AH and minimum equip list

My sailplane lists an Artificial Horizon as part of the minimum
equipment list, I made it that way for safety. Am I now prevented from
flying in competition?

Brad

To be clear, the requirement is not part of the HP-24 design.

Thanks, Bob K.

On Feb 9, 10:07*am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
To be clear, the requirement is not part of the HP-24 design.

Thanks, Bob K.

So it looks like my Tetra-15 will not be able to compete because I
elected to install an AH for safety reasons.

That's ok................it makes it easier now to continue with
recreational flying rather than see how well it and I might have done
in competition.

Brad

On Feb 9, 10:04*am, Brad wrote:
My sailplane lists an Artificial Horizon as part of the minimum
equipment list, I made it that way for safety. Am I now prevented from
flying in competition?

Brad

Seems to be a strange thing to have done. Nothing stops you adding
anything on top of the minimum listed equipment. If I had the choice
I'd include only airspeed indicator and altimeter and I'd include the
option for those both to be electronic.

Someone will say - what about the compass? That's not on my minimum
list now and when PF is finally available the useless compass will go
away to make room for the PF display.

I believe the answer to your qustion is - Yes.

Andy

On Feb 9, 10:27*am, Brad wrote:

So it looks like my Tetra-15 will not be able to compete because I
elected to install an AH for safety reasons.

No, that is not necessarily the case. It should be fairly easy to have
your paperwork amended to remove the equipment list. Then you can
carry the AH when you want, and deactivate it for contests.

When I was campaigning the HP-11 I had a 1940s vintage turn gyro in
the center of the panel, but with no vacuum source. It was mostly for
ballast, but it also had a working skin/slip ball. During contests I
just put a Post-It note that said "INOP" on the glass over the turn
needle. Nobody ever dinged me on it.

Thanks, Bob K.

On Feb 9, 10:37*am, Andy wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:04*am, Brad wrote:

My sailplane lists an Artificial Horizon as part of the minimum
equipment list, I made it that way for safety. Am I now prevented from
flying in competition?

Brad

Seems to be a strange thing to have done. *Nothing stops you adding
anything on top of the minimum listed equipment. *If I had the choice
I'd include only airspeed indicator and altimeter and I'd include the
option for those both to be electronic.

Someone will say *- what about the compass? That's not on my minimum
list now and when PF is finally available the useless compass will go
away to make room for the PF display.

I believe the answer to your qustion is - Yes.

Andy

It may seem like a strange thing to pilots never caught in a cloud or
trying to descend thru a rapidly closing blue hole, but I would rathar
have the unit in place for obvious reasons.

Flying competition was a fleeting fancy for me, and the AH issue
pretty much resolves my decision to stay a recreational flyer. Perhaps
when Bob get's another HP-24 made he will learn from my mistake.

If I was a little smarter I might be able to craft a reasonably
coherent argument conflating all the safety talks we are regularly
treated to with the AH/Competition issue, but since I am not a comp
pilot, or a literary wiz I will let it go at that.

Brad

On Feb 9, 12:08*pm, Brad wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:37*am, Andy wrote:





On Feb 9, 10:04*am, Brad wrote:

My sailplane lists an Artificial Horizon as part of the minimum
equipment list, I made it that way for safety. Am I now prevented from
flying in competition?

Brad

Seems to be a strange thing to have done. *Nothing stops you adding
anything on top of the minimum listed equipment. *If I had the choice
I'd include only airspeed indicator and altimeter and I'd include the
option for those both to be electronic.

Someone will say *- what about the compass? That's not on my minimum
list now and when PF is finally available the useless compass will go
away to make room for the PF display.

I believe the answer to your qustion is - Yes.

Andy

It may seem like a strange thing to pilots never caught in a cloud or
trying to descend thru a rapidly closing blue hole, but I would rathar
have the unit in place for obvious reasons.

Flying competition was a fleeting fancy for me, and the AH issue
pretty much resolves my decision to stay a recreational flyer. Perhaps
when Bob get's another HP-24 made he will learn from my mistake.

If I was a little smarter I might be able to craft a reasonably
coherent argument conflating all the safety talks we are regularly
treated to with the AH/Competition issue, but since I am not a comp
pilot, or a literary wiz I will let it go at that.

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You arguments support installing an AH but nothing you said explains
why you chose to include it in the minimum equipment list.

Of course I completely understand that you are under no obligation to
explain that choice.

Andy

On Feb 9, 2:01*pm, Andy wrote:

You arguments support installing an AH but nothing you said explains
why you chose to include it in the minimum equipment list.

Of course I completely understand that you are under no obligation to
explain that choice.

Andy

Have to agree with Andy on this, Brad. By all means, install it if
you want it. Just understand that now you cannot fly it if your
battery isn't charged and it is a blue day. Is that really what you
wanted to do to yourself? There are planes out there that are only
required to have an airspeed indicator. So you can mark and stay
within airspeed limitations. Everything else is "extra".

Steve

Interesting that Steve would relate that some gliders are only required to have an ASI...
In Canada, the regulations require ASI, Alt and Compass... possibly a two-way radio (depending on the airspace).
There's a lot of overlap between Canadian and U.S. regs; that's an odd deviation.

On Feb 9, 9:14 pm, "C-FFKQ (42)" wrote:
Interesting that Steve would relate that some gliders are only required to have an ASI...
In Canada, the regulations require ASI, Alt and Compass... possibly a two-way radio (depending on the airspace).
There's a lot of overlap between Canadian and U.S. regs; that's an odd deviation.

Those only required to have an airspeed are 1-26 and 2-22. Old
stuff. I think the 2-33 is required to have more. Altimeter and
compass, I think. I am more than willing to add more than the
absolute minimum to my panel, but I am always cautious of requiring
more than I need to safely fly under certain conditions. And if I
don't have what is needed to fly a specific day, well then, I won't
fly that day.

Steve