(OT) What is Boeing up to???

Asked these question in another NG:

It looks like Boeing is ready to replace the 747 with the 777, that the
Dreamliner (787, 7E7) is coming online to replace the 757 and 767 and that
the 737 will be medium product. Is this correct?

How fast will this happen? What happened to the idea of the 767 as a
refueling platform? As a SIGINT platform?

: The Boeing 757 has already gone away as the production line shut down
: late last year. The 787 aka 7E7 is the replacement for the 767 for the
: commercial market. The commercial orders for the 767 have dwindled, so
: unless Boeing gets orders for a tanker version or other military orders,
: the production line may get shut down soon. 747-400 is still in
: production, but Boeing is not getting many new orders the last I read on
: that.
:
: Alan F

:
http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...24.htm?chan=db
:
: APRIL 13, 2005
:
: NEWS ANALYSIS :TECH
: By Stanley Holmes
:
: Boeing: A Comeback in the Air
:
: A pending deal with Northwest suggests an aggressive strategy is paying
: dividends -- and giving rival Airbus a major headache
: For Boeing (BA ), selling its new, fuel-sipping 787s to Northwest
: Airlines (NWAC ) -- the world's third-largest Airbus customer -- could
: prove to be a turning point in the longtime rivalry between the storied
: airplane makers. For the past five years, the Europeans have won key
: sales campaigns, launching innovative airplanes like the A380
: superjumbo, and scoring major public relations gains against the
: sometimes politically tone-deaf U.S. airplane company.
: snip
:
: --
: Mike Easter

This is a useful resource for lots of a/c - snippages below. Much more
at the site; seems to be missing the 777-300 stretch

http://www.aircraft-info.net/aircraf...rcraft/boeing/
Boeing 787 - 7E7
Boeing 737-400
Boeing 777-200
Boeing 747-400
Boeing 727-100
Boeing 727-200

737-400 Performance

Max cruising speed 912km/h (492kt), long range cruising speed 813km/h
(439kt). Standard version range with max payload 4005km (2160nm),
typical range with 146 passengers 3630km (1960nm). High gross weight
option range with 146 passengers 3850km (2080nm).

Boeing 777-200 Performance

Typical cruising speed 905km/h (490kt).
777-200 - Range 229 tonne MTOW 7000km (3780nm), 233 tonne MTOW 7778km
(4200nm), 247 tonne MTOW range 9537km (5150nm).
777-200ER - 263 tonne MTOW range 11,037km (5960nm), 286 tonne MTOW range
14,316km (7730nm).
777-200LR - Max range 16,417km (8865nm)

ME: I can't find info on the stretched 777-300 at that site

Boeing 7E7 Configurations:

- Boeing 787-3 - 7E7-3 Dreamliner, optimized for shorter flights, will
carry 289 passengers in two classes up to 6.500 kilometers.
- Boeing 787-8 - 7E7-8 Dreamliner will carry 217 passengers in three
classes, with a range of up to 15.700 kilometers.
- Boeing 787-9 - 7E7-9 Dreamliner, a longer version of the 787-8 -
7E7-8, will carry 257 passengers in three classes up to 15,400
kilometers.

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=107

777-300 - Typical cruising speed 893km/h (482kt). Range with 386 three
class passengers 10,595km (5720nm).
777-300ER - Range with 365 passengers 13,427km (7,250nm).


--
Mike Easter

what I am asking is what markets are the 737, 777 and 787 for?

I gave the links because it is hard to answer that question succinctly,
considering the configurations.

The 737s are narrow body, in 9 different models 100-900, short to medium
range.

It looks like the 737 is the short haul, 100 to 300 PAX
and the 777 is the long haul, widebody

The 777 is widebody, long and ultralong range, in a 200 and 300 series,
where the 300 can replace older 747s.

"The stretched 777-300 is designed as a replacement for early generation
747s (747-100s and 200s). Compared to the older 747s the stretched 777
has comparable passenger capacity and range, but burns one third less
fuel and features 40% lower maintenance costs. "

the 787 is the medium sized (200 to 400) that can haul the same
distance as the 747.

The 787 is a whole different airplane than before. There's a baseline,
shortrange, and stretched version. "The cutting-edge, twin-engine,
230-seater offers enviable operating economics in a cost-conscious era:
It consumes 20% less fuel and costs 10% less to operate than other
jetliners its size. - Boeing execs say the 787, the first commercial
jetliner built out of carbon fiber, will offer passengers more comfort
and require up to a third less maintenance than current commercial
jets."

But, it doesn't carry as many pax as the later 747s, 747-400, carrying
420 pax. There's a bigger 747 in the works, the 747 advance, stretched,
new engines, 450 pax.

Is this correct?

With those adjustments.

--
Mike Easter

Omega wrote:
The 737 is designed for shorter haul,
100 to 300 passengers?

narrowbody
737-900 does 189 pax.
short to medium

The 787 is 300 to 400, but with the ability
to haul longer distances (maybe equal to the 747)

newest B widebody
787 shortrange does 289 pax.
787 extended does 260 longrange

and the 777 is the
new widebody (over 400 PAX) with long haul capacity?

widebody
777-200 does 386 pax longrange, max 440?
777-300 "Typical passenger accommodation for 386 (30 first, 84 business
and 254 economy) to 394 in three class arrangements, 400 to 479 in two
class arrangements or up to 550 in an all economy high density
configuration."


--
Mike Easter


:
: How different are the flight decks of these craft? The reason I am
asking is that it would make sense for Boeing to have an uniform flight deck
so
: that pilots can transition from plane to plane easily. Also an uniform
: flight deck means that there would only be a need for one simulator for
: training purposes.
:
: Well the common flight deck layout has worked very well for Airbus
: aircraft, and it would be foolish for Boeing not to follow suit,
: especially since these days virtually everything will be on a few
: large MFDs. The only real difference required is how many throttle
: levers do you need!
: --

Well, it looks like Boeing has decided on having just two engines. So that
limits the number of throttles needed.

A common flight deck layout, with a glass cockpit (MFD), makes sense. It
makes it easier for simulators in that it is aircraft performance (weight,
size, range) that makes the difference, not how the cockpit is laid out.....

In the long term it would cut costs for Boeing. My guess is that is why
Airbus went that way.




:

Boeing seems to have an edge on aircraft that are fuel economical.

what I am asking is what markets are the 737, 777 and 787 for?

It looks like the 737 is the short haul, 100 to 300 PAX and the 777 is the
long haul, widebody the 787 is the medium sized (200 to 400) that can haul
the same distance as
the 747.

Is this correct?