terms when communicating with ATC. You'll find it all he
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff.../PCG/index.htm

That said, you did good asking the controller for clarification.
Never be afraid to query the controller about any possible
misunderstanding.

He did not ask me to call a land line or anything like that, though
when I requested to change to my CTAF as I had the airport in site, he
said frequency change approved and squalk VFR when I am on the ground.

Any thoughts?
SD


Your instructor will be impressed when you tell him you filed a NASA
form and now know how to communicate with ATC in standard phraseology.

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