Pop-up IFR from Clearance Delivery

Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?

I'm sure we'll hear from Steve on this, but right off the top of my head I
do not think that CD is a radar position...the person filling that role has
no airspace to control.

Bob Gardner

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?

Bob Gardner wrote:


Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach?

No, CD has no airspace.


So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?


Yeah, he's not the approach controller. It would be the same as calling
ground control for your takeoff clearance.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?


Sure, clearance delivery can give a pop-up IFR clearance. All he has to do
is coordinate with the approach control position having responsibility for
that airspace. But why would you call clearance delivery instead of
approach?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?


Sure, clearance delivery can give a pop-up IFR clearance. All he has to
do
is coordinate with the approach control position having responsibility for
that airspace. But why would you call clearance delivery instead of
approach?



I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But my answer
is: In order to take off into IMC.

At least that's what I've often done to fly currency approaches in IMC at
Temple, which has CD on the field remoted from Gray Approach Control.

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But
my answer is: In order to take off into IMC.


If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up.

Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach?

I've done it before.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But
my answer is: In order to take off into IMC.


If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up.


As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.


Better read it again. He's airborne.

Let me clarify the question. On a VFR training flight, we encountered
unforecasted ceilings of about 1500'. So we landed at a nearby
uncontrolled airport. There is no RCO to FSS. In order to call FSS we
would have to taxi to the ramp, shutdown and find a telephone. But
there was a remote communication outlet to the nearby class C
clearance delivery. So we decided to call them instead. They asked me
to file with FSS or call them (Approach) when airborne. So we departed
VFR and got our clearance. My question is, why could't the clearance
delivery guy give us the same clearance? I realize that the proper
procedure is to file with FSS, but what prevents CD from giving a
pop-up clearance?



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
"John Clonts" wrote in message
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As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.


Better read it again. He's airborne.