Aspen at night

All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized
at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). And
yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as Aspen at night.
How do they do it?

rg

Ron Garret wrote:

All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized
at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back).
snip

Actually, that night prohibition was in effect when the Gulfstream III
crashed. I recall reading that this was one of the pressures the two
pilots were under to land there, as they were late leaving the LA area.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X00738&key=1

--
Peter

Ron Garret wrote:

All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized
at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). And
yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as Aspen at night.
How do they do it?

rg
Special, carrier-specific authorizations based on specialized,
FAA-approved training and airport familiarity requirements.

"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...
All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized
at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). And
yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as Aspen at night.
How do they do it?

rg

Maybe they only fly in VMC?

Private non-published approach.



"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...
| All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure
not authorized
| at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years
back). And
| yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as
Aspen at night.
| How do they do it?
|
| rg

In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08,
"Jim Macklin" wrote:

Private non-published approach.

Cool. How do I get me one of those?

rg

Ron Garret wrote:
In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08,
"Jim Macklin" wrote:


Private non-published approach.


Cool. How do I get me one of those?

rg

Form an airline, then meet all the special crew, aircraft, and training
requirements.

Ron Garret wrote:

In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08,
"Jim Macklin" wrote:

Private non-published approach.

Cool. How do I get me one of those?

You look at a sectional of that area and plot a course. Input
appropriate points into your GPS unit flight plan. With each point is
an associated minimum altitude. Flight check in VFR conditions before
use. Verify that you won't kill anyone on the ground if off course.
Don't carry passengers when in IMC conditions flying the approach. Of
course this would be "illegal."

I just read the full narrative of the screwup (accident). I missed
where they went wrong. Since they impacted short of the runway I
would have to assume that they went below MDA too soon. However it
seemed like they were saying they had the airport in sight.

Ron Lee

Spend a lot of money on surveys and FAA flight evaluations
flight testing.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...
| In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08,
| "Jim Macklin"
wrote:
|
| Private non-published approach.
|
| Cool. How do I get me one of those?
|
| rg

You design an approach, have special equipment and training,
have the FAA flight check the approach. You do not just
look at a sectional and make up something.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
| Ron Garret wrote:
|
| In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08,
| "Jim Macklin"
wrote:
|
| Private non-published approach.
|
| Cool. How do I get me one of those?
|
| You look at a sectional of that area and plot a course.
Input
| appropriate points into your GPS unit flight plan. With
each point is
| an associated minimum altitude. Flight check in VFR
conditions before
| use. Verify that you won't kill anyone on the ground if
off course.
| Don't carry passengers when in IMC conditions flying the
approach. Of
| course this would be "illegal."
|
| I just read the full narrative of the screwup (accident).
I missed
| where they went wrong. Since they impacted short of the
runway I
| would have to assume that they went below MDA too soon.
However it
| seemed like they were saying they had the airport in
sight.
|
| Ron Lee