Another SR22

What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down Arizona yesterday.

Gravity.


"Terry" wrote in message
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| What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down
Arizona yesterday.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:17:49 -0700, Terry wrote
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What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down Arizona yesterday.


It looks like that slick wing doesn't like ice:
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...a/01_121LD.txt

Terry wrote:
What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down Arizona yesterday.

I doubt there's any more of them crashing than Pipers or Cessnas. They
do seem to make more of a stir when they do because of the national
attention focused on them. Now that Cirrus has overtaken Cessna in
production the fleet is getting larger fairly quickly.

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:17:49 -0700, Terry wrote
in :

What's with the SR22 crashes? Another one went down Arizona yesterday.


It looks like that slick wing doesn't like ice:
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...a/01_121LD.txt

Sounds like pilot stupidity. Wasn't he aware that the parachute
system offers to save them from doing other stupid things like flying
into icing conditions?

The parachute system absolves the pilot of being responsible and
making sound judgments about when to fly or not fly BUT they must know
when to activate the parachute.

Ron Lee

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:37:27 GMT, (Ron Lee)
wrote in :

Sounds like pilot stupidity.

You sound like an expert in the subject. :-)

I doubt there's any more of them crashing than Pipers or Cessnas.

You're probably right. But the point is, this is not supposed to
happen to Cirrus airplanes! Because as soon as a pilot gets into
trouble he has the option to pull the chute and save the day. So, if
Cirrus and Cessnas have the same accident rates, it would be proof that
the parachute "rescue" system basically does not work or in other words
does not provide extra safety in real terms.
It's like the section of the road where a pedestrian had been killed
jaywalking. A crossing with lights markings etc. was instituted and
the number of accidents rose immediately. That's because people
crossing were not careful anymore as they were when jaywalking.

Gerd

Gwengler,

You're probably right. But the point is, this is not supposed to
happen to Cirrus airplanes!

Says who?

Because as soon as a pilot gets into
trouble he has the option to pull the chute and save the day. So, if
Cirrus and Cessnas have the same accident rates, it would be proof that
the parachute "rescue" system basically does not work or in other words
does not provide extra safety in real terms.

Maybe it is proof pilots don't work.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

gwengler wrote:
I doubt there's any more of them crashing than Pipers or Cessnas.

You're probably right. But the point is, this is not supposed to
happen to Cirrus airplanes! Because as soon as a pilot gets into
trouble he has the option to pull the chute and save the day. So, if
Cirrus and Cessnas have the same accident rates, it would be proof that
the parachute "rescue" system basically does not work or in other words
does not provide extra safety in real terms.

Agreed. The responsibility always falls on the pilot to not fly into
known icing conditions (in a non-icing equipped acft), but the BRS
system should be an adequate back-up in case of that decision making
process breaking down. I don't know if measuring Cirrus and Cessna
accidents makes for a valid comparison if many of the Cirrus accidents
don't involve BRS deployment. It only works when you pull the handle...

Kingfish schrieb:

Agreed. The responsibility always falls on the pilot to not fly into
known icing conditions (in a non-icing equipped acft), but the BRS
system should be an adequate back-up in case of that decision making
process breaking down.

And this is exactly the dangerous mindset. When affordable handheld GPS
units became available, I've read quite a few accident reports where VFR
pilots took off in marginal conditions and navigated GPS based "ad hoc
IFR" into terrain. I expect to read a couple of accident reports in the
near future where pilots fly their Cirri into hostile conditions for
which the plane wasn't built, thinking they could rely on that chute as
an "adequate backup". Hardly a design flaw.

Stefan