WTB: 135 Ticket

I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron

More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
they'd withdraw their application.
Jim

"AML" wrote in message
...
I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron

In article ,
"Jim Burns" wrote:

More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
they'd withdraw their application.
Jim

"AML" wrote in message
...
I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron



That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.

On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML
wrote:

In article ,
"Jim Burns" wrote:

More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
they'd withdraw their application.
Jim

"AML" wrote in message
...
I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron



That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.

Would you not still have all the same issues with having to write the
required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to attach 135 to?

In article ,
Peter Clark wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML
wrote:

In article ,
"Jim Burns" wrote:

More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
they'd withdraw their application.
Jim

"AML" wrote in message
...
I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron



That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.

Would you not still have all the same issues with having to write the
required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to attach 135 to?

We are looking for a plane that already has a 135 ticket on it. Sorry, I
should been a little more specific.

It is not the airplane, it is the owner/operator who is
certificated. Since you don't seem to understand FAR 135,
the FAA will be more careful in reviewing and approving your
application. What is it that you want to do, carry the
general public, transport prisoners, fly cargo?


"AML" wrote in message
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| In article ,
| Peter Clark
wrote:
|
| On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML

| wrote:
|
| In article ,
| "Jim Burns" wrote:
|
| More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO
that recently got their
| 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago.
Even with the boiler
| plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently
working part 135, the
| FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required"
carousel time after time
| and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If
I didn't know better,
| it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them
down to the point that
| they'd withdraw their application.
| Jim
|
| "AML" wrote in message
|
...
| I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am
finding out that going
| through the FAA would take about a year and I don't
have the time to
| wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or
knows someone that is
| thinking about selling it, let me know.
|
| Thanks
| Aaron
|
|
|
| That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does
not want to give
| out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going
to buy one. We
| were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking
into a Seneca III. A
| pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out
in. I don't know
| much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself
with them.
|
| Would you not still have all the same issues with having
to write the
| required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to
attach 135 to?
|
| We are looking for a plane that already has a 135 ticket
on it. Sorry, I
| should been a little more specific.

Sounds like you are going to have a rough time.

The "certificate holder" has the certificate....not the airplane.

Sounds like pie in the sky to me. It is difficult just to get in the front
door of the FSDO these days.

Good luck and I hope you have a lot of time and money!

Karl
ATP, CFI, ex-chief pilot, director of operations.... PT135, ETC
"Curator" N185KG
Top Poster, and proud of it!


"AML" wrote in message
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In article ,
Peter Clark wrote:

On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML
wrote:

In article ,
"Jim Burns" wrote:

More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got
their
135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the
boiler
plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135,
the
FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after
time
and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know
better,
it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point
that
they'd withdraw their application.
Jim

"AML" wrote in message
...
I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron



That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.

Would you not still have all the same issues with having to write the
required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to attach 135 to?

We are looking for a plane that already has a 135 ticket on it. Sorry, I
should been a little more specific.

New owner, new certificate... new airplanes,

Old rule of thumb, if you want to make a small fortune in
aviation, start with a large fortune.



"Peter Clark"
wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML

| wrote:
|
| In article ,
| "Jim Burns" wrote:
|
| More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that
recently got their
| 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago.
Even with the boiler
| plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently
working part 135, the
| FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required"
carousel time after time
| and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I
didn't know better,
| it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them
down to the point that
| they'd withdraw their application.
| Jim
|
| "AML" wrote in message
|
...
| I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding
out that going
| through the FAA would take about a year and I don't
have the time to
| wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows
someone that is
| thinking about selling it, let me know.
|
| Thanks
| Aaron
|
|
|
| That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not
want to give
| out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to
buy one. We
| were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into
a Seneca III. A
| pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in.
I don't know
| much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with
them.
|
| Would you not still have all the same issues with having
to write the
| required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to
attach 135 to?

"AML" wrote in message
...
I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron

Something else to consider is to simply hire a 135 operator. Hooters did it.
I doubt they would have done better if they owned the aircraft.

In addition to what others said, I believe the 135 operation is
certified by the FSDO region they are in. If you buy the 135 operation
and move it you may need to reapply for the certificate. BTW: Our
Sacramento FSDO guy said it shouldn't be too hard to get a 135
certificate. Of course insurance is tough.
-Robert