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Departure procedures notice
FAASafety.gov - Local Air Safety Information "Fort Worth
Meacham (FTW) Departure Procedures" http://www.faasafety.gov/ This applies anywhere Fort Worth Meacham (FTW) Departure Procedures Notice Number: NOTC0768 There have been several instances of aircraft deviating from their ATC clearance when departing Fort Worth Meacham airport (FTW) over the last few months. The pilots involved have generally been experienced instrument pilots flying technically advanced aircraft. In these instances, all of the aircraft have been cleared to fly runway heading for radar vectors to a published departure procedure in their clearance from departure control. Each of the aircraft has made an inappropriate turn after takeoff either to join the course for the departure they were assigned or in following a procedure that is printed on the chart. When ATC issues a clearance to fly a heading for vectors to a departure, the vectors will supersede any other navigation related instructions printed on the chart. You are not authorized to fly the departure until ATC either issues a heading to join a published course or clears you direct to a fix on your routes and issues instructions to "resume own navigation." Pilots are reminded to be vigilant in following ATC issued clearances and urged to ask to have the clearance clarified if the instructions are not fully understood. FAASafety.gov https://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/ http://www.faasafety.gov/about/ |
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Departure procedures notice
Air carrier training must really be in the tank these days.
Jim Macklin wrote: FAASafety.gov - Local Air Safety Information "Fort Worth Meacham (FTW) Departure Procedures" http://www.faasafety.gov/ This applies anywhere Fort Worth Meacham (FTW) Departure Procedures Notice Number: NOTC0768 There have been several instances of aircraft deviating from their ATC clearance when departing Fort Worth Meacham airport (FTW) over the last few months. The pilots involved have generally been experienced instrument pilots flying technically advanced aircraft. In these instances, all of the aircraft have been cleared to fly runway heading for radar vectors to a published departure procedure in their clearance from departure control. Each of the aircraft has made an inappropriate turn after takeoff either to join the course for the departure they were assigned or in following a procedure that is printed on the chart. When ATC issues a clearance to fly a heading for vectors to a departure, the vectors will supersede any other navigation related instructions printed on the chart. You are not authorized to fly the departure until ATC either issues a heading to join a published course or clears you direct to a fix on your routes and issues instructions to "resume own navigation." Pilots are reminded to be vigilant in following ATC issued clearances and urged to ask to have the clearance clarified if the instructions are not fully understood. FAASafety.gov https://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/ http://www.faasafety.gov/about/ |
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Departure procedures notice
"Sam Spade" wrote in message ... Air carrier training must really be in the tank these days. Not to many air carriers flying off Meacham Allen |
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Allen wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message ... Air carrier training must really be in the tank these days. Not to many air carriers flying off Meacham Allen I had a brain fade I was thinking of DFW with the same issues. Training seems to suck for all segments of the IFR flying pilots these days. |
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Departure procedures notice
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:40:27 -0800, Jim Macklin wrote
(in article ): FAASafety.gov - Local Air Safety Information "Fort Worth Meacham (FTW) Departure Procedures" http://www.faasafety.gov/ This applies anywhere Fort Worth Meacham (FTW) Departure Procedures Notice Number: NOTC0768 There have been several instances of aircraft deviating from their ATC clearance when departing Fort Worth Meacham airport (FTW) over the last few months. The pilots involved have generally been experienced instrument pilots flying technically advanced aircraft. In these instances, all of the aircraft have been cleared to fly runway heading for radar vectors to a published departure procedure in their clearance from departure control. Each of the aircraft has made an inappropriate turn after takeoff either to join the course for the departure they were assigned or in following a procedure that is printed on the chart. They had a rash of that at Riverside, CA a few years ago. (For all I know, it is still a problem there.) -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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Departure procedures notice
-----Original Message----- From: Sam Spade ] Posted At: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:35 PM Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr Conversation: Departure procedures notice Subject: Departure procedures notice Allen wrote: "Sam Spade" wrote in message ... Air carrier training must really be in the tank these days. Not to many air carriers flying off Meacham Allen I had a brain fade I was thinking of DFW with the same issues. Training seems to suck for all segments of the IFR flying pilots these days. Could it be that attention to detail isn't being pressed as much today? It was not a sin to bust a student on a phase check 30 years ago, but today it seems like "everyone passes", just like some of our public education systems. Or could it be that we are seeing the results of students not focusing on the task at hand and trying to do too many things at once during their training? |
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Jim Carter wrote:
Training seems to suck for all segments of the IFR flying pilots these days. Could it be that attention to detail isn't being pressed as much today? It was not a sin to bust a student on a phase check 30 years ago, but today it seems like "everyone passes", just like some of our public education systems. Or could it be that we are seeing the results of students not focusing on the task at hand and trying to do too many things at once during their training? Perhaps both of the above? |
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Departure procedures notice
I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the
IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current. There are too many CFII's out there not even able to accept an IFR clearance giving primary IFR training. A lot of them may (or may not) have tons of previous IFR experience. But really, it is real world IFR flying where you pick up the ATC experience. And it is experience with ATC that is the bottleneck with IFR flight. If you listen to hangar talk from recent IFR flights, the pilots are always talking about how ATC did this and ATC did that. |
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Doug wrote:
I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current. There are too many CFII's out there not even able to accept an IFR clearance giving primary IFR training. A lot of them may (or may not) have tons of previous IFR experience. But really, it is real world IFR flying where you pick up the ATC experience. And it is experience with ATC that is the bottleneck with IFR flight. If you listen to hangar talk from recent IFR flights, the pilots are always talking about how ATC did this and ATC did that. The FAA doesn't really care about the quality of light aircraft instruction. The organization is in over its head trying to keep an eye on commercial operators and also manage an unwieldy airspace system. |
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Doug wrote
I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current. Well....first off Doug, it's not an "IFR" rating, just an "Instrument Rating", often broken down into categories such as "Instrument-Airplane Rating". Bob Moore Flight Instructor, Instrument Airplane |
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