A logging question

Hi all. I've been reading this group for a while, but this is my first
post here.

I have a US PPL, and I travel to Montreal frequently on business. I went
over to the Montreal Flying Club at St. Hubert last week to see about
flying in Canada. Evidently, under reciprocal agreements, I can easily
get a Canadian license. Basically all I need are a Canadian medical and
a short written test.

While I was there, I made a short flight up the St. Lawrence with one of
their instructors. I did all the flying, but I have logged it as dual,
but of course the tail number is a "C-....". The question is, what are
the rules regarding the time logged under a foreign license? Can it be
applied for requirements for advanced ratings on the US side? Or does
time in a "C-...." only apply for Canadian ratings?

Also, if I were to get a Canadian license, then a seaplane rating on it,
for example, would the seaplane rating apply for my US license? Can I
get both upgraded at the same time?

By the way, if you are ever in Montreal, I can highly recommend a stop
by the Montreal Flying Club at St. Hubert airport on the south shore.
Very nice folks and very well maintained aircraft. Also a very nice
little airport.

Regards,
Austin

Austin Gosling wrote:
While I was there, I made a short flight up the St. Lawrence with one of
their instructors. I did all the flying, but I have logged it as dual,
but of course the tail number is a "C-....". The question is, what are
the rules regarding the time logged under a foreign license? Can it be
applied for requirements for advanced ratings on the US side? Or does
time in a "C-...." only apply for Canadian ratings?

As I see it, the FARs do not specifically disqualify time on a foreign
license for the purpose of ratings; however, time you list for such must
be made with an "authorized instructor", which means someone that holds
a CFI here in the US. Check the Canadian equivalent rules/regs for any
specific references.

However, I believe FAR 91.75 (c) states that ratings earned on a foreign
license may be placed on your US license (while not specifying if
testing is necessary; only in reference "additional ratings"). So, if
you earn a rating on a Canadian PPL, it should be applicable over here
as well.

--

Was all the time logged in Canadian airspace? If so, it may fall under
that jurisdiction exclusively instead, and apply as time earned on a
foreign (student) license (which can be readily applied in the US).

TheSmokingGnu

TheSmokingGnu wrote:
Austin Gosling wrote:
While I was there, I made a short flight up the St. Lawrence with one
of their instructors. I did all the flying, but I have logged it as
dual, but of course the tail number is a "C-....". The question is,
what are the rules regarding the time logged under a foreign license?
Can it be applied for requirements for advanced ratings on the US
side? Or does time in a "C-...." only apply for Canadian ratings?

As I see it, the FARs do not specifically disqualify time on a foreign
license for the purpose of ratings; however, time you list for such must
be made with an "authorized instructor", which means someone that holds
a CFI here in the US. Check the Canadian equivalent rules/regs for any
specific references.

However, I believe FAR 91.75 (c) states that ratings earned on a foreign
license may be placed on your US license (while not specifying if
testing is necessary; only in reference "additional ratings"). So, if
you earn a rating on a Canadian PPL, it should be applicable over here
as well.

--

Was all the time logged in Canadian airspace? If so, it may fall under
that jurisdiction exclusively instead, and apply as time earned on a
foreign (student) license (which can be readily applied in the US).

TheSmokingGnu

Thanks for the info and the reference to the FAR which I should have
looked up myself!.

It was all in Canadian airspace. I guess I should have said "... a short
flight _down_ the St. Lawrence ..."

Austin Gosling wrote:


I have a US PPL, and I travel to Montreal frequently
....

While I was there, I made a short flight up the St. Lawrence with one of
their instructors. I did all the flying, but I have logged it as dual,
but of course the tail number is a "C-....". The question is, what are
the rules regarding the time logged under a foreign license? Can it be
applied for requirements for advanced ratings on the US side? Or does
time in a "C-...." only apply for Canadian ratings?

I have had the problem of dealing with different rules, and the solution
I came up with was initially to maintain two logbooks -- but it is a pain
in the neck -- or have a large enough book so that you can keep
additional info in the comments;

In the case you describe, you have a US PPL, you were flying a
whatever registered aircraft, I imagine a single engine land for which
you are rated on your US certificate, and were (I presume) the
sole manipulator of the controls: as far as the FAA is concerned, you
log this flight as PIC, whether there was an instructor on board or
not and regardless of the registration of the aircraft; I dunno about
the Canadians, but the British have different rules and the same
flight would be logged differently on my British logbook (which I
no longer bother to maintain);

--Sylvain

On Mar 16, 2:27 am, Austin Gosling wrote:
Hi all. I've been reading this group for a while, but this is my first
post here.

I have a US PPL, and I travel to Montreal frequently on business. I went
over to the Montreal Flying Club at St. Hubert last week to see about
flying in Canada. Evidently, under reciprocal agreements, I can easily
get a Canadian license. Basically all I need are a Canadian medical and
a short written test.

While I was there, I made a short flight up the St. Lawrence with one of
their instructors. I did all the flying, but I have logged it as dual,
but of course the tail number is a "C-....". The question is, what are
the rules regarding the time logged under a foreign license? Can it be
applied for requirements for advanced ratings on the US side? Or does
time in a "C-...." only apply for Canadian ratings?

Also, if I were to get a Canadian license, then a seaplane rating on it,
for example, would the seaplane rating apply for my US license? Can I
get both upgraded at the same time?

By the way, if you are ever in Montreal, I can highly recommend a stop
by the Montreal Flying Club at St. Hubert airport on the south shore.
Very nice folks and very well maintained aircraft. Also a very nice
little airport.

Regards,
Austin

Austin
Different kind of situation perhaps because I needed to get the Canada
Commercial pilot rating some 10 years ago. I had to take a Canada
medical, pass the Commercial pilot written (which was not nearly as
easy as the tests in the USA) and do some required dual instruction
prior to the check ride. The flying part was relatively easy.
BTW, I had an ATP and probably 16,000 hours when I did all this. As
always, Transport Canada is the final answer when it comes to their
regs and requirements. I believe it easier to get the FAA certificates
than any place else in the world. Over the past 50 years I've gotten
licensed in 15 countries for work purposes. Some were easy reciprocal,
nearly all required a written on their air law and an acceptable
airmans physical. Few required a flight check based on log book
entries and currancy.
Cheers
OS&B

than any place else in the world. Over the past 50 years I've gotten
licensed in 15 countries for work purposes. Some were easy reciprocal,
nearly all required a written on their air law and an acceptable

So which countries did you find to be the most GA friendly after the
USA and Canada?

On Mar 16, 7:16 am, wrote:
than any place else in the world. Over the past 50 years I've gotten
licensed in 15 countries for work purposes. Some were easy reciprocal,
nearly all required a written on their air law and an acceptable

So which countries did you find to be the most GA friendly after the
USA and Canada?

I think South Africa, Swaziland, and Botswana were great but that was
25 years ago! I have no idea how they are now. Mozambique was a little
tougher because of the language problem on the air law but my Spanish
got me through. Part of getting licensed in some of those countries
was as much a matter of knowing the right people and asking the right
questions. The office clerk is bound by strict office procedures while
the head of DCA or CAA (typical equivilent of our FAA) can make
exceptions on the spot.
Now with the rapidly changing political climates its nearly impossible
to make any accurate predictions.
OS&B

Austin Gosling wrote:
Thanks for the info and the reference to the FAR which I should have
looked up myself!.

Argh, should be 61.75, not part 91.

The dangers of citing aviation law at 1 in the morning!

TheSmokingGnu

Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
On Mar 16, 2:27 am, Austin Gosling wrote:
Hi all. I've been reading this group for a while, but this is my first
post here.

I have a US PPL, and I travel to Montreal frequently on business. I went
over to the Montreal Flying Club at St. Hubert last week to see about
flying in Canada. Evidently, under reciprocal agreements, I can easily
get a Canadian license. Basically all I need are a Canadian medical and
a short written test.

While I was there, I made a short flight up the St. Lawrence with one of
their instructors. I did all the flying, but I have logged it as dual,
but of course the tail number is a "C-....". The question is, what are
the rules regarding the time logged under a foreign license? Can it be
applied for requirements for advanced ratings on the US side? Or does
time in a "C-...." only apply for Canadian ratings?

Also, if I were to get a Canadian license, then a seaplane rating on it,
for example, would the seaplane rating apply for my US license? Can I
get both upgraded at the same time?

By the way, if you are ever in Montreal, I can highly recommend a stop
by the Montreal Flying Club at St. Hubert airport on the south shore.
Very nice folks and very well maintained aircraft. Also a very nice
little airport.

Regards,
Austin

Austin
Different kind of situation perhaps because I needed to get the Canada
Commercial pilot rating some 10 years ago. I had to take a Canada
medical, pass the Commercial pilot written (which was not nearly as
easy as the tests in the USA) and do some required dual instruction
prior to the check ride. The flying part was relatively easy.
BTW, I had an ATP and probably 16,000 hours when I did all this. As
always, Transport Canada is the final answer when it comes to their
regs and requirements. I believe it easier to get the FAA certificates
than any place else in the world. Over the past 50 years I've gotten
licensed in 15 countries for work purposes. Some were easy reciprocal,
nearly all required a written on their air law and an acceptable
airmans physical. Few required a flight check based on log book
entries and currancy.
Cheers
OS&B

I'm not doing anything commercial. I am currently ASEL, and plan to go
for complex, instrument and seaplane, which should cover what I want to
do. I'll probably do at least the instrument in the US. The seaplane, of
course in Canada (looks like more water landing opportunities than land
up north of Montreal).

Also, the folks at the Montreal flying club said they could set
everything up for me with the authorities. It appears to be something
they are used to doing all the time. They did say they would need to
take my logbook (a copy) to the authorities to check certain specific
requirements, mostly cross country and sim instrument time.

By the way, I am living in Germany, so I'm about to start the same
process here. A while back (20 yrs), I had heard that it was extremely
difficult to convert a US PPL to a German one, because a lot of German
students were learning in the US at much lower cost, and the German
schools were annoyed by that. We'll see how it goes now. I got the JAR
medical at the same time as the US class 3 to start the process.

Thanks for the information.

Sylvain wrote:
Austin Gosling wrote:


I have a US PPL, and I travel to Montreal frequently
...
While I was there, I made a short flight up the St. Lawrence with one of
their instructors. I did all the flying, but I have logged it as dual,
but of course the tail number is a "C-....". The question is, what are
the rules regarding the time logged under a foreign license? Can it be
applied for requirements for advanced ratings on the US side? Or does
time in a "C-...." only apply for Canadian ratings?

I have had the problem of dealing with different rules, and the solution
I came up with was initially to maintain two logbooks -- but it is a pain
in the neck -- or have a large enough book so that you can keep
additional info in the comments;

In the case you describe, you have a US PPL, you were flying a
whatever registered aircraft, I imagine a single engine land for which
you are rated on your US certificate, and were (I presume) the
sole manipulator of the controls: as far as the FAA is concerned, you
log this flight as PIC, whether there was an instructor on board or
not and regardless of the registration of the aircraft; I dunno about
the Canadians, but the British have different rules and the same
flight would be logged differently on my British logbook (which I
no longer bother to maintain);

--Sylvain

Ugh! Two log books. I can imagine that got old quickly. I have an
interesting entry from a check out I did in Houston prior to renting
their aircraft. The instructor logged it in my book while I was in the
bathroom after the flight. He logged it as both dual and PIC. It struck
me as odd, but he cited the same thing you say above about being the
sole manipulator of the controls.

I have just started flying again after 20 years away from it (same old
story: wife, kids, house, etc.), and some things seem different now. It
is like riding a bicycle, however. You don't forget the basics.