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Old July 8th 04, 01:32 PM
Paul J. Adam
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In message , robert
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44


No, the Russians first invented the assault rifle in 1916 with the
Federov Avtomat.


Sorry, Mauser issued the first automatic rifles Flieger Selbslader
Karbiner in 1915 as aircraft observers guns.


So you're now going from "selective-fire rifle with lower-power
ammunition", the normal definition of an assault rifle (and one filled
admirably by the Federov) to simply "semi-automatic rifle"? In that
case, then you're batting level with Mexico, who had designed the
Mondragon (which was possibly the first automatic rifle to be formally
adopted as a service arm - by the Mexican Army in 1908).

Interestingly, the Mondragon was bought in numbers by Germany in 1914,
for use by aviators. Not needing oiled cartridges probably helped.

These were followed by
the experimental infantry Model 16 in 1916. The very first Mauser
experimental rifles were tested in 1908... well before the Avtomat.
(From the Encyclopedia of Firearms by Ian V. Hogg)


But the Avtomat was a selective-fire weapon, and controllable in
full-auto: the Mauser and Mondragon weapons were not. Or was the M1
Garand an "assault rifle"?

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?


Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs.


No, they've got the G36.

Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!


No, it didn't (Nipolit was a moderately interesting idea, but has
virtually nothing to do with the G11's design: the key breakthrough was
raising the cook-off temperature sufficiently)

Rob

p.s. Nice try


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