New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt..._Test_999.html

On May 14, 10:30*pm, wrote:
See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...

I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.

I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
aircraft and abandonded the program.

On May 14, 11:30 pm, wrote:
See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...

To see what the comics version of a Fishhawk (aka an Osprey) is like

http://www.comicspage.com/shoe/shoe_characters.html

Airyx wrote:
On May 14, 10:30 pm, wrote:
See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...

I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.

I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
aircraft and abandonded the program.

I think this concept is being pushed because they don't want the
twin-engined P-8 flying around at typical traditional torpedo launch
altitudes.


--
Philip Morten

Airyx wrote:

:On May 14, 10:30*pm, wrote:
: See:
:
: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...
:

What is the point of posting a quote of a link when you don't post the
whole thing?

:
:I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
:that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.
:

Don't suppose.

--
You have never lived until you have almost died.
Life has a special meaning that the protected
will never know.

Philip Morten wrote:

:Airyx wrote:
: On May 14, 10:30 pm, wrote:
: See:
:
: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...
:
: I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
: that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.
:
: I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
: provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
: aircraft and abandonded the program.
:
:I think this concept is being pushed because they don't want the
:twin-engined P-8 flying around at typical traditional torpedo launch
:altitudes.
:

The concept is being 'pushed' because flying down to a couple hundred
feet off the water at dead slow speeds for a torpedo launch and then
clawing your way back up to a reasonable search altitude is hard for
the P-3, wears out the airframe, and makes it harder for them to do
their job. The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

Are you sure ?

On Sat, 17 May 2008 15:33:44 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

The concept is being 'pushed' because flying down to a couple hundred
feet off the water at dead slow speeds for a torpedo launch and then
clawing your way back up to a reasonable search altitude is hard for
the P-3, wears out the airframe, and makes it harder for them to do
their job.

I dunno. I never found the P-3 had to "claw" it's way back to
altitude. It climbed pretty good, as a matter of fact! :-)

The descent and climb take time, fuel, and do increase airframe and
engine stress to a degree, but not so's you'd notice under most
circumstances. Smooth piloting does a lot to keep stresses down.

Going down low does increase the risk of mishap and may expose the
aircraft to AAW weapons on a sub or other surface vessels. Being able
to conduct "stand off" attacks makes sense.

In earlier days sensor limitations meant "low" attacks because A
primary system to developing attack criteria was the MAD. Limitations
in accoustic sensor accuracy and weapon aquisition profile required a
pretty precise weapon placement. As accoustics and weapons have
gotten better maybe MAD is less important.

The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

Don't know much about this bird, yet.