First TSA, now NASCAR

I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday
the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington
(AWO). From the maps
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits
right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett,
making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in
the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept).

Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose
the same weekend.

OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being
only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners
will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above
TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the
TERPSters are done with it?

Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their
favorite non-towered airport?

-- David Brooks

52F (Northwest Regional) is just inside the 3 mile TFR ring of Texas Motor
Speedway.

As long as you call ahead of time, depart the pattern, and upon return,
obviously head directly for the airport (staying outside the TFR until the
last minute), it's OK.

3-4 major events per year. (was 1 NASCAR, next year will be 2, plus 2 IRL
races, and of course each one has the Busch or Craftsman Trucks the day
before).

"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday
the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington
(AWO). From the maps
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it
sits
right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett,
making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in
the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept).

Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose
the same weekend.

OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there
being
only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners
will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above
TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the
TERPSters are done with it?

Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to
their
favorite non-towered airport?

-- David Brooks

I've got a friend based at Old Bridge in NJ. Same piece of property as an
NHRA drag strip. There is a major national event there once a year.

He won't go near the airport when the race is going on. Too crowded.

NHRA doesn't rate TFRs , but I suspect the same thing will happen in
Marysville. Too many pilots unfamiliar with the airport, parking in front of
hangars, etc.


"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday
the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington
(AWO). From the maps
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it
sits
right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett,
making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in
the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept).

Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose
the same weekend.

OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there
being
only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners
will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above
TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the
TERPSters are done with it?

Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to
their
favorite non-towered airport?

-- David Brooks

Steve Foley wrote:

I've got a friend based at Old Bridge in NJ. Same piece of property as an
NHRA drag strip. There is a major national event there once a year.

He won't go near the airport when the race is going on. Too crowded.

Old Bridge has a perimeter fence. Aircraft owners are given keys to the gate. Most
days, owners park in the lot outside the fence and it's frowned upon to park inside.
On race days, everybody parks inside.

Getting there is an exercise if you don't know the back roads, however. I suspect
he's used to coming in the front way right by the track entrance. He needs to learn
the back way in.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

"David Brooks" writes:

I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday
the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington
(AWO). From the maps
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits
right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett,
making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in
the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept).

Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose
the same weekend.

OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being
only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners
will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above
TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the
TERPSters are done with it?

Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their
favorite non-towered airport?

Hm... Brackett (KPOC) tower closes at 2100 local, and it's across the
street from the Pomona Speed Raceway (plenty of NHRA activity, for
instance). On final for runways 26 R/L you are a few hundred feet
above the raceway.

Also, on departure, you fly over Puddingstone Lake, where they have
dragboat races often.

-jav

I don't know about other sites, but Talledega puts up a temporary tower
on race day, so I am guessing a temporary Class D airspace goes along
with it. Traffic at Talledega completely fills the airport.
It reminds me of a mini-Oshkosh event. Controllers at the approach end
of the runway pushing VFR departures out between the IFR departures
being released by Atlanta Center.
It is fun to fly into the race, park the airplane and walk across the
airport to the track. If you hustle at the end of the race you can get
out before the lines form. It took me three-hours from the time the race
ended until I was wheels up. That included pushing the plane from where
I parked to the parallel taxiway (half-mile?) at the departure end of
the runway (5000 feet).

David Brooks wrote:
I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday
the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington
(AWO). From the maps
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it sits
right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett,
making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in
the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept).

Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose
the same weekend.

OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there being
only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners
will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above
TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the
TERPSters are done with it?

Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to their
favorite non-towered airport?

-- David Brooks

"john smith" wrote in message
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I don't know about other sites, but Talledega puts up a temporary tower on
race day, so I am guessing a temporary Class D airspace goes along with
it.

Probably not. Controlled airspace just isn't established for these
short-term events. Fond du Lac gets a temporary tower each year during the
EAA convention, but there are no airspace changes. Sheboygan got a
temporary tower for the PGA tournament but there were no airspace changes.

One more reason to hate NASCAR (as if another reason was required...)

I never did understand the attraction of driving (much less WATCHING) cars
around an oval. Oh well. Maybe I need a lobotomy.



"Rubbin's racin'" - or something like that.
(from my favorite-est scientologist midget and ex-wife movie, "Days of
Thunder")
I can't believe Duvall did that movie.

"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday
the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington
(AWO). From the maps
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it
sits
right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett,
making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in
the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept).

Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose
the same weekend.

OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there
being
only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners
will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above
TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the
TERPSters are done with it?

Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to
their
favorite non-towered airport?

-- David Brooks

The proposed NASCAR site is 1/2 mile directly south of the main runway at
AWO, right under final approach. I think it's right where Homer Simpson
would put a big stadium.

There are lots of worried folks up there right now. It's a major center for
ultralight flying, and there are plans to make it a major hub for light
sport aircraft, too. Some are questioning whether that will be possible if
the NASCAR site goes in.

A local group has organized to try and fight the NASCAR proposal, their
website is here in case anyone is interested:
http://www.scar-info.net/

The local airport advisory board (who unfortunately appear to have no real
power) has gone on record in opposition to the proposal, but there is a lot
of momentum behind it.

I'd hate to see it wreck this great airport.


--
David Herman
N6170T 1965 Cessna 150E
Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA
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"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
I haven't heard a peep from anyone in aviation about this, but now it
appears the Northwest can't survive without a NASCAR track, and yesterday
the finalist was announced. Marysville, just a hair south of Arlington
(AWO). From the maps
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2002045069.jpg), it
sits
right under the straight-in for 34. It has the nearest IAPs to Everett,
making it a popular location for checkrides (it seems like you're still in
the PAE pattern when you get vectored to the intercept).

Yes, the EAA Arlington. What fun it will be when the EAA and NASCAR choose
the same weekend.

OK, so if you're thinking about the stadium TFR, they talk about there
being
only three meets per year. But once this big facility is built, the owners
will probably find other ways to use it. The LOC 34 MDA is 469 feet above
TDZE - would anyone like to hazard a guess about what it would be when the
TERPSters are done with it?

Does anyone else have experience with a NASCAR track snuggled close to
their
favorite non-towered airport?

-- David Brooks

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"john smith" wrote in message
...

I don't know about other sites, but Talledega puts up a temporary tower
on race day, so I am guessing a temporary Class D airspace goes along
with it.

Probably not. Controlled airspace just isn't established for these
short-term events. Fond du Lac gets a temporary tower each year during
the EAA convention, but there are no airspace changes. Sheboygan got a
temporary tower for the PGA tournament but there were no airspace changes.

Phoenix Regional (A39) is getting a temporary tower for the Copperstate Fly
In next weekend and they have published arrival and departure
procedures...but I don't believe that the airspace will change designations.
I'll have to dig into it further.

Anyone here coming to Copperstate?

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD